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#1321 Corsair

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 10:46 PM

View PostSymbiont, on 15 April 2014 - 03:29 PM, said:

no wonder...

All props to him though, for so convincingly playing a total ♥♥♥♥. When I can loathe a character so totally a lot of people did their jobs right. And it really reveals what the character is, a child who was never told no by his mother. I wish he would do more roles, if he can do anything else half as good as Joffery, he has a promising career ahead of him.

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Posted 17 April 2014 - 05:25 PM

Second episode of season 4
+ Interesting.
+ Ending had special plot twist.
+ Geoffrey was less childish in season 4 and he showed some sadistic comedy liking that I can understand.
+ The CULT is seen again in action. I so like their faction.
- Boring scenes that I could not care less.
My vote: 7.7/10.

After fist episode I had high expectations and I wondered if this would be a 9/10 as good as second season was to me but this brought expectations slightly down. Final vote for whole season I will give after seen whole season 4.

Edited by Stargate, 18 April 2014 - 02:26 PM.


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Posted 25 April 2014 - 12:54 AM

Review of episode 3 season 4
+ Female nudity. I am not interested in male nudity, but if that is you thing you might get eyecandy more or less.
+ Interesting nasty scene with Queen and...
+ Dragon faction though WARNING MAJOR SPOILER:
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+ The wise grandfather of Lannisters impressed me wisdom and diplomacy.
- Less interesting scenes also, but generally not boring and for once even the scenes with Sansa was not so boring.
Conclusion: My kind of episode and
My vote: 9/10 classic episode!

The episode did not have any long lasting fights, but was interesting in so many other ways.

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 11:04 PM

Ho boy, a lot of things happened this week, but none of it really went anywhere. I feel like I wanted something more concrete than what transpired, buuut it was mostly plotting and setup for the next episode.

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I am interested to see Daenarys try her hand at statecraft in Mereen. It was an interesting time of development in the novel and she has proven herself an effective leader and strategist, but has yet to be tested against more subtle enemies and subversion. I also hope we get to move MUCH farther into Tyrion's trial.

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 02:30 PM

I gotta say, first major misstep in the TV series for me was the reveal of the murder conspiracy.  I was looking forward to a mystery, and they literally just tell you who did it.

Loved Dany as always...  "I will answer injustice with justice."  Don't piss her off!

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 04:12 PM

I am unsure of the latest episode. It is really the first one that has some complete departures from the books (I'm not talking small things like Grey Worm going through the sewers instead of Jorah). The Bran arc has done a totally different turn, although we may end up in the same place later. Craster's is a brand new addition and departure. The White Walker scene may end up in the books though and the TV series may have jumped ahead here, that is what I suspect.

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 04:42 PM

View PostJuanele, on 29 April 2014 - 04:12 PM, said:

I am unsure of the latest episode. It is really the first one that has some complete departures from the books (I'm not talking small things like Grey Worm going through the sewers instead of Jorah). The Bran arc has done a totally different turn, although we may end up in the same place later. Craster's is a brand new addition and departure. The White Walker scene may end up in the books though and the TV series may have jumped ahead here, that is what I suspect.
Well, I would assume the White Walker's scene is just showing what everybody already suspects happens, or at least quite a few people. It doesn't change the plot, just makes clearer the enigma that are the Others. The Bran scenes might be entirely different depending entirely upon what they intend to o with Cold Hands.

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Posted 30 April 2014 - 08:10 AM

View PostCorsair, on 29 April 2014 - 04:42 PM, said:

Well, I would assume the White Walker's scene is just showing what everybody already suspects happens, or at least quite a few people. It doesn't change the plot, just makes clearer the enigma that are the Others. The Bran scenes might be entirely different depending entirely upon what they intend to o with Cold Hands.

John Bradley, the actor who plays Sam, confirmed in an interview before Season 4 aired that Coldhands won't be in there (this season). So worst case: he's completely cut, if not then he might make an appearance in a later season - but I'd doubt that, honestly.

Edited by Illein, 30 April 2014 - 08:10 AM.


