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[Konig Des Todes]

Somehow I doubt it means Orr. Though Orr does fit the profile. It both rises, and Orr means light, and what does a star give off? Light. Though I doubt the star part was a metaphor - it is possible. And if it does mean Orr, then I would assume it would become Tengu land after Zhaitan and the undead army's death.

[Gmr Leon]

Sirius said:

And ... rise. If that's Orr, he got sold short.

Talon Silverwing said:

My people tell tales of the day when we will be free, when our lands will be revealed by a heavenly star and rise. When that day comes, human, only then will our races live in peace.

Actually, he may not have been. He said that only then would our races live in peace, and with the rise of the Elder Dragons, the races are being forced to unite, which in doing so may bring them to peace.

[Konig Des Todes]

I think Sirius was meaning the "our lands" part.

[Gmr Leon]

I know. However, I'm still thinking, based on his quote, that it never states anything of their reclaiming their land, so..

[Sirius]

I did wonder whether "heavenly star" was a reference to a god/goddess. The main thing is, it does sound quite a bit like something rising from the sea; just because the only one we've heard of is Orr, though, doesn't mean it is the only one there will be. The thought did amuse me though.

[Konig Des Todes]

A random thought came to mind. More than likely just a coincidence, but a funny one to me.

Zhaitan is most likely a reference to Shaitan, which is Islam for Satan. In Christianity, Satan's real name is Lucifer. And what does Lucifer mean? "light-bearer", "day star" or "morning star."

Just found it funny. Zhaitan reveals their land and rises. :p

[draxynnic]

Gmr Leon said:

I doubt the Caromi are dead. However, I find the rest of your post intriguing, what support do we have that the Tengu are slowly being pushed out of the small amount of land they have in Cantha? I don't recall any quests pertaining to such a topic.

The quest were you have to grease a minister's palm and don't have the option to, say, dob said minister in to the Emperor's Voice.

Regarding the Orr theory... it is interesting. We don't know just how far sough Cantha actually is, but we do know that the Battle Isles are close enough to have copped it when Orr rose. Could the current Tengu distribution - the lands of Tyria surrounding Orr, and Cantha - be a sign that the Tengu actually originally came from Orr? (Maybe the breakdown of peaceful coexistance between humans and Tengu on the Orrian peninsular was among the wars that apparently happened before the Bloodstones were seperated, but of which we hear very little.)

Alternatively, it could just be that everybody else will decide they don't want Orr after Zhaitan is defeated, and allow the Tengu move in.

[Var]

Gmr Leon said:

I doubt the Caromi are dead. However, I find the rest of your post intriguing, what support do we have that the Tengu are slowly being pushed out of the small amount of land they have in Cantha? I don't recall any quests pertaining to such a topic. Likewise, where is it stated by Talon that his people have left Cantha? I don't recall ever having seen or read that dialogue either.

It doesn't sound farfetched, mind you, but I'd like to see the source material, so I know you're not just making stuff up or misremembering.

The reason I suspect the Caromi to be gone, is because they are only really seen in the immediate area around Lion's Arch, past that they are rarely seen in large numbers. If the Ascalonian settlement also grew over time, they'd have lost even more of their land northwards and been forced to that low plateau between LA and the Ascalonian Settlement. The Caromi fate is a complete theory, though, they could have escaped...

As for Cantha, there is a quest where you have to pay to save the lands of a large settlement of Tengu on the rooftops of the city. The underlying information of the quest shows that the Tengu are losing all of their former lands on the mainland. All they really had in Factions that they could call a home was on Shing Jea.

[Reiden221]

Tengu, ya sure they would be cool, but there are no Tengu Heroes...
What about Zhed Shadowhoof and the Centaurs.  Granted he was in Nightfall but he was one of the Heroe's, your travelling companion... I would hope they would be on the list for playable races as well.  He was an ally even before the Charr, Asura, or the Norn...

[captainnl]

Zrevyx said:

Tengu, ya sure they would be cool, but there are no Tengu Heroes...
What about Zhed Shadowhoof and the Centaurs.  Granted he was in Nightfall but he was one of the Heroe's, your travelling companion... I would hope they would be on the list for playable races as well.  He was an ally even before the Charr, Asura, or the Norn...

