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Old Oct 26, 2009, 09:13 AM   #241
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The issue with the Rotscale and Zhaitan connection is two things 1) Rotscale isn't Orrian, it comes from Ascalon 2) Rotscale was made up in the Beta, The Elder Dragons were not even a sparkle in the developer's eyes.*
Er... you shouldn't have come up with that. That whole idea that Rotscale was created by the Stone Summit in Ascalon should be handled as a non-canon event. However, you're right that there wasn't even a thought about the EDs, but who knows? Perhaps they might give a connection between the two dragons.

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Do you see those two ruling other undead? Do you see those two be unkillable like Khilbron and Joko (before people go on Khilbron being killable, in GoM, it is his soul only we fight - and in HP, we have to kill him on top of the bloodstone, so that his soul is ripped from his body)?

Besides a name isn't everything. Is a Charr Bladestorm an actual storm? Is the Bone Dragon really a skeleton as the name implies? No, it's a zombie.
We don't know if the undead in the Great Battle Field was controlled by them. And that's why I say you shouldn't be so certain that all liches are invincible (I think that there's something behind that unique ability).

And name does count to some degree.

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That quote isn't really connected to "a greater evil in the background." If it was just "a greater evil" - which I don't disagree with (I just hate the "this mastermind is behind that mastermind, who was behind that mastermind, who was behind that mastermind" kind of thing - it really gets old eventually). It doesn't always have to be the case.
Sorry, I hadn't written that beside, because I didn't want to change Qui-Gon's quotation.

And no one said that Abaddon's corruption (if it has happened) was deliberate, thus the dragons could not be masterminds, only catalyzers. Perhaps he ventured too close to one of the them and it has changed his mental state drastically.
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Old Oct 26, 2009, 10:05 AM   #242
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Er... you shouldn't have come up with that. That whole idea that Rotscale was created by the Stone Summit in Ascalon should be handled as a non-canon event. However, you're right that there wasn't even a thought about the EDs, but who knows? Perhaps they might give a connection between the two dragons.
Ok, take out the beta lore, what do you have? A powerful undead able to get others under its control. I.e., a dragon form of Murakai, or Huduh, Kareh, Nifling, Mosek, Yamji, Lohgor, Giturh, and Jacado, especially Hareh and Oberan - all of which show the ability to control other undead. Oh wait, none of them are connected to the Elder Dragons, and most of them are really weak - one is even still living! Well, guess that shows something. The connection between, by Jeff's wording, will be the same as Glint and Kuunavang.

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We don't know if the undead in the Great Battle Field was controlled by them. And that's why I say you shouldn't be so certain that all liches are invincible (I think that there's something behind that unique ability).

And name does count to some degree.
Well, if they are liches like Khilbron and Joko (and not like Zoldark, who is called a lich - though I question that), who said they are really dead? We kill The Hunter, yet it isn't dead. Zoldark and the two dragon liches could be the same - assuming their name can be taken for granted.

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And no one said that Abaddon's corruption (if it has happened) was deliberate, thus the dragons could not be masterminds, only catalyzers. Perhaps he ventured too close to one of the them and it has changed his mental state drastically.
You're still assuming that Abaddon was corrupted. And not simply always not in the right state of mind, which could only worsen with a millennium of torment.
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Old Oct 26, 2009, 10:24 AM   #243
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Ok, take out the beta lore, what do you have? A powerful undead able to get others under its control. I.e., a dragon form of Murakai, or Huduh, Kareh, Nifling, Mosek, Yamji, Lohgor, Giturh, and Jacado, especially Hareh and Oberan - all of which show the ability to control other undead. Oh wait, none of them are connected to the Elder Dragons, and most of them are really weak - one is even still living! Well, guess that shows something. The connection between, by Jeff's wording, will be the same as Glint and Kuunavang.
It's so miserable when you try to strike back.

This what we know about Rotscale:

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Rotscale's Army Increasing in Majesty's Rest

The dreaded Rotscale has been seen lately amassing more forces around his tomb located in Majesty's Rest. While the dragon's motives are unclear, many suggest the dragon and his undead army are protecting something. What they may be protecting, however, is unclear—though many have speculations.

