Any ideas on what Livia is going to do with the Scepter of Orr?

[Casting]

I don't know if this is discussed but it has caught my interest ever since the first trailer.

I assume she is going to use the Scepter of Orr to regain control in Kryta since she is a Shining Blade. But in her description it said both the Shining Blade and the White Mantle tore her country apart.

If this has been discussed before please post the link to the thread, i can't find it

Thank you!

[Mister_Smiley]

Well we don't really know if she took the Scepter, it shows her finding it, but we never see here take it, so we do not know if she has it or not.

If she has it though, who knows what it would do to her, but since GW2 takes place 250 years later, i expect her to be dead and the Scepter is most likely lost again if she had it, of may have even been destroyed.

[Winterclaw]

Maybe she became another lich and we'll need to kill her. She was also a necro so maybe she tried to raise Orr to help the Shining Blade and released Zaithan accidentally.

[Arduin]

It seemed to me as if Livia was hesitating in picking up the scepter. On the other hand, why would Anet show us that tiny bit of cinematic and not use it in GW2?

[Abbadon]

Originally Posted by Winterclaw

Maybe she became another lich and we'll need to kill her. She was also a necro so maybe she tried to raise Orr to help the Shining Blade and released Zaithan accidentally.

The scepter doesn't make one a lich, the Lost Scrolls are presumed to have transformed Khilbron into the lich.

The Lost Scrolls were forbidden texts locked in a vault deep within the catacombs beneath the city of Arah. Their exact contents and origins are unknown. In the quest Faded Memory, it is revealed that Vizier Khilbron, corrupted by Abaddon, used the chaos caused by the imminent Charr invasion to read from the scrolls. The magic released by the scrolls cause the Cataclysm and, presumably, Khilbron's transformation into a Lich.

The Scepter of Orr controls forces from beyond the known reality, such as titan, and makes this outer world obey the bearer's will; this staff controls the mind world. It alters a player's energy while being wielded or by being near.

The staff of the Mists however can perhaps lengthen a person's life.

The Staff of the Mists is a relic which carries great magic and is said to "allow the wielder to bend the fabric of reality".
The Staff of the Mists controls forces of the known reality, and can therefore alter life itself depending on the controller's will; this staff controls the physical world. It alters a player's life while being wielded or by being near.

[Thalador Doomspeaker]

And it's still possible that it was Zhaitan's magic that made the Vizier a Lich. After all, he was in the catacombs below Arah - Zhaitan was hibernating somewhere there, or maybe a little bit deeper - so it's entirely possible that too much of the Elder Dragon's "reanimating" magic seeped into his corpse, thus giving him the powers and state in undeath he possessed.

[Konig Des Todes]

Livia won't be a lich, sorry fellas who want to wack off to a hot undead chick (which I will never understand the reasoning for).

As for what she does, we don't know. And this has been discussed many times before. There's no answer and the last time it just led into a debate on whether or not she'll return as a "sexy undead lich lord."

I hope this doesn't follow that course... I'll leave this thread open for now.

Edit:
If Livia did take the Scepter of Orr, then she will probably just be mentioned in a book, manual/other out-of-game lore article, and/or in-game quests. She most likely won't be alive - though she may return as the GW2 Murakai, Lady of the Night - Livia, Lady of the Night (for those who know what a Lady of the Night is referencing, you get the joke).

Also, from what I've noticed, everyone seems to think that the Scepter of Orr is in some area in a jungle/swamp area. But I think it is in Arah. Why? Because Livia says she's going to go to Arah, and the cinematic's events take place over a course of many years (after all, Primordus wakes up 50 years after EN). So if Livia, didn't take it (which what I'm saying could be why they showed that clip), then it is dead smack in Zhaitan's territory. So, who thinks he'll be wielding a powerful toothpick?

[Lord Bazaah]

That's very true, Thal.

[Winterclaw]

I was thinking more creepy/evil undead lich.

[Casting]

Thanks for the replies so far, and sorry Konig for opening another Lady of the Night thread ^^ i was just very curious.. couldn't it have been the counterpart of the scepter of orr? I don't know the name but i read something about there being another sort of scepter of orr thing.. and indeed it is highly unlikely, my view on it could be that she used it to control some undead or so to help conquer kryta and make it at peace.. As the Lich could control undead with the Scepter. She might have used it in the war against the White Mantle.. but that's just guessing..

[Mister_Smiley]

Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

Livia won't be a lich, sorry fellas who want to wack off to a hot undead chick (which I will never understand the reasoning for).

As for what she does, we don't know. And this has been discussed many times before. There's no answer and the last time it just led into a debate on whether or not she'll return as a "sexy undead lich lord."

