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#571 KQ

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 06:30 PM

For whatever reason, I have four DotA 2 invites in my Steam inbox. If you want one, feel free to ring me a bell.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 06:18 PM

So... I'm quite confused.

Is Dota a buy to play game or something? I've heard a lot of people talking about it so I thought I would check it out. I looked at it on Steam and it has a price of £22.99. Yet it already says that I own the game and I can download it. Then when I googled it, apparently the game is only in beta, so I'm guessing I can play the beta now and then pay for the game when it comes out?

If anyone could explain this, I would be appreciative :)

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 08:14 PM

Pwned some lovely people today.

I have two Dota 2 keys left if someone's interested.

View PostRobsy128, on 08 December 2012 - 06:18 PM, said:

So... I'm quite confused.

Is Dota a buy to play game or something? I've heard a lot of people talking about it so I thought I would check it out. I looked at it on Steam and it has a price of £22.99. Yet it already says that I own the game and I can download it. Then when I googled it, apparently the game is only in beta, so I'm guessing I can play the beta now and then pay for the game when it comes out?

If anyone could explain this, I would be appreciative :)

Yeah it's still in beta, but you can buy it, i think you get some extra stuff if you do. You can get a Dota 2 key for free but then you don't get the stuff and i'm not sure if you will be able to play with a beta account when  it goes live.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 08:39 PM

View PostRobsy128, on 08 December 2012 - 06:18 PM, said:

So... I'm quite confused.

Is Dota a buy to play game or something? I've heard a lot of people talking about it so I thought I would check it out. I looked at it on Steam and it has a price of £22.99. Yet it already says that I own the game and I can download it. Then when I googled it, apparently the game is only in beta, so I'm guessing I can play the beta now and then pay for the game when it comes out?

If anyone could explain this, I would be appreciative :)

You can buy into the beta and get early access if you want. I would personally advise against it because even though you get a few free items, so many people have so many leftover invites, all you have to do is ask and you should be able to find one. The reason it shows up on your account is because all f2p games on Steam are listed as being available in everyone's library even if you've never downloaded it. Anyone not in the beta though can only download the spectator client which let's you watch games to your heart's content.

When the game goes live, it'll still be completely f2p. Anyone can download and play it without ever dropping a dime. All the heroes - past, present, and future - will be free too for all eternity.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 08:59 PM

View PostBabyChooChoo, on 08 December 2012 - 08:39 PM, said:

Anyone not in the beta though can only download the spectator client which let's you watch games to your heart's content.

When the game goes live, it'll still be completely f2p. Anyone can download and play it without ever dropping a dime. All the heroes - past, present, and future - will be free too for all eternity.

Oh... so I guess I'm only downloading the spectator client at the moment?
£22.99 seems very expensive just for a beta access key...

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 09:03 PM

Could anyone send me a key via mail? :)
I'll edit this post once I got one, so I don't get multiple keys.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 02:38 PM

View PostGilles VI, on 08 December 2012 - 09:03 PM, said:

Could anyone send me a key via mail? :)
I'll edit this post once I got one, so I don't get multiple keys.

What's your mail?

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 03:08 PM

View Postjirayasan, on 10 December 2012 - 02:38 PM, said:

What's your mail?

This guru mail?

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 03:29 PM

View PostGilles VI, on 10 December 2012 - 03:08 PM, said:

This guru mail?

No. I need a real mail to send it. Like a hotmail.

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 01:25 PM

No, but thanks for asking.

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 10:09 AM

View PostDuanheim, on 24 December 2012 - 01:25 PM, said:

Anyone with spare key? I would love to try this game.

Steam: Duanheim or PM me

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 11:56 AM

The amount of Dota 2 invites is flooding my steam inventory, as I assume it is those of other people. So if anyone needs one (or two, or a dozen) send me a PM!

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 10:41 AM

I have six beta keys if anyone wants in. Just shoot me a PM or something.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 02:53 PM

Sooo... Supposedly Dota 2 will be f2p.

By the way, I still have thirteen keys left. (I think they sent out another round yesterday.) For anyone who still wants one: Let me know.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 08:00 PM

I thought everyone knew that.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 10:08 PM

View PostBaradaki, on 23 January 2013 - 08:00 PM, said:

I thought everyone knew that.

