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[KiLLi4N]

Jura said:

The Tengu have always seemed unintellegent. Like Ettin dumb.

Guess you've never played The Tengu Accords from bonus mission pack :zip:. Angchu are as intelligent as the humans and other races.

[Rednova88]

My guess is that they were pushed out of their homes by the dragons and were either forced into aiding them or are hiding somewhere. IMO probably an expansion race. Look at me talking about expansions and new races before the game is even out...

[Sword Hammer Axe]

They said something about Cantha having become specicist and having driven the Tengu out. The Avicara, Caromi and Quetzal has probably become a rare sight due to the movement of the world.

I suspect:
- Sensali and Angchu: Driven out of Cantha and become Refugees in South Tyria, perhaps Tarnished Coast.
- Avicara: Been killed or driven out by the Dredge, who gained a lot of areas in the Shiverpeaks.
- Caromi: Driven out or killed by the humans who were seeking refuge from the floods.
- Quetzal: Become parrots! That or driven out by the Asura who had to seek refuge above ground.

[Lyssa]

I'm hoping the tengu will be a playable race when they release Cantha as an expansion pack. (Which I reckon they will do, if we solve the dragon crysis in the main game then Cantha will probably attack us next due to their new massively right-wing legion)
They did say initial races. If they follow their gameplan from last time and continue adding standalone campaigns then we'll be making new races when we start in Cantha, and personally I dont feel that the Norn, Charr, Sylvari or Asura have any real role to play there.
I'm thinking of the tengu as rebelling against the Canthans, at war or something. But other than humans... you've got me stumped for what the other canthan races might be.

[Breakfast Mc Rit]

The Canthan tengu were most definitely driven out of Cantha, along with the dredge and whatever else the new isolationist emperor, Usoku, didn't like. If they took refuge as far as Tyria or closer to Istan--if they had a chance to take refuge at all--or if they moved on to a part of the world we have yet to learn about is the real question.

Aside from the Angchu, the general tengu population seems unwilling to change and make amends with other intelligent life (unlike the charr, who had somewhat of an unspoken respect for heroes, and has started to develop more intellectually and technologically), so they may have doomed themselves in savagery. But I do hope this is not the case.

[Garreth MacLeod]

My guess (purely a guess) is the Angchu Tengu migrated to Elona. If they had gone to Tyria I think we would have seen at least one of them in the trailer somewhere.

[Archress Shayleigh]

Digital said:

I have a feeling we'll never see Cantha,even in future expansions:qq:Plus I read somewhere that Cantha has closed their doors so unless Tengu migrated to Tyria , I dont think were gonna see them

There are tengu in Tyria. Even if all the canthan tengu died, unless extinct by some otherworldly force, tengus should still be around Tyria. They are also intelligent (well, relatively intelligent) creatures. I reckon that they will be a playable race in a GW2 expansion.

[draxynnic]

Lyssa said:

They did say initial races. If they follow their gameplan from last time and continue adding standalone campaigns then we'll be making new races when we start in Cantha, and personally I dont feel that the Norn, Charr, Sylvari or Asura have any real role to play there.

They're not likely to go back to standalones - one of the reasons for making GW2 was that they decided that the campaign system wasn't sustainable in the long run. Instead they're planning to use a more traditional expansion system, being more careful about what new material (professions and, if they have more than aesthetic differences, probably races as well) they introduce.

[The Dead Walk!]

Looking at this concept art, I wonder if the tengu didn't evolve?

http://img14.imagesh...centaurgw2.jpg/

[Konig Des Todes]

That looks more like a Ravenform of a Norn, personally (and I hope it is!).

[The Dead Walk!]

Yeah, it does look more like a Norn.

I almost had something to contribute. :(

[pumpkin pie]

I am wandering how a-net is going to handle adding new playable races into GW2, since as we all know, when they add new playable profession into the game, they lost control of balancing and the rest is still being discuss and argue to death.

