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[Triton]

Tnx Undead.

I will take gtx 460 :) ....and maybe some new LCD, at least 1680x1060

[Undead]

If you're getting a new Monitor then get nothing below 1920x1080. Honestly, you shouldnt really worry about the bottlenecking with the E8400/GTX 560.

[Elder III]

The Comfy Chair said:

If you know a approximate release date ima going to find you and beat it out of you sojar :p

Can I come?  I know some good "heavies" and the approximate location of the victim... er... "unidentified perpetrator". :D

[shyerra hall]

gtx 560 loses out to hd 6950 1GB universally, at the same price:(

[The Comfy Chair]

So gtx560 kinda fails then in that case  :(

Guess AMD had that based covered right from the start this time (for good reason, the gtx460 had no real competition).

EDIT: reviews seem to state on the contrary, seems like it fits in nicely at it's price bracket, which is below the hd6950 and above the hd6870. Seems like it's pretty much a hd5870 with better tessellation for the most part.

Edited by The Comfy Chair, 25 January 2011 - 06:19 PM.

[shyerra hall]

the 560 hasn't failed, it's a good part. the 6950 1GB simply performs on par with the 2GB variant. both have good OC headroom as well. the only ones who lose are people who got a 6870 or 470 in the last few weeks.

[The Comfy Chair]

Indeed, seems like a solid release from nvidia. It's not on the level of gtx460 as being a game changer though. Just another part in the upper mid range to give a bit more of a choice.

Has caused some price drops to the hd6850/70 and hd6950 though, the hd6950 should end up sub-£200 now, and with the unlocking ability it is THE card to buy.

[shyerra hall]

crossfire scaling is officially beast though. my two 6870's beat two 560's in virtually everything.

[moriz]

at the $250-260ish range, i'd say the 1GB HD6950 is the better buy. the GTX560 Ti needs a fairly hefty overclock to equal it.

in the end, it more or less comes down to which feature set you want. want physX? go with GTX560 Ti. want eyefinity and better power consumption? 1GB HD6950. heck, even an overclocked HD6870 would do.

anyway, techreport review is up:
http://techreport.com/articles.x/20293

[shyerra hall]

Images from the Overclockers Club review of the 560. They overclocked the 560 to 1016Mhz core and the 6950 to 900Mhz:




As you can see, the 6950 beats the 560 at stock, and when they are overclocked the 6950 is still faster. In fact, overclocking the 6950 gives a much larger benefit than overclocking the 560 does.

also, catalyst 11.1 is out in two days and the performance increase for the 6K series is quite good in most games, the biggest being 35% in CoD and 28% in Metro 2033. the driver makes proper utilization of the two setup engines in the 6900 series cards.

Edited by shyerra hall, 25 January 2011 - 10:27 PM.

[Lord Sojar]

Ahem....

http://www.anandtech...-the-250-market

The fact that AMD had to counter it with a 1GB variant of the HD 6950 and the fact that there have been massive price drops on the 6800 series cards shows one true fact:  The GTX 560 Ti did its job.  It shook up the marketplace (yet again) and gave us (the consumer) a huge win.

Edited by Lord Sojar, 25 January 2011 - 10:31 PM.

[The Comfy Chair]

I wouldn't mind anandtech if nvidia cards didn't sprout an extra 5-10% in every review by them.

The release good tech articles, but i don't like (i.e. trust) them for reviews. So i leave them out of my websites for comparison of reviews (i use about 5).

Edited by The Comfy Chair, 25 January 2011 - 10:36 PM.

[dhatcher1]

Gotta go to Fudzilla to get that unbiased intelligence.  ;)

[shyerra hall]

dhatcher1 said:

Gotta go to Fudzilla to get that unbiased intelligence.  ;)

lol, indeed.

[The Comfy Chair]

oh god fudzilla ><

Still, not as bad as ol' charlie the world's shoutiest AMD fanboy hobo.

[Lord Sojar]

Comfy, Anandtech is literally the most unbiased of all the review sites.  They use correct driver revisions, they post when they have a mistake, etc.  Also, their review makes the most sense.  The GTX 560 Ti should be on par or above the HD 6950 1 and 2GB cards in heavy tessellated games at 1920x1200 and below.  Above that, it should trade blows with the 1GB and lose to the 2GB.  

In tessellation light games and DX9 and 10 games, it should lose to the HD 6950 1GB and 2GB models almost every single time.  

