Any ideas on what Livia is going to do with the Scepter of Orr?

[draxynnic]

Well, if Livia did take it, it's possible that it's now being passed down through the line of Krytan monarchs...or maybe their vizi*cough*advisors. It could be amusing if by the time GW2 rolls around it's being referred to as the Sceptre of Kryta.

[Arghore]

Or it has fallen into the hands of a particular Charr (Gaheron) whom now controlls the Titans with it, and as such is deemed a god ?

[Konig Des Todes]

Both of those are possible, though I'm more inclined to think that it won't deal with the Charr. That seems more like a "human issue" - it has always been around humanity, like the Staff of the Mists, along with demons but meh.

Speaking of demons, wouldn't it be fun to be able to play as a type of demon? Nothing ever said they are all evil *see Razah for instance*.

[Arghore]

Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

Speaking of demons, wouldn't it be fun to be able to play as a type of demon? Nothing ever said they are all evil *see Razah for instance*.

Think this is more something to discuss in the main forum, as it will side track this discussion

[Biz]

Yeah, like they blew their entire polygon budget on giving her a pair of flawless balloons and included her in ending cut scene just to mention her once in the book...

Even if she wont be alive or undead, she will more then likely get at least some mention in the game itself, be it trough quests or art.

[Von Skleeve]

Originally Posted by Mister_Smiley

Well we don't really know if she took the Scepter, it shows her finding it, but we never see here take it, so we do not know if she has it or not.

If she has it though, who knows what it would do to her, but since GW2 takes place 250 years later, i expect her to be dead and the Scepter is most likely lost again if she had it, of may have even been destroyed.

I agree, "shows her finding it, but we never see her take it..." really is good foreshadowing by anet. All we can do is speculate until they reveal more (obviously right?). Since I am a fan of cautious speculation, I feel that there will be more to this Livia/Scepter of Orr thing. I mean, it does make for an interesting lore-story arc concept. The Scepter is a powerful thing and Livia is a passionate character that would be tempted to use it. Also, it doesn't matter if she's alive or not in current GW2 time, but what could matter were her actions.

[Mister_Smiley]

Originally Posted by Von Skleeve

I agree, "shows her finding it, but we never see her take it..." really is good foreshadowing by anet. All we can do is speculate until they reveal more (obviously right?). Since I am a fan of cautious speculation, I feel that there will be more to this Livia/Scepter of Orr thing. I mean, it does make for an interesting lore-story arc concept. The Scepter is a powerful thing and Livia is a passionate character that would be tempted to use it. Also, it doesn't matter if she's alive or not in current GW2 time, but what could matter were her actions.

Yep good foreshadowing by anet, i total agree with you. I think there is also more to it as well, Technicly she should be dead in GW2 because the Scepter can't stop someone from dieing, But it is possible since it can control forces from beyond the known reality and makes this outer world obey the bearer's will its possible that she could have somehow used it to force something from another reality to make her immortal, but really anything is possible. I think that she may have taken it and hide it and where it has been kept has been passed down from her generation to generation. Also she possible gave it her soul to be able to stop the wars in Krytan.

[Mustache Mayhem]

Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

Livia, Lady of the Night (for those who know what a Lady of the Night is referencing, you get the joke)

you don't have to tell me twice.. I think she will have a grave and buried in it with her is the scepter .. she'll be wearing deldrimor armor too

[Winterclaw]

Question, how does Glint play into all of this? I mean Glint was the one who snatched it from the ship in the first place. So she might have known something and lead Livia to it. Maybe since Livia was a part of the shining blade she returned it to the queen of kryta to hold on to so it could be used to protect humans.

[Legion]

Another possibility is that Livia founded the Vigil or the Durmand Priory after obtaining the Scepter of Orr.

[every step you take]

Maybe that scepter will be a bonus for being a previous tyria player from gw1? I sure have always wanted that staff to use in gw on my Rit Hopefully it will be something amazing like no rq attribute but max with halves recharge and stuff or just no attribute but modable.

[Ravious]

Originally Posted by Biz

Yeah, like they blew their entire polygon budget on giving her a pair of flawless balloons and included her in ending cut scene just to mention her once in the book...

I lol'd. 123

[Gmr Leon]

Originally Posted by Winterclaw

Question, how does Glint play into all of this? I mean Glint was the one who snatched it from the ship in the first place. So she might have known something and lead Livia to it. Maybe since Livia was a part of the shining blade she returned it to the queen of kryta to hold on to so it could be used to protect humans.