So, question, do you think, if tengu were to be added, will you/me/players be happy to play the new race and be contents that they have the same 5  (estimate) old professions?? I know I would want to. because if theres 5 profession they I'll definitely only make 5 characters.

[Sirius]

The creature in that picture is too large to be a tengu, and I don't think 250 years is going to see them grow a new set of limbs - so, no, I'd say a norn.

It's interesting that the centaurs and naga have actually been featured in the trailer, although they are presumably NPC-only races at this point, and probably mostly hostile. I'd be surprised if we don't see some tengu in the game but as far as a PC race goes they'd probably be reserved for a later expansion. There doesn't really seem much chance ArenaNet is just going to outright drop them, but there's more of a story to tell in Cantha than Tyria.

As for whether people will play them... well, let's just say they have their fans. There are a few people who seem to hate them as well, but not as many by a long shot (and the charr are in the same boat). The class/profession issue may play into it down the road, as if people think "well it's going to be a pain to start a new character so I'll just stick with what I have", that could reduce the number of people who play one, even if they originally wanted to. But that depends on what ArenaNet does with respect to game balance, so it's too early to make any predictions on it yet.

[Konig Des Todes]

pumpkin pie said:

I am wandering how a-net is going to handle adding new playable races into GW2, since as we all know, when they add new playable profession into the game, they lost control of balancing and the rest is still being discuss and argue to death.

So, question, do you think, if tengu were to be added, will you/me/players be happy to play the new race and be contents that they have the same 5  (estimate) old professions?? I know I would want to. because if theres 5 profession they I'll definitely only make 5 characters.

Though not lore, this does bring up a good point. Personally I think/hope Anet will add 1 race, 1 profession per campaign - if they do it by campaign. Because, as you imply, why rerole a new character just to be the same profession? cosmetic looks isn't enough, even more me. I wouldn't make more than one profession except maybe a PvP-only character, if they allow such. Another possibility that ANet will do is to add a new race or two, and every race have a "race-specific" profession. Asura=Golemancer, Sylvari=Druid, etc. That would give a slightly better reason to play certain races. As long as those races are not either overpowered or one of the "musts" like a healer (unless the different professions are just different versions - i.e. comparing a D2 Necromancer to a D2 Druid, both are summoners, and both play support, but the support style is different (one is offensive support, the other is defensive support)).

Buuut, now I'm getting off topic.

Sirius said:

It's interesting that the centaurs and naga have actually been featured in the trailer, although they are presumably NPC-only races at this point, and probably mostly hostile. I'd be surprised if we don't see some tengu in the game but as far as a PC race goes they'd probably be reserved for a later expansion. There doesn't really seem much chance ArenaNet is just going to outright drop them, but there's more of a story to tell in Cantha than Tyria.

I think the reasoning for this (btw, are centaurs shown in game in the trailer? or is it just concept art?) is that they are the only hostile models created yet. Aside from the Naga, I only recall deer-like creatures in the Charr Homelands, and then birds in the game. Excluding playable characters. So it could be either that they haven't added the models yet, or they cleared out all hostiles for the trailer.

I wouldn't be surprised for either, especially since for the Sorrow's Furnace trailer, they used brand new models that were never seen in game (a Stone Summit on a cart whipping Dolyaks pulling the cart full of Onyx stones).

[Gmr Leon]

Konig Des Todes said:

I think the reasoning for this (btw, are centaurs shown in game in the trailer? or is it just concept art?) is that they are the only hostile models created yet. Aside from the Naga, I only recall deer-like creatures in the Charr Homelands, and then birds in the game. Excluding playable characters. So it could be either that they haven't added the models yet, or they cleared out all hostiles for the trailer.

The Centaurs were only shown in concept art, not in-game.

[ArlanKels]

What I'm expecting is that there'll be a Canthan expansion/campaign that'll be released, much like Factions.

This will have three playable races, two new ones.  Humans, Tengu and Warden.

In Tyria Tengu have never demonstrated a friendly or peaceful approach, whereas in Cantha they live and fight alongside Humans.
Wardens only seem to have become hostile toward Humans and everyone due to the Jade Wind, and so decades later it'll probably finally wear off and let them return to a more friendly status.