I agree that Centaurs would be a nice new expansion race aswell.

Anyway there were Tengu henchmen though and there weren't sylvari henchmen or heroes either so that doesn't say very much.

[Margonite Ascendant]

Elonian centaurs are awesome...even if mules in the words of King Joko.

[Tenicord]

Yeah I was sad and surprised that Tengu weren't a playable race... I'm certain they will be in an expansion, unless lore-wise something happened to them.

For now I can imagine them being a faction that helps us out. Kinda how the they were in Factions.. or like Dwarfs in Prophices... so I'm sure they will be there. (I hope!)

[Konig Des Todes]

Zrevyx said:

Tengu, ya sure they would be cool, but there are no Tengu Heroes...

You sure about no Tengu heroes? May not be a game mechanic hero, but a lore hero.

[Var]

Konig Des Todes said:

You sure about no Tengu heroes? May not be a game mechanic hero, but a lore hero.

If we follow hero logic... when can I expect to be able to play as R.O.X. or one of the other models?

[Jecoma]

You are ripping it out of context, poster above me.

[Konig Des Todes]

Var said:

If we follow hero logic... when can I expect to be able to play as R.O.X. or one of the other models?

R.O.X. is a villian, G.O.X. and M.O.X. might be seen in GW2, but I highly doubt it. Besides, Golems are not playable nor are they biological and thus cannot have descendants.

As Jecoma said, you are taking it way out of context.

By the descendant of races argument/logic, what we can expect is the possibility of Dredge, Centaur, Tengu, Mursaat, Forgotten, and Seer. The former three being highly unlikely, however.

[Sirius]

Latter? I think the former three are more likely than anything else personally. :)

[Konig Des Todes]

...That's kind of what I said, later three being unlikely. Meaning the former three being more likely. Naga and Grawl are also possible, but who knows how cultured they are in GW2.

[Throan Loremaker]

It would be awesome if they ANet added Tengu and possibly Forgotten as playable races in an expansion, but I think the friendly Tengu population is so small after they were hunted out of Cantha that there is simply too few to become playable. Same with Forgotten, only that they seem to have the same role as the dwarves.

As for Tyrian Tengu and Naga, I think these will (like the Centaur) be either servants of one of the dragons, or have their own tribes that will be our enemies in the beginning/middle of the game.

[Sirius]

Sorry, what I was saying is, I think you typoed. :)

Konig Des Todes said:

The former three being highly unlikely, however.

[Konig Des Todes]

Who said that the Tengu or other races have to be friendly? Charr hardly are friendly, yet we will be able to play them. All that matters is really that the race has a culture to it. Which those I said above do seem to have - Grawl are questionable in GW1, but could gain one in GW2.

[Gmr Leon]

Konig Des Todes said:

Naga and Grawl are also possible, but who knows how cultured they are in GW2.

Er..? We know the Naga held a culture of a higher level than that of the Grawl. If anything, the Grawl would be the lowest likelihood, with the Naga being among the Dredge, Centaur, and Tengu in likelihood of being playable.

[Konig Des Todes]

You misunderstood me Leon. I wasn't meaning the Naga were uncultured in GW1, for the Naga I meant that due to their exile from Cantha, we don't know how they're affected in GW2. It may be there's just this one settlement with them left. Or they could be thriving in the Unending Ocean, or whatever.

[Free Runner]

As i've expressed many times i'm betting that the Tengu are going to be a playable race in an expansion.

The lack of info surrounding them in GW2 just makes them more suspicious, i mean have we actually heard anything of the Tengu at all in anything to do with GW2? i dont recall them ever being mentioned throughout the Movement of the World or any of the GW2 lore or the interviews regarding whats going on in Tyria. We've had mention of the Centaurs quite a few times, we know they are fighting the Humans in Kryta. But where are the Tengu? the Tengu who were, unless i imagined it, on the same scale as the Tyrian Centaurs and would likely also fight the Krytans for land.