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Posted 06 May 2014 - 10:57 PM

Game of Thrones Epsiode 4 of season 4
+ Interesting ending.
+ Fairly interesting with John Snow etc.
+ Nudity, ♥♥♥♥ing great yeah!
- average boring.
My vote: 7.75/10 very good.


Game of Thrones Episode 5 of season 4:
+ John Snow get to fight a tough opponent... Fate decides... I also liked generally the scenes with John Snow. I am not sure WHO I want to win this war, but John Snow is getting my sympathy.
+ Lol ending slavery is not going so smooth as thought.... realistic Talgary society is used to slavery.
Neutral: At first I did not like the mumbo/jumbo cripple group, but they went at least to an interesting place.
- Mumbo/jumbo story I could not care less.
- no nudity..
My vote: 8.25/10 very good!

Based on these two episodes average about: 8/10, but whole season I judge that when I have seen all the episodes.

Edited by Stargate, 06 May 2014 - 11:59 PM.


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Posted 07 May 2014 - 10:11 AM

Honestly find the show genuinely harder to watch with the intense amount of R.A.P.E and nudity. It is literally uncomfortable. So, so uncomfortable. Especially as it isn't there for any good reason. We all know what r.a.p.e sounds and looks like(unfortunately), you don't need to display it in the background while a character talks. You don't need to open a scene with a woman's crotch either. But who am I to speak, obviously I don't get it. Maybe I'm not edgy enough or something. I like the overall story and I will be following the show, only because I want the woman to win and kill all the men, but if it was up to myself solely I probably would have stopped long ago.

Seriously, ra.pe is in the filter? Why is that?

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Posted 07 May 2014 - 03:14 PM

Yeah GoT is extra ra.pey this season. I found it noteworthy that the only female on male ra.pe scene is depicted as comical (Lysa on Petyr), but also thankfully not visualized. I guess with Joffrey out of the way and Ramsay being absent for a view episode there wasn't enough shock value left, so they needed to flesh out the Craster's Keep subplot.

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Posted 08 May 2014 - 12:07 AM

View PostBuddhaKeks, on 07 May 2014 - 03:14 PM, said:

Yeah GoT is extra ra.pey this season. I found it noteworthy that the only female on male ra.pe scene is depicted as comical (Lysa on Petyr), but also thankfully not visualized. I guess with Joffrey out of the way and Ramsay being absent for a view episode there wasn't enough shock value left, so they needed to flesh out the Craster's Keep subplot.

The books were pretty sexually violent as well, so this isn't unique to the show. Only the fact that it has actually filmed and depicted it. This isn't your standard high fantasy flair, George R.R. Martin didn't base his world on popular myth stories (as fantasy writers have done for ages) but instead on the War of the Roses. Then there is the carnal rule of a visual medium, show don't tell. And the Night Mutineers were depicted exactly as I would have expected them to be.

Is it a sensitive subject? Oh god yes. Does it's depiction make me uncomfortable? You betchya. Is it entirely necessary to the story? No, but it does add world building to show what a shithole living in Westeros would actually be.

Also, I really don't think that Lysa and Petyr is own. He planned for them to get married and everything that entails. He planned for that. If anything the reverse is true since he is useing her station and state of mind to further his own goals. Just as getting Sansa is part of his plan. The man does nothing for anybody but himself. Granted the scene was played for laughs and Petyr didn't seem enthused by the prospect of it.

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Posted 08 May 2014 - 12:28 AM

View PostCorsair, on 08 May 2014 - 12:07 AM, said:

The books were pretty sexually violent as well, so this isn't unique to the show. Only the fact that it has actually filmed and depicted it. This isn't your standard high fantasy flair, George R.R. Martin didn't base his world on popular myth stories (as fantasy writers have done for ages) but instead on the War of the Roses. Then there is the carnal rule of a visual medium, show don't tell. And the Night Mutineers were depicted exactly as I would have expected them to be.

Is it a sensitive subject? Oh god yes. Does it's depiction make me uncomfortable? You betchya. Is it entirely necessary to the story? No, but it does add world building to show what a shithole living in Westeros would actually be.