Glint may not tie into it at all actually. After all, it is still unclear as to whether or not Glint even took the Scepter in the first place.

[draxynnic]

Indeed. The Sceptre could, for instance, have an innate ability to recall itself to a preset location when threatened, as long as it isn't being wielded at the time.

[Sha Noran]

Originally Posted by Biz

Yeah, like they blew their entire polygon budget on giving her a pair of flawless balloons and included her in ending cut scene just to mention her once in the book...

This made me lol also.

I think it's fair to say she'll show up, it's just hard to tell how or why. There's so many theories is this thread that they aren't being discussed much - almost every post is someone's own new personal theory! That's not a bad thing, I'm just pointing it out. It would be a huge surprise if she didn't get mentioned or included at all, considering the sheer quantity of reasonable speculation.

I wanted to point out that even though she may not be an undead or a lich by the time of GW2, she could have magically kept herself alive with the scepter also. It's an artifact of tremendous power. If she is still alive, she probably changed her name and identity to avoid becoming the brunt of the "SHE'S A WITCH!" scene from Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

[BaconSoda]

An artifact with a power of this magnitude couldn't go unnoticed by the Order of Whispers if it was used in a revolution, could it? Somehow, I think the Scepter of Orr will find it's way nearer to the area it was named after than we expect.

It would be a good connection as to how the Order of Whispers moved into Tyria. I'm sure that it's either somewhere in the Durmand Priory, or in the field opening a small path between Tyria and Elona. All too convenient that the Scepter can control both the minions of Palawa Joko (sans the Mordant Crescent) and Zaihtan, it is.

EDIT: Of course, this either puts Livia in the Order of Whispers, or some people make fine thieves (which isn't exactly unexpected).

[Konig Des Todes]

Just to note (once more): There's no real proof that the Scepter of Orr controls the undead - Khilbron says this just to hide the fact that he is the Lich and has already had control of the undead.

[pumpkin pie]

Originally Posted by Arghore

Or it has fallen into the hands of a particular Charr (Gaheron) whom now controlls the Titans with it, and as such is deemed a god ?

The Scepter of Orr does have the ability to control the Titans. But, the Charr didn't need to control the titans, because 1) titas are like god for worshipping, and 2) they don't need to summon/control them, because they discover them in Hrangmer

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The volcano Hrangmer, translated into the human language as "Jaws of Oblivion," is the site where the Burnt Warban of the Charr's Flame Legion discovered their gods 200 years before the Searing. Since the discovery of the Charr's gods, Hrangmer has become the Flame Legion's capital.

hahaha, OMG OMG!!!

Livia became Queen of the Charr, OMG SHE IS GAHERON!! , since she has the ability (the scepter) to control the titans, hence would be seen by the Charr as "god/leader" to the Flame Legion, if she is indeed able to control the titans. .... with the scepter ....


She could also be using the Secptor of Orr to retrieve/recreate/recover the scepter's twin: The Staff of the Mist.


At the end of EotN, Livia has said that she is to go to Arah

Epilogue:

"You survived. I'm pleased. When I return to Kryta, I shall say that heroes still exist in the world. But first, there is another place I must go... a little city called Arah..."

At that time, the Elder Dragon's has not awoken, and for her to say that she's going to Arah is a little suspicious to me, since Arah remains "sunken" when she made that claim.

so, 1) Arah being the city of God, Livia might be going there for some "god/scepter related business"
2) She is, in fact the person who awoken the elder Dragons with the Scepter weather by intention* or un-intentionally**.
3) She knew how to find the scepter's twin, the Staff of the Mist which has the ability to

The Staff of the Mists controls forces of the known reality, and can therefore alter life itself depending on the controller's will; this staff controls the physical world. It alters a player's life while being wielded or by being near.

[draxynnic]

Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

Just to note (once more): There's no real proof that the Scepter of Orr controls the undead - Khilbron says this just to hide the fact that he is the Lich and has already had control of the undead.

On the other hand, though, it's possible that the Order of Whispers heard the rumour that it could be used to control the undead and investigated just in case.

Heck, it might even prove to be true - just, in the Vizier's case, unnecessary.

[Mister_Smiley]

Its possible that it could be found in GW2 and when we do a ghost of Livia shows up, or maybe even because the keeper of it to protect it.

Also is it possible that the Forgotten are the creators of these weapons and know how to destroy them as well?