My thoughts on Cantha are that it is possibly in a state of war, between Non-Humans and the Empire. Cantha holds the more stubborn races of Tyra and i have a feeling they didnt just run off from the homelands they had resided in for centuries. Theres also the point that if Anet do reintroduce Cantha in an expansion isnt there going to be a conflict between the Tyrians and the Canthan Empire? if they still maintain the "No Non-Humans" policy isnt it going to cause trouble when the Charr, Sylvari, Asura and Norn start flooding in?

[draxynnic]

I suspect that either Cantha's government will have changed in two hundred and fifty years, or when we get there we'll be fighting on the side of the nonhumans (and Luxons and Kurzicks, maybe) against the Empire.

[Thalador]

You mean the Kurzicks, the Luxons and all the unhuman races will ally against the Empire? Hmmm... I've seen something similar before /endsarcasm* (Star Wars, Galactic Empire vs Rebel Alliance which consists other non-human races as well).

* It's not against you Draxynnic, and I like the idea that we can fight against the Empire! (I hope the Imperials will have some kind of superweapon, like a modified version of the Gods' Vengeance. :P)

[Klofange Fiercehunter]

I was thinking that as the emperor 'united' the nation and exiled all other races, then a rebellion formed by what small amounts is left of the once again united kurzick and luxon (I know uniting again but coming together to battle common foes appears to be what they do best) and tengu in the southernmost region.

our heroes of tyria from all five races go to cantha to increase their numbers by raising an army (due to cantha probably being the largest population of humans) on arrival however the tyrian heroes are arrested for being non human and are later busted out by  a tengu who once turned on his own kind in the name of the emperor, being involved in the main exile (of which he was exempt for being a descendant of talon and thus a long line of imperial bodyguards) feels guilty and is now a mole for the rebellion, you raise a lager army within cantha to take on the emperor and try and gain the allegiance of the long suppressed population in a hope to gain help against the dragons, soon you realise how underdeveloped cantha is (similar to Japan after their separation from the rest of the world) and new secret trade channels are established in the jade sea with the rest of tyria (but this may not be possible due to Mr. undead dragon so ignore this).

the rebellion begins there assault however the dragons forces finally begin attacking cantha, the emperor realising his people stand no hope without these strangers combines his army with the rebellion thus tengu are tentatively excepted back into canthan society and the luxon and kurzicks re-establish. So in a possible expansion the tengu start as part of the rebellion in the south, just my thoughts and there are probably loads of reasons why this can’t occur but never mind

Edited by Klofange Fiercehunter, 01 September 2009 - 07:34 PM.

[draxynnic]

I doubt you've got the details right, but the general gist could fit. I suspect we won't get to Cantha until Zhaitan is taken out... but if that takes everything we've got and there are still four (or more...) dragons to go, going for reinforcements may happen.

[Rever]

Other than the concept art in the trailer, you see no instances of ingame enemies lumbering around. You only see (what I precieve as) toons running (and jumping) around the land scape and some NPCs walking around towns (Norn, Asuran and Sylvari). The Naga in the water could be friendly NPCs or they could be the developers only real representation of something moving in the water at present. Other than that you don't see any enemies so it leads me to believe that the Naga were not enemies (Like the few Ancents you run into in here and there).

I know you see one of the dragons just laying around but we don't know if that is a enemy or if it is just apart of the landscape at this point. The rest of the trailer was concept art.

SIDE NOTE: I will point out that it seems everyone moves pretty quick (Human and Charr examples) which I think will help keep the game exciting and fast paced.

[Johan]

Rever said:

Other than the concept art in the trailer, you see no instances of ingame enemies lumbering around. You only see (what I precieve as) toons running (and jumping) around the land scape and some NPCs walking around towns (Norn, Asuran and Sylvari). The Naga in the water could be friendly NPCs or they could be the developers only real representation of something moving in the water at present. Other than that you don't see any enemies so it leads me to believe that the Naga were not enemies (Like the few Ancents you run into in here and there).

I know you see one of the dragons just laying around but we don't know if that is a enemy or if it is just apart of the landscape at this point. The rest of the trailer was concept art.

SIDE NOTE: I will point out that it seems everyone moves pretty quick (Human and Charr examples) which I think will help keep the game exciting and fast paced.

How can you say that the naga aren't enemys out of that trailer...