So to what bias do you hint?  Anandtech is far better than Tom's, makes Techreport look amateur at best.  Need I go on?

Edited by Lord Sojar, 25 January 2011 - 10:58 PM.

[The Comfy Chair]

I'm not sure, several times the results just didn't seem to stack up against every other site i looked at. If 10 sites (including techpowerup, which i like as their results always correlate well to the real world results i see) all say similar things and anandtech sticks out like a sore thumb, it's not going to swing in anands way :)

Maybe the entire internet was wrong (and incidentally, the entire internet tends to be closer to what i eventually get in the real world) and anand was the only beacon of hope, but since that hasn't happened on any ATi/AMD reviews at anand, and only for nvidia (and always in nvidia's favour i may add), i just can't trust them anymore as a result (unless they get some special uber nvidia drivers that no-one else can use, or i just subtract 10% from nvidia card scores). They may have improved since i stopped caring of course.

Also note that this is not an attack on anandtech, just the reason why i personally don't really use them as a basis for reviews any more :)

P.S. tom's is indeed crap XD

Edited by The Comfy Chair, 25 January 2011 - 11:11 PM.

[shyerra hall]

Lord Sojar said:

Comfy, Anandtech is literally the most unbiased of all the review sites.  They use correct driver revisions, they post when they have a mistake, etc.  Also, their review makes the most sense.  The GTX 560 Ti should be on par or above the HD 6950 1 and 2GB cards in heavy tessellated games at 1920x1200 and below.  Above that, it should trade blows with the 1GB and lose to the 2GB.  

In tessellation light games and DX9 and 10 games, it should lose to the HD 6950 1GB and 2GB models almost every single time.  

So to what bias do you hint?  Anandtech is far better than Tom's, makes Techreport look amateur at best.  Need I go on?

will Anandtech be re-testing these cards in two days time?

[Lord Sojar]

The Comfy Chair said:

I'm not sure, several times the results just didn't seem to stack up against every other site i looked at. If 10 sites (including techpowerup, which i like as their results always correlate well to the real world results i see) all say similar things and anandtech sticks out like a sore thumb, it's not going to swing in anands way :)

Maybe the entire internet was wrong (and incidentally, the entire internet tends to be closer to what i eventually get in the real world) and anand was the only beacon of hope, but since that hasn't happened on any ATi/AMD reviews at anand, and only for nvidia (and always in nvidia's favour i may add), i just can't trust them anymore as a result (unless they get some special uber nvidia drivers that no-one else can use, or i just subtract 10% from nvidia card scores). They may have improved since i stopped caring of course.

Also note that this is not an attack on anandtech, just the reason why i personally don't really use them as a basis for reviews any more :)

http://www.anandtech...0-black-edition

They gave an entire article dedicated to minor cooling and RAM variants for AMD cards.  Their results are perfectly in line with what should be.  I fail to see ANY bias.  

They even used the 11.1a Catalyst drivers!  God, if anything, they are giving AMD the advantage here, not nVidia.  

They used an overclocked eVGA FTW 460 when the 6800 series came out, and people got really upset.  They made an entire article to explain that decision, and even had a poll about the future use of similar cards in reviews.  Talk about transparency!  

Of all the sites to use for reviews, Anandtech should be your number 1.  They have electrical engineers and CS professionals doing their reviews.  Anand himself is a genius level computer engineer who I have met personally at a conference.  He, and he would never admit this, rivals an Intel fellow in intelligence.  I have nothing but respect for the man.

shyerra hall said:

will Anandtech be re-testing these cards in two days time?

Why bother?  They already used Catalyst 11.1a.   They are already ahead of the bell curve here, everyone else is behind.

[The Comfy Chair]

Okay sojar, you've sold me, i'll give them another chance ^^  Probably just some weird results back in t' day. Still, i did say i do like the tech articles and i still read the reviews, i just never really took the results into much consideration for the reasons outlined previously :)

[Serafita Kayin]

Take it from another industry journalist, Anand Lal Shimpi is a genius.  I don't always agree with his choices, but at least his are defensible.  Sometimes it comes down to "agree to disagree" on things that are matters of preference, but as far as actual professionalism?  He's got it in spades.

Besides, Sojar is right there.  With the race as close as it is, the winners are us.  It's a really good time to be a consumer.  Green, red, whatever-the cards are pretty much all shaping up to be excellent choices.  And that's not happened in a LONG time.