Also, I really don't think that Lysa and Petyr is own. He planned for them to get married and everything that entails. He planned for that. If anything the reverse is true since he is useing her station and state of mind to further his own goals. Just as getting Sansa is part of his plan. The man does nothing for anybody but himself. Granted the scene was played for laughs and Petyr didn't seem enthused by the prospect of it.

I wasn't complaining, just noticing. I'm currently in process of watching Spartacus, a show even more violant, so GoT it doesn't really shock me. It does however seem they shoehorn it a bit to make it more edgy. I know what happens in the books and if I remember correctly Bran's group never encounters the mutineers as they were already killed by Coldhands. Granted he does not appear in the show, but still going by the book there was no need to get Meera almost ra.ped.
But again not complaining, I don't mind them doing their own thing, that keeps it interesting. Regarding the Lysa-Petyr situation; well sure he planned it, doesn't mean he enjoyed a single second of it. Now think of the genders swapped, with an old crazy man forcing himself on a somewhat unwilling woman and it suddenly sounds way darker (especially with Lysa's history of getting Petyr drunk before they go at it). Not that I didn't laugh at the scene, Sansa's face was priceless. :P

Edited by BuddhaKeks, 08 May 2014 - 12:29 AM.


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Posted 08 May 2014 - 09:13 PM

View PostCube, on 07 May 2014 - 10:11 AM, said:

Honestly find the show genuinely harder to watch with the intense amount of R.A.P.E and nudity. have stopped long ago.

Seriously, ra.pe is in the filter? Why is that?
First of all despite my review above I would not wish that anyone would get ra.ped in real life. That said I am SADIST and HORROR fan in entertainment.

Ra.pe is generally used in entertainment as:
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B. Horror genre. That is why you feel uncomfortable.
Should I tell an example of HORROR movie where ra.pe is also used? Well there are many, but one fairly new movie: The Last House on the Left (2009)
http://www.imdb.com/...8/?ref_=nv_sr_1
I like the above movie very much and rate it 8/10 very good and the main villain the tall man is very cool villain.

These are actors noone is ra.ped of them in real life while they do it.

Look this TV series was brutal in season 3. We have had torture etc. maimed people etc. Yes it is hardcore, but there are those like me that like some hardcore aspects.

You wished women win this war... well I am not sure(and NO I do not want to know), but the woman that controls the Dragons grow more powerful with her army and the Dragons. We also have the cool woman in Red the Cult and she can wield powerful magic. Granted the woman in red faction is down, but perhaps allying with others they still might make a strong impact.

I don't wish the Dragon woman to win this war, but being realist she is one of the strongest candidates.

Finally if you want romance and almost no nudity and no ra,pe, but still at least a bit interesting then I would recommend The Vampire Diaries TV series.

Edited by Khalija, 09 May 2014 - 04:21 PM.
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Posted 12 May 2014 - 03:52 PM

View PostCorsair, on 08 May 2014 - 12:07 AM, said:

Is it entirely necessary to the story? No, but it does add world building to show what a shithole living in Westeros would actually be.


Actually, yes it is necessary. What is the root story here? Political intrigue, backstabbing, and the onset of winter? No. The root story is based around the base theories that power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely, lies beget more lies, and trust nobody: even yourself. Every scene has a purpose, something I have largely been surprised about with the show since that statement usually isn't true in TV and it isn't true a lot of the time in the books. Martin has a love for redundant characters/scenes.

Show, don't tell is indeed very important in both visual media and in print media, but the other half is that every scene should advance the plot or develop the underlying message of the story. I can't think of a "forced sexual act" scene that didn't have a distinct purpose. The act is socially seen as the worst of crimes and is therefor the peak of corrupted morals. The Night's Watch swears to never be with a woman and when they get the power to do as they please they revolt against this restriction completely to the full extreme that they are able. This has a purpose. The scene with the Hound/Arya meeting the soldiers in the inn with the owner's daughter served a similar purpose. Those who can take what they want. Those in power can. Those in power take it all.