I saw people earlier in this thread speculating about that; I just didn't notice the dates.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 12:31 AM

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 07:17 AM

Recently been playing this and have been enjoying Jakiro a hell of a lot. I have decent experience playing HoN so the switch over isn't too jarring. Still a pain to have to re-learn all the item names and heroes again.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 07:07 PM

Hey guys, I've been really enjoying Dota 2, even started playing a little bit of public games...


... Aaaaaaaaaaaand it's gone.


That's just the worst feeling ever, when you're doing stuff at least somewhat right and your teammates are just doing things so, so, so wrong...

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 08:22 AM

Aaaand that is why the community in most moba games is ass. It's really easy to do bad. This leads to ostracizing of bad players. My biggest issue is the time it takes to get matchmaking... and Russians.

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 09:06 PM

View PostCorsair, on 02 February 2013 - 08:22 AM, said:

Aaaand that is why the community in most moba games is ass. It's really easy to do bad. This leads to ostracizing of bad players. My biggest issue is the time it takes to get matchmaking... and Russians.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 04:21 PM

View PostCorsair, on 02 February 2013 - 08:22 AM, said:

Aaaand that is why the community in most moba games is ass. It's really easy to do bad. This leads to ostracizing of bad players. My biggest issue is the time it takes to get matchmaking... and Russians.

All Mobas have their problems with the community, but Dota 2 takes it to a new level, imo. When I played the game, i usually ended up playing with 3-4 russians who proceded to talk russian. That's okay, if that makes it easier for them to share important information. The problem is, they always asumed I was russian too and spoke to me in that language, to which I could only reply: "In english pls?" which was followed by silence. Now luckily I have enough experience with Mobas to not be depended on informations they give me. But it was still rather unsettling to play in such silence, that was only broken by foreign sentences. Even if it's sounds surreal, playing Dota 2 almost felt to me, like getting lost in a foreign country, where no one understands and you just try to find your way home.

Well then there is also the terribly slow gameplay and that crazy delay between input of a command and execution. No, I rather stay with HoN. It has everything that Dota 2 does right, without the many things it does wrong.

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 04:19 AM

View PostBuddhaKeks, on 04 February 2013 - 04:21 PM, said:

All Mobas have their problems with the community, but Dota 2 takes it to a new level, imo. When I played the game, i usually ended up playing with 3-4 russians who proceded to talk russian. That's okay, if that makes it easier for them to share important information. The problem is, they always asumed I was russian too and spoke to me in that language, to which I could only reply: "In english pls?" which was followed by silence. Now luckily I have enough experience with Mobas to not be depended on informations they give me. But it was still rather unsettling to play in such silence, that was only broken by foreign sentences. Even if it's sounds surreal, playing Dota 2 almost felt to me, like getting lost in a foreign country, where no one understands and you just try to find your way home.

Well then there is also the terribly slow gameplay and that crazy delay between input of a command and execution. No, I rather stay with HoN. It has everything that Dota 2 does right, without the many things it does wrong.
Dota 2 doesn't feel any slower to me, and I cut my moba teeth on HoN. The only delay I've seen is turn speed on movement (near instant in HoN which makes it feel more responsive) and a small cast time on my skills. Movement speed and kill time are near identical.

As for the Russians, I hear you. I don't often get paired with so many of them, but one or two isn't out of the question. Most of them have been bad but I've played with a few competent ones. Really, anytime you get a game large enough with a multi-national following this kind of thing will happen. It's just unfortunate that moba design makes this effect far more evident and negative for a multi-cultural userbase. What Valve can do is try to use the voice commands and activate them upon some specific words typed regardless of the language to help bridge the gap.