Rotscale is not a new presence on the continent of Tyria. Early reports placed him far east, in the great Shiverpeak Mountains, near The Frost Gate. There he is said to have slain many travelers making the trek from Ascalon to Kryta. The beast has since made the western boarder of Kryta its home, adding additional danger to the already treacherous journey from Kryta into the deep Maguuma Jungle.

Many of those brave enough to attempt to slay the beast—and lucky enough to return—claim that Rotscale is indeed protecting great treasures. There are mixed reports, but the general consensus is that the Dragon is protecting a weapon of some sort—potentially one of great value. The possibility of treasure has lead to an increased interest in the beast. This, in turn, has increased the number of corpses one will find near the dragon's roost—albeit, most of these corpses are unnervingly active. Many of those slain are now in the service of their very murderer.

The army surrounding Rotscale is a force to be reckoned with, to say the least, often preventing would-be dragon slayers from getting within sight of their master. Those who do face the undead monstrosity will soon find a new reason to avoid dragons—especially those still standing after the removal of half their torso. Besting the dragon is by no means simple. Were it not for nearby resurrection shrines, more would be left rotting on the ground or forced into an afterlife of undead slavery.

Extreme caution should be used by those who attempt to slay the beast. Even the bravest of soldiers have been frightened into withdrawal upon hearing Rotscale's unnatural shriek. So choose your allies well, for your life could very well rely on them. Most elect to start their trek at the Temple of Ages, so if you wish to join a party of dragon slayers, I would suggest making the journey to the temple.

May Dwayna protect all who face the dreaded Rotscale.
It has some background info. And we don't know where did it come from, it could've easily come from Orr as well...

And don't be so sure about that. Everything is possible...

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Well, if they are liches like Khilbron and Joko (and not like Zoldark, who is called a lich - though I question that), who said they are really dead? We kill The Hunter, yet it isn't dead. Zoldark and the two dragon liches could be the same - assuming their name can be taken for granted.
Interesting observation. Could still be true perhaps. Only issue is their model/skin, but we know that doesn't count much (however, in this case...).

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You're still assuming that Abaddon was corrupted. And not simply always not in the right state of mind, which could only worsen with a millennium of torment.
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(if it has happened)
I did not assume it. You're hallucinating...

And no one said that he was mentally unstable.
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Old Oct 26, 2009, 10:40 AM   #244
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We know that the six gods were in sort of a stable relationship for a long time. Sure, Grenth replaced Dhuum at some point, but they were worshiped as the six. There is no indication of any quarrel between them.

However, right before the exodus, Abaddon changed his behavior by starting to hand out magic. The Margonites prayed to Abaddon before, but it was when he answered their prayers handing out magic that they became the twisted creatures of GW Nightfall.

From there it went downhill rather quickly for Abaddon. Something must have changed him, because the other gods did not try to restore his reputation, they all turned on him in a second and tried to bury the whole story. That is a rather strange behavior. It does not fit the profile of him going mad on his own, because that the other gods could have dealt with. But they did not, they dealt with Abaddon and the corruption he caused as if it was highly contagious and as if the other five gods had no cure, thus being afraid to get infected themselves! Close the lid, run away.

What the five gods did after Abaddon changed his behavior speaks for itself. They tried to seal him up as best they could and ran as far away from Tyria as they could. Even as the seal broke they would not return.
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Old Oct 26, 2009, 10:45 AM   #245
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It's so miserable when you try to strike back.
Yeah, I should have looked at the Scribe, because it helps my point.

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many suggest the dragon and his undead army are protecting something. What they may be protecting, however, is unclear—though many have speculations.
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Rotwing_Recurve_Bow

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Rotscale is not a new presence on the continent of Tyria. Early reports placed him far east, in the great Shiverpeak Mountains, near The Frost Gate. There he is said to have slain many travelers making the trek from Ascalon to Kryta.
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It has some background info. And we don't know where did it come from, it could've easily come from Orr as well...
Want to know the irony? You said he may not come from Ascalon, yet the Scribe says he comes from Ascalon! You just proved yourself wrong!