I hope this doesn't follow that course... I'll leave this thread open for now.

Edit:
If Livia did take the Scepter of Orr, then she will probably just be mentioned in a book, manual/other out-of-game lore article, and/or in-game quests. She most likely won't be alive - though she may return as the GW2 Murakai, Lady of the Night - Livia, Lady of the Night (for those who know what a Lady of the Night is referencing, you get the joke).

Also, from what I've noticed, everyone seems to think that the Scepter of Orr is in some area in a jungle/swamp area. But I think it is in Arah. Why? Because Livia says she's going to go to Arah, and the cinematic's events take place over a course of many years (after all, Primordus wakes up 50 years after EN). So if Livia, didn't take it (which what I'm saying could be why they showed that clip), then it is dead smack in Zhaitan's territory. So, who thinks he'll be wielding a powerful toothpick?

eh forget Liva, Hayda is hotter....

I don't think she will return, i think she is six feet under, BUT i will say this, its possible that she returned to Orr and was killed, thus possible returning as on of Zhaitan's minions.

Nice Joke Konig

Casting:

Also Staff of the Mists was possible the sister of the Scepter of Orr, But the Staff of the Mists was destroyed, see Nightfall for that.

I think that Zhaitan won't have the Scepter of the Orr, But i think that they will somehow make us find it once again because it has some power to stop Zhaitan, after all it does controls forces from beyond the known reality, which could be possible be what Zhaitan and the other Dragons are.

[Konig Des Todes]

Originally Posted by Casting

couldn't it have been the counterpart of the scepter of orr? I don't know the name but i read something about there being another sort of scepter of orr thing, and indeed it is highly unlikely, my view on it could be that she used it to control some undead or so to help conquer kryta and make it at peace.. As the Lich could control undead with the Scepter. She might have used it in the war against the White Mantle.. but that's just guessing..

The counterpart, or "sister staff" would be the Staff of the Mists, which was brought up before, and controls the physical while the Scepter of Orr controls the spiritual. Note: The Staff of the Mists is destroyed.

Also note: Nothing really states that the Scepter of Orr controls undead or titans because Khilbron had control of the undead already and he was a follower of Abaddon (though it seems that he didn't know if the titans would follow him, but it doesn't mean they did because of the Scepter).

However, it is very likely that the Scepter of Orr controls spirits, as Khilbron somehow controls the souls of enemies during the Thunderhead Keep cinematics. As such, the Scepter of Orr might have a role to play in a plot to "fix" the situation of Ascalon City.

[Sha Noran]

There's not really any suggestion of this, let alone proof, but I've had this nagging suspicion all along that the current queen of Kryta is actually either Livia herself or a descendant. I surmise that the Scepter played some part in her rise to power. Purely speculation, but it's... so very fitting.

[Tzu Qui Jinn]

I think she is wall mounting it over a fireplace, enjoying a hot cup of tea thinking to herself "perhaps I should have made coffee instead".

[Ravious]

Originally Posted by Sha Noran

There's not really any suggestion of this, let alone proof, but I've had this nagging suspicion all along that the current queen of Kryta is actually either Livia herself or a descendant. I surmise that the Scepter played some part in her rise to power. Purely speculation, but it's... so very fitting.

I would seriously doubt that unless she was automagically part of the royal line. Didn't we save the Krytan royal line?

Clearly she or her actions will have some role in shaping the world up to current GW2 times, and she is the best candidate (except for the dwarves) to be active in GW1 and GW2.

I know Linsey has been working on "lore," and honestly Livia's unfinished stoy might be one of the best for Linsey to crack open and add to GW1.

[pumpkin pie]

Somehow, I think Livia is related to Queen Jenna

[Konig Des Todes]

That pure-guess speculation that Livia is or is related to Queen Jenna came from a misconception of the Gunner concept art of Pumpkin Pie above me thinking that was Queen Jenna and saying that it looks like Livia. Which is a speculation based on incorrect information (the Gunner concept art isn't anyone in specific, it's just a concept art of a generic gun-wielder).

Jenna is a descendant of Salma and of King Doric.

[Archaes8]

You know, I've speculated that Livia using the Scepter of Orr could possibly have some how been tied into Zhaitan's awakening. It'd make for an interesting story if it were true, but it's not likely.

[Konig Des Todes]

Due to Zhaitan awakening 150 years after EN, I'd doubt that.

[Mister_Smiley]

Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

Due to Zhaitan awakening 150 years after EN, I'd doubt that.

Yep which is why i beleive that she will be written into the histroy books, but she will have died a normal death...But its possible that some new NPC or what ever may be related to her, who knows.