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 08:20 AM

I have played dota 2 a lot recently and have come up with a few opinions regarding good/bad heroes:

overplayed/easier to use: sniper, ursa, viper, phantom lancer, zeus, spirit breaker, life stealer, axe, keeper of light, pudge, lion

underplayed/needs buffing:
-dark seer: terrible ultimate, other skills are only okay
-IO: no stuns, no big damage, one escape skill
-tiny: one stun not much else just a tanky hero
-elder titan: probably in the top 3 the least played hero from what i've seen, skills are easily avoidable due to cast times/delay otherwise just another tanky hero
-nightstalker: good at night with good gear, otherwise mediocre
-faceless void: needs gear to make skills worthwhile otherwise skills are marginally useful at best
-spectre: needs gear for dmg, no stuns
-meepo: rarely see him played, skills seem okay, I personally have not used him more than once or twice
-storm spirit: basically a poor man's zeus
-chen: underplayed because hes a boring hero, good for healing and teleporting
-pugna: average hero not a fan of his ulti since it requires that the enemy basically be unaware that you are sitting there draining

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 09:24 PM

what did i just read.

please tell me that's a meme from somewhere

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 10:34 PM

I tried it, even multiple times because it's such a big name, but after lol it feels so slow...
the movement, the attacks and skills, and just the match in general feels so slow...

Is this because I play at the lowest of lowest lvl, or is it always like that?

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 10:47 PM

View Postlazykoala, on 17 September 2013 - 08:20 AM, said:

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am assuming u r new to  Dota or Moba games in general so plz dont take this the wrong way am not making fun of u coz at some point i said some stuff close to wht u said probably from playing alot of normal warcraft 3 and Dday judgment before playing dota

u should find a beginners guide to MOBA games in general, for instance:
Void is a carry hero he needs alot of farm so in the end game he becomes very strong (fat or fed in dota terms) and "carry" the rest of the team to victory
Storm and tiny are ganker heroes (storm is also a very strong late game hero but requires high skill ) tiny if lvled high enuf can insta kill other heroes with his stun & toss combo
Chen is a support hero , he heals other teamates amplify their dmg and use the creeps he control to help kill heroes and much more

in the end, my opinion of dota 2 is tht its very very slow compared to other MOBA games like HON (Heroes of newerth ) its not for me tbh
but i do think it has superior graphics and animations

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 05:05 AM

View PostBeso, on 17 September 2013 - 10:47 PM, said:

am assuming u r new to  Dota or Moba games in general so plz dont take this the wrong way am not making fun of u coz at some point i said some stuff close to wht u said probably from playing alot of normal warcraft 3 and Dday judgment before playing dota

u should find a beginners guide to MOBA games in general, for instance:
Void is a carry hero he needs alot of farm so in the end game he becomes very strong (fat or fed in dota terms) and "carry" the rest of the team to victory
Storm and tiny are ganker heroes (storm is also a very strong late game hero but requires high skill ) tiny if lvled high enuf can insta kill other heroes with his stun & toss combo
Chen is a support hero , he heals other teamates amplify their dmg and use the creeps he control to help kill heroes and much more

in the end, my opinion of dota 2 is tht its very very slow compared to other MOBA games like HON (Heroes of newerth ) its not for me tbh
but i do think it has superior graphics and animations

Uh what? I don't think you understood what I wrote, but I'll assume English isn't your first language since you are from Egypt. It's just an opinion on good/bad heroes from a lot of play time experience. I think you can assume someone who has played a lot will understand the different hero roles so that is clearly an misunderstanding on your part.

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 07:11 AM

View Postlazykoala, on 17 September 2013 - 08:20 AM, said:

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You know, most of those heroes that you listed there are top tier heroes used by pros. Io requires a good carry partner and has the ability to add 2 more bodies to a fight ANYWHERE on the map, in addition to increasing health and mana regen of the bonded hero. It should be said though, that he is a high skill hero, requiring more effort than most. Faceless Void and Spectre are 2 of the strongest hard carries in the game. Their role is to farm early and wreck late due to the scaling on their skills. Tiny doesn't see a lot of play but is a fantastic ganker. His abilities synergize with the throw and stun doing more damage if used in tandem. NS is another fantastic ganker, a midgame madman who can dive through towers and his ultimate allows him to be a threat at almost any time. Storm Spirit is another good ganker, with his abilities giving him plenty of utility. He does have mana management issues which is why he isn't picked that often low tier, but he is nothing like Zeus and trying to play him in such a manner isn't good. Chen is a good jungler and transitions well into a mid/late game support role and is capable of giving teamwide buffs from controlled creep, adding a stun, taking down towers, etc etc. Very flexible and his ultimate heal is basically a second Mechanism. Meepo mostly isn't used due to his high skill floor, requiring constant micro to fully make use. Dark Seer is one of the best supports in the game, and that ultimate is nothing to laugh at. A good ult/vaccume combo can mean the difference between victory and defeat for a teamfight because it turns their own carry's power against them. Elder Titan's stun may be avoidable, but the sheer area it covers can make it difficult to avoid. And it can be used to combo off another stun by say, Sven. Not to mention the immense damage boost that Elder Titan can get from his spirit in early/mid game makes him incredibly dangerous, especially if you give him a Mask of Madness.