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Interesting observation. Could still be true perhaps. Only issue is their model/skin, but we know that doesn't count much (however, in this case...).
Where is the issue?

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I did not assume it. You're hallucinating...

And no one said that he was mentally unstable.
"If it has happened" implies that you do believe he was corrupted - but that there is the possibility he was always corrupted. And the insanity is going off of the nature of the Realm of Torment. Also, there are constant references to the secrets and knowledge driving people insane (the word used is actually mad). Besides, how can one who is around torment and insanity and forcing such on others not be insane?
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Old Oct 26, 2009, 11:23 AM   #246
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Want to know the irony? You said he may not come from Ascalon, yet the Scribe says he comes from Ascalon! You just proved yourself wrong!
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Rotscale is not a new presence on the continent of Tyria. Early reports placed him far east, in the great Shiverpeak Mountains, near The Frost Gate. There he is said to have slain many travelers making the trek from Ascalon to Kryta.
Read it again Konig. The Travelers are making the journey from Ascalon to Kryta - not the dragon.

If your interpretation was correct the quote would have read

"There he is said to have slain many travelers while making the trek from Ascalon to Kryta."

This of course makes perfect sense because what is the path Ascalonian's take to get to Kryta? Through the Frost Gate! Where Rotscale was!

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A lot was written between the time I went to bed last night and this morning. Others have defended my hypothesis quite well so I'll just pick a few quotes to make a reply.

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Khilbron - the Undead Lich - wanted the Scepter of Orr because of the Flameseeker Prophecies
No reason to yell and your observation is a bit misguided knowing what we know as cannon, everything else is just speculation. (Speculation does not always mean incorrect)

Khilbron needed the scepter because he needed it's energy boosting, reality altering, power to open the great dimensional plug called the Door of Komalie.

Regardless of the Flame Seeker Prophecies he was going to do what he was going to do. If he could use the flame seeker to his advantage he would. His goal was to open a portal to the Domain of Anguish and therefore a door to Abaddon. He needed the staff to alter reality at that portal plug door because his power alone was not enough.

Now just for FYI, I also subscribe to the theory that his lichdom was an indirect result of releasing Zhaitan's power premature, an unexpected aftereffect that went to his benefit. Since Abaddon was the god of secrets I'm sure Abaddon surmised that this release of power might happen and simply used it to his advantage. Khilbron was only a tool of an insane being of power after all.

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Yeah, I should have looked at the Scribe, because it helps my point.
You mean the bow that Rotting Dragons also drop. I strongly doubt that this crappy item is the item a 20,000 hp Rotwing was so obsessed to travel halfway across Tyria to protect assuming he had a will of his own. Considering it is possible for more than one to drop in the encounter from neighboring Rotting Dragons.

Think about it he went to the tomb with a purpose, we never entered that tomb. Considering the tomb was a possible resting place of the Scepter of Orr. I'm almost certain that there is still something of great power still down there.

I'll have to form an expedition to the region when GW2 is released and check and see if its open or not.

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"If it has happened" implies that you do believe he was corrupted - but that there is the possibility he was always corrupted. And the insanity is going off of the nature of the Realm of Torment. Also, there are constant references to the secrets and knowledge driving people insane (the word used is actually mad). Besides, how can one who is around torment and insanity and forcing such on others not be insane?
I know from personal experience that knowing the truth (first hand knowledge) about classified information can drive you insane. It happens to many people who work with said knowledge, it induces paranoia, anxiety, and other mad conditions. It can also physically re wire the brain, causing other conditions. It's a reflex condition the brain does to protect itself from social harm. SO yeah it was reasonable to assume Abaddon went insane knowing secrets. It will be interesting to see how Kormir deals with it. Some people deal with secret knowledge much better than others.

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Khilbron needed the scepter because he needed it's energy boosting, reality altering, power to open the great dimensional plug called the Door of Komalie.
Wrong.
WE were the ones who brutally forced open the door by killing and destroying everything in sight.
Those pillarwhatstheirnames where souls jumps out.. Soul Batteries was it? Those were keeping the door shut.
We destroyed them.
He needed the scepter for the Titans, not the Door.