Then I can see an Elonan expansion that includes Humans, Centaurs and perhaps the Undead as three races.

But I'm a crazy little midget.

[Konig Des Todes]

The issue with non-human races in Cantha is that Usoku exiled/killed them all off. Some might have been able to retreat south and still be in the continent though. But I doubt the Wardens would leave the Echovald Forest. Dredge would probably retreat underground - it is possible some survived in Cantha. Naga may be able to survive along the coast or in the Jade Sea, but not that well, I'd assume.

How they do Cantha, if they do, will be interesting to see, to be honest.

[ArlanKels]

Konig Des Todes said:

The issue with non-human races in Cantha is that Usoku exiled/killed them all off. Some might have been able to retreat south and still be in the continent though. But I doubt the Wardens would leave the Echovald Forest. Dredge would probably retreat underground - it is possible some survived in Cantha. Naga may be able to survive along the coast or in the Jade Sea, but not that well, I'd assume.

How they do Cantha, if they do, will be interesting to see, to be honest.

You can exile them and try to exterminate them, but that'll most likely lead up to the point of the expansion, which is a revolt against the current regime and an attempt to reestablish peace between all the races of Cantha.  Your Human/etc characters will most likely be the rebellious individuals, striking out against the empire ala Sunspears against Varesh.
My personal opinion.
:D

[Sirius]

I too am kind of seeing Cantha as a "Chinese revolution"-style chapter, in this case perhaps of the people in squalid Kaineng City, possibly backed by other oppressed parties such as other races (although they'd have to be pretty much in hiding with Usoku's ultimatum), against a totalitarian regime.

If they follow up with the prophecy cited by Talon during EotN, though, I doubt the Tengu would stay in Cantha even if they have so far. It sounded distinctly like ArenaNet intended to give them a homeland somewhere.

[Konig Des Todes]

My point was that more than likely there wouldn't be any (or would be an immense lack of) non-human races. Which causes a problem with the multiple playable races thing.

Unless, of course, they expand the map south and make the characters "Southern Canthan" who are in a war with the Empire of the Dragon.

BTW, an annoyance with Cantha and the Empire of the Dragon - according to the Prima Guide for Factions, Cantha is the name of the Empire, and so Cantha is both a continent (how far would it span?) and the Empire.

Another naming annoyance like Tyria (world) and Tyria (continent)...

Sirius said:

If they follow up with the prophecy cited by Talon during EotN, though, I doubt the Tengu would stay in Cantha even if they have so far. It sounded distinctly like ArenaNet intended to give them a homeland somewhere.

Forgot about that prophecy. I wouldn't be surprised if the Angchu left peacefully with knowing of Tyria and the Tengu races there (Talon would more than likely bring news of the Queztal back after the Great Destroyer's death), however the Sensali, I doubt would leave easily.

[warriorsmaykill]

Didnt The Tengu of Tyria live near LA so its possible when they move to tyria they went to live with their LA counterparts and ended up being washed out by the floods
Maybe i few would have survived on the remnants of LA

[Konig Des Todes]

The Caromi do live in Kryta. However, I am unsure how the Angchu/Sensali would know of them, aside from rumors.

Also, we don't even know if some Tengu made it out alive.

[Ethereal]

I am willing to go with the possibility that they migrated to Tyria.

[draxynnic]

Konig Des Todes said:

Though not lore, this does bring up a good point. Personally I think/hope Anet will add 1 race, 1 profession per campaign - if they do it by campaign. Because, as you imply, why rerole a new character just to be the same profession? cosmetic looks isn't enough, even more me. I wouldn't make more than one profession except maybe a PvP-only character, if they allow such. Another possibility that ANet will do is to add a new race or two, and every race have a "race-specific" profession. Asura=Golemancer, Sylvari=Druid, etc. That would give a slightly better reason to play certain races. As long as those races are not either overpowered or one of the "musts" like a healer (unless the different professions are just different versions - i.e. comparing a D2 Necromancer to a D2 Druid, both are summoners, and both play support, but the support style is different (one is offensive support, the other is defensive support)).