I imagine that the aforementioned scenes, the castration scene, any sexual scenes between the twins, the fake whore-wife of Tyrion story, the scene's with Lyssa's son showing his upbringing, and the crucifixion scenes were more monstrous to any of us than any of the murder scenes. Sexual destruction of the self is worse than the destruction of life in our culture and is therefor a useful method to truly portray monstrosity in fiction. It is there to make you want to look away. It is supposed to make it feel real. Because this is how it really would be. Heck, this is how it was. Humans suck.

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Posted 12 May 2014 - 09:04 PM

People should feel no shame in fast-forwarding through such scenes.  Heck, I have skipped over many such scenes myself, and I have no problem watching stuff like "True Blood."

What amazes me is the ability to create compassion for characters I loathe. I thought Jaime deserved to die, but watching him suffer at the hands of his captors made me feel sorry for him...  until he forced himself on Cersei.

Then there is Theon Greyjoy.  He deserves to die...  but not the way that Ramsay Snow destroys Theon to such an extent he can't (or dares not to) remember his own sister...  or his own name!


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Posted 12 May 2014 - 10:05 PM

View PostFeathermoore, on 12 May 2014 - 03:52 PM, said:

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I'd argue that the continued literal depiction is not necessary. The same information can, and has been, achieved through subtext, clever shots, costuming, and other ways. And the directors/writers/actors involved are good enough to pull this off. The same information is conveyed and shown, but not through the direct depiction of the acts. The books themselves make use of this on multiple accounts, be it the castration of Theon Greyjoy or the homosexuality of Renly Baratheon. Showing these events as they happen certainly makes them more immediately shocking to the audience, but I don't think a lot is lost if it were conveyed through other means outside of the main characters. Certainly showing the torture of Theon kept him in our minds when he wasn't present at all in the books and helped garner sympathy for him. But for the countless background NPCs? No. It isn't strictly necessary. The scenes involving Cersi, the attempt upon Sansa a few seasons back, and the attempt on Meera were.

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Posted 13 May 2014 - 02:55 PM

You all need to stop bypassing the spam filter. If a word is in the filter that means we don't talk about it. At all. Anywhere on this website. I'd expect you mods to know better.

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Posted 13 May 2014 - 09:58 PM

There is no need to talk about offtopic filter anymore. I will write what I like and do not like in episodes. Do not ask why I like or not like since that is simply subjective taste.

Anyway I was thinking... how many books do think he will write? I am thinking how many seasons we might get?
Many TV series are 7 seasons.... and there are some TV series that are 5 seasons and some are 10 seasons. Problem is also that he writes so slow so TV series might stop because he has not written next book.

EDIT! Checked there are 5 books released so far, but he is writing the 6th book. It mean this TV series will likely get 6 or more seasons.

Edited by Stargate, 13 May 2014 - 10:38 PM.


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Posted 14 May 2014 - 02:25 AM

He's said before that he intends the series to be 7 books, I believe originally it was supposed to be 6 but he split one of his potential books into two halves.

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Posted 15 May 2014 - 03:21 PM

Game of Thrones Episode 6 of season 4:
+ Factions that are down try to improve interesting.
+ Action and combat.
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+ Female nudity.
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+ no children focused episode for once neither the mumbo/jumbo group or the girl child(with the Hand) is seen. You will also not see Sansa or boring grandmother in the Garden.
+ The ending of this Episode was indeed interesting and I really want to see next episode!
My vote: 9.5/10 Excellent!

I was never bored during this episode and that is amazing compared to many other episodes in this series. Nothing silly or boring seen and interesting when factions that are more or less down try to make slowly progress. The spoilers are perhaps more or less "minor" spoilers, but I wanted to avoid telling to much since many of you might still see this episode.

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Posted 19 May 2014 - 10:00 PM

I guess I could not wait to seen soon the next episode due to good ending in previous episode.
Game of Thrones episode 7 of season 4:
+ Interesting... Lord Snow warns but..
+ The Cult woman shows boobs... The Cult plans to.. yeah I like it. This is an Evil Cult and they want to .... Oh the CULT is cool!.
+ Unexpected things generally in this episode there are more then one surprise.
WARNING "MAJOR" SPOILER!!!
Spoiler
+ The confession at the ending.
- Oh boredom with kids again give me a break...
- I do NOT like the morals of the Dragon Queen faction... blah blah crap...WARNING THEORY SPOILER!
Spoiler
My vote: 8.8/10 very good almost classic!