Also, Reality-Altering is the Staff of the Mists job.
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Watch the video again. All we did was undue the seals. Once the lich was slain the area became unstable. The Scepter controlled the plug.
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Yeah, I should have looked at the Scribe, because it helps my point.

Want to know the irony? You said he may not come from Ascalon, yet the Scribe says he comes from Ascalon! You just proved yourself wrong!
I know, this will be quite impolite, but: lol

Argh! I've got you!

Briar has already pointed this out. It killed many travellers! A reformed phrase of the sentence is the following:

"There he is said to have slain many travelers who were making the trek from Ascalon to Kryta."

That's it.

And Rotwing's Recurve Bow is hardly a powerful weapon worth protecting, as it was already pointed out by Tzu. It is protecting something within that tomb.

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Where is the issue?
That their models/skins are undead.

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"If it has happened" implies that you do believe he was corrupted - but that there is the possibility he was always corrupted. And the insanity is going off of the nature of the Realm of Torment. Also, there are constant references to the secrets and knowledge driving people insane (the word used is actually mad). Besides, how can one who is around torment and insanity and forcing such on others not be insane?
Probably, but no one said that protecting secrets turned him insane, mad, whatever you like. After all his knowledge and power could've protected him from his secrets.

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Old Oct 26, 2009, 12:19 PM   #251
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Read it again Konig. The Travelers are making the journey from Ascalon to Kryta - not the dragon.

If your interpretation was correct the quote would have read

"There he is said to have slain many travelers while making the trek from Ascalon to Kryta."

This of course makes perfect sense because what is the path Ascalonian's take to get to Kryta? Through the Frost Gate! Where Rotscale was!
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I know, this will be quite impolite, but: lol

Argh! I've got you!

Briar has already pointed this out. It killed many travellers! A reformed phrase of the sentence is the following:

"There he is said to have slain many travelers who were making the trek from Ascalon to Kryta."

That's it.
Er, thosse words can be taken two ways. I read "making the trek" as "making his trek". While making the trek could also go to the travelers. I think it is more likely that the Scribe is keeping to the beta lore (raised by the Stone Summit on the edge of Ascalon and was fought in the Shiverpeaks, though I didn't play then, I think he was at the Frost Gate's area) on Rotscale instead of changing it to him just heading from the Shiverpeaks.

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No reason to yell and your observation is a bit misguided knowing what we know as cannon, everything else is just speculation. (Speculation does not always mean incorrect)
Wasn't yelling, I was making sure it was read. What we know is canon is what I said, Khilbron controlled the undead before having the Scepter of Orr, Khilbron was a lich before having the Scepter of Orr, Khilbron wanted the Scepter of Orr in order to control the Titans. However, we also know that Khilbron was a general of Abaddon, and that the Titans serve Abaddon, so we do not know if the Scepter really does control the Titans.

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Khilbron needed the scepter because he needed it's energy boosting, reality altering, power to open the great dimensional plug called the Door of Komalie.
Khilbron doesn't open the door. He has the PCs do it. All that is needed to open the Door of Komalie is to destroy the seals.*

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Regardless of the Flame Seeker Prophecies he was going to do what he was going to do. If he could use the flame seeker to his advantage he would. His goal was to open a portal to the Domain of Anguish and therefore a door to Abaddon. He needed the staff to alter reality at that portal plug door because his power alone was not enough.
Er... he was the Flameseeker. Also, *.

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Now just for FYI, I also subscribe to the theory that his lichdom was an indirect result of releasing Zhaitan's power premature, an unexpected aftereffect that went to his benefit. Since Abaddon was the god of secrets I'm sure Abaddon surmised that this release of power might happen and simply used it to his advantage. Khilbron was only a tool of an insane being of power after all.
Seeing how Khilbron knows how to make others into lich-like creatures (that is, unable to be killed), and that there was a corrupted vizier about 50 years ago, either Orr had two corrupted viziers in a row, or Khilbron was the cause of Corsairs' turning undead. Which, if he could create undead 50 years ago, and is not old and aging looking like Adelbern, he either was incredibly young when he created undead, or he was undead before the Cataclysm (this is assuming the form which we see Khilbron as human is his form from before he died to become undead) - I somehow doubt the becoming an undead lich was accidental (on Khilbron's part).