Problem with this is that then most people would only be playing those professions with those races, so the starting zones of those races, at least to begin with, would be filled with members of "their" profession and little else. I suppose, though, this might not be such a problem if those zones are soloable and you get into mixed-race zones before you start wanting balanced parties.

Another incentive could arise naturally if GW2 has limited character slots like GW1 - especially if ANet makes it clear early on that buying expansions means you get more slots.

Konig Des Todes said:

BTW, an annoyance with Cantha and the Empire of the Dragon - according to the Prima Guide for Factions, Cantha is the name of the Empire, and so Cantha is both a continent (how far would it span?) and the Empire.

Just like, say, Australia. Most bodies of land that are dominated by a single nation will, sooner or later, share a name with that nation - either because the nation takes the name of the land, or the land comes to be known by the name of the nation. Cantha seems to claim the entire continent (although it's questionable how much control they had over the southeast, it might be because there's nothing there worth controlling), so "empire of Cantha" seems an entirely reasonable designation. Maybe the empire had a different name before it controlled the continent, or maybe the continent didn't HAVE a name until the Canthan Emperor decided to claim the lot and bequeathed the name of the empire to the continent.

It's certainly much less of an annoyance than Tyria being both the continent and the world. The world should be given its own name. :p

[Whisper]

draxynnic said:

It's certainly much less of an annoyance than Tyria being both the continent and the world. The world should be given its own name. :p

What? Theres a world outside Tyria? I call hoax on this one :P. On the race topic i suggest they make Proffesions available on all races...Just make the racial bonus something that won't matter in the end ^^.

[draxynnic]

Depends on what the professions are. For instance, if there's something like Dervish avatar forms, they probably shouldn't be available to Charr...

...unless, of course, each race has a different interpretation of the power - Charr using them might just turn into various forms of idealised Charr. However, I do find it noteworthy that there are no Charr with Dervish as either a primary or secondary profession in EOTN (unless you count giving Pyre a Dervish secondary).

[Var]

If we trust Talon's word, and there's really no reason not to do so, he and his people left Cantha before the Empire turned even more hatred upon their people. Under the Togo and his brother they had a very small amount of land on Shing-Jea and on the mainland (which they were rapidly being removed from by the Ministers). If their culture was to grow, they would have had to leave Cantha.

Given the relation between Togo and Talon, it's not too far fetched to say that the Togo's brother gave the Tengu wings (metaphorically speaking) to leave the Canthan continent for whatever land they wished to turn into their new homes. Heck, the Ministers would have probably given them everything they need to just get rid of them entirely from the continent.

So I'd guess they are somewhere on the Tyrian continent, revitalizing their stifled culture and we'll see them at some point in GW2 and maybe as a future race to play as (once their nation grows to a respectable level) in a future expansion.

As for the rest of the Tengu:
Sensali: Exterminated.
Avicara: Gone from everywhere but their main home in Mineral Springs, chased off if not killed off by the Dredge.
Caromi: Dead.
Queztal: Could have mixed with the Canthan breed, or be simply a neutral force in the world like centaurs.

[Gmr Leon]

I doubt the Caromi are dead. However, I find the rest of your post intriguing, what support do we have that the Tengu are slowly being pushed out of the small amount of land they have in Cantha? I don't recall any quests pertaining to such a topic. Likewise, where is it stated by Talon that his people have left Cantha? I don't recall ever having seen or read that dialogue either.

It doesn't sound farfetched, mind you, but I'd like to see the source material, so I know you're not just making stuff up or misremembering.

[Konig Des Todes]

Talon's dialogue:

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My people tell tales of the day when we will be free, when our lands will be revealed by a heavenly star and rise. When that day comes, human, only then will our races live in peace.

Everything else he said was theory, I think.

[Sirius]

And ... rise. If that's Orr, he got sold short.