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And no one said that Abaddon's corruption (if it has happened) was deliberate, thus the dragons could not be masterminds, only catalyzers. Perhaps he ventured too close to one of the them and it has changed his mental state drastically. |
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You're still assuming that Abaddon was corrupted. And not simply always not in the right state of mind, which could only worsen with a millennium of torment.
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We know that the six gods were in sort of a stable relationship for a long time. Sure, Grenth replaced Dhuum at some point, but they were worshiped as the six. There is no indication of any quarrel between them.
However, right before the exodus, Abaddon changed his behavior by starting to hand out magic. The Margonites prayed to Abaddon before, but it was when he answered their prayers handing out magic that they became the twisted creatures of GW Nightfall. From there it went downhill rather quickly for Abaddon. Something must have changed him, because the other gods did not try to restore his reputation, they all turned on him in a second and tried to bury the whole story. That is a rather strange behavior. It does not fit the profile of him going mad on his own, because that the other gods could have dealt with. But they did not, they dealt with Abaddon and the corruption he caused as if it was highly contagious and as if the other five gods had no cure, thus being afraid to get infected themselves! Close the lid, run away. What the five gods did after Abaddon changed his behavior speaks for itself. They tried to seal him up as best they could and ran as far away from Tyria as they could. Even as the seal broke they would not return. |
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Yeah, I should have looked at the Scribe, because it helps my point.
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"If it has happened" implies that you do believe he was corrupted - but that there is the possibility he was always corrupted. And the insanity is going off of the nature of the Realm of Torment. Also, there are constant references to the secrets and knowledge driving people insane (the word used is actually mad). Besides, how can one who is around torment and insanity and forcing such on others not be insane?
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If your interpretation was correct the quote would have read "There he is said to have slain many travelers while making the trek from Ascalon to Kryta." This of course makes perfect sense because what is the path Ascalonian's take to get to Kryta? Through the Frost Gate! Where Rotscale was! Last edited by Briar; Oct 26, 2009 at 11:25 AM. |
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A lot was written between the time I went to bed last night and this morning. Others have defended my hypothesis quite well so I'll just pick a few quotes to make a reply.
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Khilbron needed the scepter because he needed it's energy boosting, reality altering, power to open the great dimensional plug called the Door of Komalie. Regardless of the Flame Seeker Prophecies he was going to do what he was going to do. If he could use the flame seeker to his advantage he would. His goal was to open a portal to the Domain of Anguish and therefore a door to Abaddon. He needed the staff to alter reality at that portal plug door because his power alone was not enough. Now just for FYI, I also subscribe to the theory that his lichdom was an indirect result of releasing Zhaitan's power premature, an unexpected aftereffect that went to his benefit. Since Abaddon was the god of secrets I'm sure Abaddon surmised that this release of power might happen and simply used it to his advantage. Khilbron was only a tool of an insane being of power after all. Quote:
Think about it he went to the tomb with a purpose, we never entered that tomb. Considering the tomb was a possible resting place of the Scepter of Orr. I'm almost certain that there is still something of great power still down there. I'll have to form an expedition to the region when GW2 is released and check and see if its open or not. Quote:
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WE were the ones who brutally forced open the door by killing and destroying everything in sight. Those pillarwhatstheirnames where souls jumps out.. Soul Batteries was it? Those were keeping the door shut. We destroyed them. He needed the scepter for the Titans, not the Door. Also, Reality-Altering is the Staff of the Mists job. |
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Watch the video again. All we did was undue the seals. Once the lich was slain the area became unstable. The Scepter controlled the plug.
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Argh! I've got you! Briar has already pointed this out. It killed many travellers! A reformed phrase of the sentence is the following: "There he is said to have slain many travelers who were making the trek from Ascalon to Kryta." That's it. And Rotwing's Recurve Bow is hardly a powerful weapon worth protecting, as it was already pointed out by Tzu. It is protecting something within that tomb. Quote:
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Yes. WE opened the door. Not Khilbron.
No magical stick needed there. Any guy could do that if the Mursaat weren't in the way. Which is one of the reasons why Khilbron used us. When the souls were freed and the Titans escaped and took form in the lava, only then Khilbron revealed he was the Lich all along and seized command of the Titans (using the scepter). Quote:
Lack of souls/Blow up the seals = Open Enough Souls = Closed The Lich's soul alone surpassed the "closed" requirement and the volcano became unstable. The Door closed but with Abaddon's Mouth erupting again as a consequence. Again, no magical stick needed. After everyone was gone, the Scepter was teleported away by *something*. And it surely wasn't the Bloodstone nor the Door. Last edited by Karuro; Oct 26, 2009 at 12:30 PM. |
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And yet without an intelligent mind behind the Scepter the portal fails. If you can explain why the portal fails without the scepter in hand I would agree that the players are sole responsible for the Door's opening. That is why I believe the Scepter is/was needed for the opening to be complete.
For example: I have a sparkling wine bottle and wish to pour the wine. I undue the seal yet the cork still remains. Even with the cork being removed from pressure from the sparkling wine the flow would still need to be controlled or else it spills everywhere, thus yes the scepter of Orr was needed to control the flow once the cork was pulled or removed by pressure. Therefore the Scepter was needed by Khilbron to open the portal. Also yes I agree that the scepter or Orr was taken from a different tomb. The Tomb Rotscale was guarding seems more important. Therefore I don't assume the Rotscale re-curve bow is the item Rotscale was guarding. Does Rotscale know what the item is? I doubt it but thats ok something is guiding him. "There's always a bigger fish." |
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And yet the Scepter held the enough interest to the Mursaat to send white mantle into the lair and steal it.
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Because of the Flameseeker Prophecies! The Undead coming to Kryta, after the Scepter of Orr, their race ending. They tried to kill off all the chosen to keep their race alive. Why not keep the Scepter of Orr out of the Flameseeker's hands in order to survive as well?
I mean, if the chosen never got the Scepter of Orr, Khilbron wouldn't have. If Khilbron didn't get the Scepter of Orr, he wouldn't have guided the chosen to go through Ascension and thus giving them the strongest thing against the Mursaat (the ability of True Sight).
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They could have known it was needed to open the door. OR They could have known you could control the titans with it. OR They were interested in its energy bending powers. As it doesn't say why they want it, the fact that they wanted it means that it could do something and that's it. |
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Also, it seems that they've used some of the beta lore while creating his background info. But again, the whole beta lore should be handled non-canon. What's more, the Stone Summit could not have created such powerful entity... |
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The Stone Summit are.. Special.
They can enslave Djinn, build the Iron Forgeman and somehow usurp the powers of the Great Destroyer (if it weren't for us, that is). It wouldn't surprise me that one of their high chiefs could animate a powerful Bone Dragon. Last edited by Karuro; Oct 26, 2009 at 03:39 PM. |
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