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You mean the bow that Rotting Dragons also drop. I strongly doubt that this crappy item is the item a 20,000 hp Rotwing was so obsessed to travel halfway across Tyria to protect assuming he had a will of his own. Considering it is possible for more than one to drop in the encounter from neighboring Rotting Dragons.

Think about it he went to the tomb with a purpose, we never entered that tomb. Considering the tomb was a possible resting place of the Scepter of Orr. I'm almost certain that there is still something of great power still down there.
Well it certainly wasn't the Scepter of Orr (wrong tomb - the tomb with the Scepter of Orr is southeast of Rotscale in the area).

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And Rotwing's Recurve Bow is hardly a powerful weapon worth protecting, as it was already pointed out by Tzu. It is protecting something within that tomb.
I was bringing that up as the only known "treasure".

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Watch the video again. All we did was undue the seals. Once the lich was slain the area became unstable. The Scepter controlled the plug.
You should watch it again, we destroy the seals, the "force field" falls, and ghosts are already poping out along with the giant hole.

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That their models/skins are undead.
I still don't see the issue.
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Old Oct 26, 2009, 12:27 PM   #252
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Watch the video again. All we did was undue the seals.
Yes. WE opened the door. Not Khilbron.
No magical stick needed there. Any guy could do that if the Mursaat weren't in the way.
Which is one of the reasons why Khilbron used us.
When the souls were freed and the Titans escaped and took form in the lava, only then Khilbron revealed he was the Lich all along and seized command of the Titans (using the scepter).

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Once the lich was slain the area became unstable. The Scepter controlled the plug.
The Door of Komalie works on souls.
Lack of souls/Blow up the seals = Open
Enough Souls = Closed

The Lich's soul alone surpassed the "closed" requirement and the volcano became unstable. The Door closed but with Abaddon's Mouth erupting again as a consequence.

Again, no magical stick needed.

After everyone was gone, the Scepter was teleported away by *something*. And it surely wasn't the Bloodstone nor the Door.

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I think it is more likely that the Scribe is keeping to the beta lore (raised by the Stone Summit on the edge of Ascalon and was fought in the Shiverpeaks, though I didn't play then, I think he was at the Frost Gate's area) on Rotscale instead of changing it to him just heading from the Shiverpeaks.
That's it, you think. The Scribe does not say where did he come from. He could've come up from Orr just as easily. And that phrase is referring to the travelers who tried to pass from Kryta to Ascalon or the other way, but never made it due to Rotscale.

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I still don't see the issue.
Never mind. Solved.

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And yet without an intelligent mind behind the Scepter the portal fails. If you can explain why the portal fails without the scepter in hand I would agree that the players are sole responsible for the Door's opening. That is why I believe the Scepter is/was needed for the opening to be complete.

For example: I have a sparkling wine bottle and wish to pour the wine. I undue the seal yet the cork still remains. Even with the cork being removed from pressure from the sparkling wine the flow would still need to be controlled or else it spills everywhere, thus yes the scepter of Orr was needed to control the flow once the cork was pulled or removed by pressure. Therefore the Scepter was needed by Khilbron to open the portal.

Also yes I agree that the scepter or Orr was taken from a different tomb. The Tomb Rotscale was guarding seems more important. Therefore I don't assume the Rotscale re-curve bow is the item Rotscale was guarding. Does Rotscale know what the item is? I doubt it but thats ok something is guiding him.

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The Door of Komalie works on souls.
Lack of souls/Blow up the seals = Open
Enough Souls = Closed

The Lich's soul alone surpassed the "closed" requirement and the volcano became unstable. The Door closed but with Abaddon's Mouth erupting again as a consequence.

Again, no magical stick needed.

After everyone was gone, the Scepter was teleported away by *something*. And it surely wasn't the Bloodstone nor the Door.
I have a different view on the matter. The death of Khilbron activated the Bloodstone. The surge of magic flowed into the Door, and into the lava, which caused the volcano to become unstable, and thus erupt.