[Undead]

I have to agree on anandtech's credibility. It's probably my most (or one of) trusted review site.

[Vuckovic]

AMD Phenom 9650 X4 @ 2.3ghz
RAM: 3gb ddr2
9500gt
win7 x64
????

[N.Nick]

HmH , judging from Rift requirements

Spoiler

Minimum System Specification
Operating system: Windows XP, Vista or 7
Processor: Dual Core 2.0 GHz or better
Memory: 2 GB
Hard disk space: 8.0 GB available
Video: Nvidia GeForce FX 5900, ATI/AMD Radeon X300, Intel GMA X4500 or better.
Sound: DirectX 8.1 compliant card
DirectX®: 9.0c, June 2010 update
Broadband internet connection (DSL, cable modem or other high speed connection)

Recommended System Specification
Operating system: Windows XP, Vista or 7
Processor: Core 2 Duo 2.2 GHz or better
Memory: 4 GB
Hard disk space: 8.0 GB available
Desktop Video: Nvidia GTS 250 or better
Notebook Video: Nvidia GTX 200M series or better
Sound: DirectX 8.1 compliant card
DirectX®: 9.0c, June 2010 update
Broadband internet connection (DSL, cable modem or other high speed connection)

i think gw2 requirements will be something like this , bit lower imo

[Ivan The Legend]

Intel core-i7 740qm (1.7ghz, turbo boost to over 3)
Gtx 460m (cuda?) 1.5gb gddr5
8gb ddr3
Windows 7 premium( I believe)
1 terabyte HDD(don't know if it makes a difference)

If the specs are anything like what the poster above said, then I'm happy :D

[spirit 3ater]

I'll be able to run it, but I won't max it... sadly

INtel core i5 450m
ATI mobility HD5650 1gb
4gb RAM DDR3
Windows 7 64bit

Edited by spirit 3ater, 04 February 2011 - 10:30 PM.

[BlindGuardian]

N.Nick said:

HmH , judging from Rift requirements

Spoiler

Minimum System Specification
Operating system: Windows XP, Vista or 7
Processor: Dual Core 2.0 GHz or better
Memory: 2 GB
Hard disk space: 8.0 GB available
Video: Nvidia GeForce FX 5900, ATI/AMD Radeon X300, Intel GMA X4500 or better.
Sound: DirectX 8.1 compliant card
DirectX®: 9.0c, June 2010 update
Broadband internet connection (DSL, cable modem or other high speed connection)

Recommended System Specification
Operating system: Windows XP, Vista or 7
Processor: Core 2 Duo 2.2 GHz or better
Memory: 4 GB
Hard disk space: 8.0 GB available
Desktop Video: Nvidia GTS 250 or better
Notebook Video: Nvidia GTX 200M series or better
Sound: DirectX 8.1 compliant card
DirectX®: 9.0c, June 2010 update
Broadband internet connection (DSL, cable modem or other high speed connection)

i think gw2 requirements will be something like this , bit lower imo

hmmm. dont you think its a bit to much 4gb or ram. I'd give it 2gb/3gb recommended

[Undead]

Ivan The Legend said:

Intel core-i7 740qm (1.7ghz, turbo boost to over 3)
Gtx 460m (cuda?) 1.5gb gddr5
8gb ddr3
Windows 7 premium( I believe)
1 terabyte HDD(don't know if it makes a difference)

If the specs are anything like what the poster above said, then I'm happy :D

High settings is my guess.

spirit 3ater said:

I'll be able to run it, but I won't max it... sadly

INtel core i5 450m
ATI mobility HD5650 1gb
4gb RAM DDR3
Windows 7 64bit

Medium, maybe one or two settings on low.

Edited by Undead, 08 February 2011 - 09:01 PM.

[BlindGuardian]

What you guys think of me. How will i run it? I want Cheese's opinion :D

AMD Athlon II x4 635 (Quad Core 2,9Ghz)
ATI RADEON GIGABYTE HD 5770 1GB GDDR5
4GB RAM DDR3 1600MHZ
Windows 7 Ultimate 32bit
320gb Hard Disk

Resolution MAX: 1280x1024 on my monitor

Thx for teh kind words :D

Edited by BlindGuardian, 08 February 2011 - 09:02 PM.

[Undead]

As you have a relatively low resolution, I'd be willing to bet you'd max it.