There is not one 'bad' hero in Dota 2, there are certainly some that are easier to use such as Sniper or hard to fight against like Pudge, as there should be. But that doesn't diminish the power of these you mentioned.

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I tried it, even multiple times because it's such a big name, but after lol it feels so slow...
the movement, the attacks and skills, and just the match in general feels so slow...

Is this because I play at the lowest of lowest lvl, or is it always like that?
Yes, the pacing in general, especially at lower skill levels, is slow. Spells are more expensive and mana regeneration is less across the board when compared with LoL, which will tend to slow down a game as people are more wary of ability use. At higher levels it speeds up a bit more and you end up with pre-creep ganks and fights for rune control, along with some more aggressive laning.

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 07:45 AM

View PostCorsair, on 18 September 2013 - 07:11 AM, said:

You know, most of those heroes that you listed there are top tier heroes used by pros. Io requires a good carry partner and has the ability to add 2 more bodies to a fight ANYWHERE on the map, in addition to increasing health and mana regen of the bonded hero. It should be said though, that he is a high skill hero, requiring more effort than most. Faceless Void and Spectre are 2 of the strongest hard carries in the game. Their role is to farm early and wreck late due to the scaling on their skills. Tiny doesn't see a lot of play but is a fantastic ganker. His abilities synergize with the throw and stun doing more damage if used in tandem. NS is another fantastic ganker, a midgame madman who can dive through towers and his ultimate allows him to be a threat at almost any time. Storm Spirit is another good ganker, with his abilities giving him plenty of utility. He does have mana management issues which is why he isn't picked that often low tier, but he is nothing like Zeus and trying to play him in such a manner isn't good. Chen is a good jungler and transitions well into a mid/late game support role and is capable of giving teamwide buffs from controlled creep, adding a stun, taking down towers, etc etc. Very flexible and his ultimate heal is basically a second Mechanism. Meepo mostly isn't used due to his high skill floor, requiring constant micro to fully make use. Dark Seer is one of the best supports in the game, and that ultimate is nothing to laugh at. A good ult/vaccume combo can mean the difference between victory and defeat for a teamfight because it turns their own carry's power against them. Elder Titan's stun may be avoidable, but the sheer area it covers can make it difficult to avoid. And it can be used to combo off another stun by say, Sven. Not to mention the immense damage boost that Elder Titan can get from his spirit in early/mid game makes him incredibly dangerous, especially if you give him a Mask of Madness.

There is not one 'bad' hero in Dota 2, there are certainly some that are easier to use such as Sniper or hard to fight against like Pudge, as there should be. But that doesn't diminish the power of these you mentioned.

Noone is classifying any heroes as absolutely bad or good...I was just generalizing mostly about what is underplayed or those that are clearly inferior in most situations. Sure if you have a premade group that synergizes well with a "lesser" hero it will make that hero look good, but for general gameplay there are definitely heroes that can't compete head to head. I gotta disagree about dark seer's ultimate too. It's just not very good and easily avoided by anyone who is mildly competent and even if it does work it usually isn't much of a threat. One on one or even sometimes in larger groups certain heroes flaws are pretty obvious.

Noone is going to say spirit breaker is weak after demolishing multiple enemies with one charge or omniknight is weak after single handedly keeping his entire team alive. The point is certain heroes are very useful in many if not all situations whereas others require specific situations to shine making them generally inferior.




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