This is really not a combat episode. That said some interesting things happened. Very cool in some aspects , but the Dragon queens moral speech took it down for me and you could have skipped some kids scenes though Aria was not so boring this time.

Edited by Stargate, 19 May 2014 - 10:20 PM.


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Posted 27 July 2014 - 11:45 PM

Y'all see the video with the new cast members yet? That Castle-Hughes girl seems so familiar but I can't figure out what ive seen her in before.

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Posted 28 July 2014 - 05:51 PM

View PostAlexei Hart, on 27 July 2014 - 11:45 PM, said:

Y'all see the video with the new cast members yet? That Castle-Hughes girl seems so familiar but I can't figure out what ive seen her in before.
Thank you for the resurrect of this thread. No I have not seen the video of new cast members yet. I had forgot all about this TV series due to World Cup of football and some other TV series like Vikings and Falling Skies. I must say I like Vikings TV series more then this series that said I like this TV series more then Falling Skies.

Game of Thrones episode 8 of season 4:
+ Female nudity.
+ Excellent now finally the duel fight. I loved the irony in the end of the fight. Perfect!
+ Did I say I loved the end? It was 10/10 end!
+ Some irony fun when you try to rescue and get reward...
- Whatever bug story with simpleton did not interest me.
My vote: 9/10 a classic and the end was perfect!

Now I would have not rated this episode so high. However the end was brutal and perfect!!! By the way my own dear brother thinks this is the best TV series that exist and he has read all the books that have been written so far. I also enjoy this series and the very end surprised me in this TV series.

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Posted 31 July 2014 - 04:05 PM

Game of Thrones Episode 9 of Season 4
+ Hero John Snow.
+ Brutal WAR! Finally this is excellent war!
+ My kind of brutal fighting.
+ Drama a bit...
+ When death comes for you and you begin to feel despair the adult men begin to sing because
this is the final fight the epic fight!
+ Not only human opponents!
My vote: 10/10 perfect!!!

Edited by Stargate, 31 July 2014 - 05:28 PM.


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Posted 31 July 2014 - 04:16 PM

Game of Thrones Episode 10 of Season 4
+ Hero John Snow sees
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+ My NEW favorite faction comes powerfully into play and no I am not talking about the Dragon faction!
+ Sweet revenge...
+ The plan to free all slaves backfires at least a bit lol.
Neutral. WARNING MAJOR SPOILER!  
Spoiler
- Mumbo jumbo group with children and the halfwit big man continue their struggle.
- Prolonged suffering... and the Stark girl shows some bad morals.
My vote: 8/10 very good!

Ok now I have seen first 4 seasons:
Season 1 8/10 to me
Season 2 9/10 to me.
Season 3 8/10 to me.
Season 4 9/10 to me and this was hugely improved by episode 9!

Edited by Stargate, 31 July 2014 - 04:22 PM.


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 11:38 PM

View PostAlexei Hart, on 27 July 2014 - 11:45 PM, said:

Y'all see the video with the new cast members yet? That Castle-Hughes girl seems so familiar but I can't figure out what ive seen her in before.
Yes now I have seen that video. I put it into spoiler since someone might think it is a "big spoiler": No I am not familiar with that girl.
Spoiler
If someone is curious the video he talked about is in the spoiler I included. I am not a hardcore fan of this TV series. That said my own dear brother loves the books and I do feel the high standard of this series. I feel that many series loose their interest after a while. For example the TV series Lost Girl I really do not like what silly series it has become.

It is a bit difficult for me to compare this to more realistic TV series like: The Americans, Rookie Blue, Prison Break and 24 etc. That said I can also like realistic TV series though they do not become epic or super good.

I think I am more into Action and Horror then deep story. Perhaps that is why I like TV series Spartacus(Action and roman plots etc.) more then this, but I am happy people like my brother think this TV series is 10/10. It is nice there are many good TV series in the world.

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