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That's it, you think. The Scribe does not say where did he come from. He could've come up from Orr just as easily. And that phrase is referring to the travelers who tried to pass from Kryta to Ascalon or the other way, but never made it due to Rotscale.
Shiverpeaks match perfectly with the beta lore. It would be less likely for it to go against beta lore than with it. And how do you know that the phrase is referring to the travelers and not Rotscale? As I said, it can be read two ways, one way meaning the travelers, the other meaning Rotscale. I read it as meaning Rotscale, as that makes more sense to me.

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And yet without an intelligent mind behind the Scepter the portal fails. If you can explain why the portal fails without the scepter in hand I would agree that the players are sole responsible for the Door's opening. That is why I believe the Scepter is/was needed for the opening to be complete.
The Scepter wasn't needed to open the portal. That's all the explanation that is needed. Though this guy says we have to open the Door, not Khilbron, and there is Khilbron's line:

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At last the door of Komalie! Those seals hold back our allies. Break them open and bring this fight to an end.
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Also yes I agree that the scepter or Orr was taken from a different tomb. The Tomb Rotscale was guarding seems more important. Therefore I don't assume the Rotscale re-curve bow is the item Rotscale was guarding. Does Rotscale know what the item is? I doubt it but thats ok something is guiding him.

"There's always a bigger fish."
I highly doubt there is a stronger weapon in the same area as another. Look how far away the two sister staves were. Until we have knowledge of some other powerful weapon, I don't think we should assume there is one. For all we know, all Rotscale is really guarding is simple gold.
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Old Oct 26, 2009, 02:21 PM   #256
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And yet the Scepter held the enough interest to the Mursaat to send white mantle into the lair and steal it.
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Old Oct 26, 2009, 02:36 PM   #257
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Because of the Flameseeker Prophecies! The Undead coming to Kryta, after the Scepter of Orr, their race ending. They tried to kill off all the chosen to keep their race alive. Why not keep the Scepter of Orr out of the Flameseeker's hands in order to survive as well?

I mean, if the chosen never got the Scepter of Orr, Khilbron wouldn't have. If Khilbron didn't get the Scepter of Orr, he wouldn't have guided the chosen to go through Ascension and thus giving them the strongest thing against the Mursaat (the ability of True Sight).
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Old Oct 26, 2009, 02:36 PM   #258
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And yet the Scepter held the enough interest to the Mursaat to send white mantle into the lair and steal it.
This doesn't mean anything.

They could have known it was needed to open the door.

OR

They could have known you could control the titans with it.

OR

They were interested in its energy bending powers.

As it doesn't say why they want it, the fact that they wanted it means that it could do something and that's it.
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Old Oct 26, 2009, 02:51 PM   #259
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Shiverpeaks match perfectly with the beta lore. It would be less likely for it to go against beta lore than with it. And how do you know that the phrase is referring to the travelers and not Rotscale? As I said, it can be read two ways, one way meaning the travelers, the other meaning Rotscale. I read it as meaning Rotscale, as that makes more sense to me.
The problem is, that the precedents give Rotscale a location, not an action:

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Early reports placed him far east, in the great Shiverpeak Mountains, near The Frost Gate.
It places him in the Shiverpeaks. It didn't give him a "vector" and actions. It says that Rotscale stationed near the Frost Gate, and...

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There he is said to have slain many travelers making the trek from Ascalon to Kryta.
... the dragon have slain many travelers (key word) who were going to Kryta from Ascalon, or from Kryta to Ascalon. If he would've been moving while killing the poor fellows, then the trek wouldn't have been impossible, because they could've slipped through easily. And again: travelers!

Also, it seems that they've used some of the beta lore while creating his background info. But again, the whole beta lore should be handled non-canon. What's more, the Stone Summit could not have created such powerful entity...
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Old Oct 26, 2009, 02:57 PM   #260
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The Stone Summit are.. Special.
They can enslave Djinn, build the Iron Forgeman and somehow usurp the powers of the Great Destroyer (if it weren't for us, that is).
It wouldn't surprise me that one of their high chiefs could animate a powerful Bone Dragon.

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