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#61 Eldaran

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Posted 04 August 2011 - 07:30 PM

Yriel Fagoren said:

A game that forced you to farm in order to get all the heroes/spells etc... isn't competitive at all.

Cause you don't have the same cards that the others, It's unfair.

Arenanet gets it, and that's why I follow GW2 so closely ...

The real competitive people would make sure they BUY all the champions that they need in order to be competitive. Or you can continue being casual and play the free heroes. Your argument is invalid.

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Posted 04 August 2011 - 07:34 PM

Yriel Fagoren said:

A game that forced you to farm in order to get all the heroes/spells etc... isn't competitive at all.

Cause you don't have the same cards that the others, It's unfair.

Arenanet gets it, and that's why I follow GW2 so closely ...
I get your point, actually I am with you in the idea, but, I casually play LoL, and I just play with one single hero I really like, I can say I never feel the need to "farm" or "buy" any other hero, I have more wins than loses. I have many heroes unlocked but I feel happy with that single hero, and yes, I feel I can win, and I feel I am competitive with that hero.

(Side Note: Wow! how many times you need to use the word "I" in english, amazing, 14 times!)

#63 Yriel Fagoren

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Posted 04 August 2011 - 07:34 PM

Why must I PAY 5 ****ing bucks for the heroes that I want to play ?

Seriously, this is just stupid...

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Posted 04 August 2011 - 09:09 PM

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You mean LoL and HoN are NOT competitives?

Actually, I bet DOTA2 will be free to play, with locked heroes EXACTLY as you don't want.

LoL's competitive scene has had a harder time getting off the ground. It doesn't really have the support for it, not to mention that it's much more casual. HoN, for most of it's life, had ALL heroes unlocked upon purchase. It's also a much less forgiving game.

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Posted 05 August 2011 - 02:24 AM

Oh as far as the graphical presentation debate goes (for LoL v HoN) - I downloaded HoN yesterday and honestly had problems figuring out which of the creeps were friendly and which ones were enemy. :D A problem I never had in LoL. Even though they have different sprites, the color of their health bars and the size are pretty much the same, so in melee they kinda blend in visually. The ones in LoL are pretty similar looking in terms of their graphics, but the health bar colors make it much easier visually to distinguish between them.

And the shop is organized in a much more confusing way. It's easier to find an item if you know exactly what you're looking for, but if you don't, it requires quite a bit of clicking.

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Posted 05 August 2011 - 02:36 AM

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This photo was from just two years ago. This year's Proleague finals is going to be held at a smaller venue in Shanghai, but the allotted total of ~1000 tickets sold out within minutes.

The scene's not in the best of shape atm (two teams folded, one of the two television channels broadcasting BW is debating changing the channel's programming to focus more on music), but it's still by far the biggest esport in Korea.

Also, somehow, I feel like the HoN v LoL debate is out of place.
BW > SC2? Dang.

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The real competitive people would make sure they BUY all the champions that they need in order to be competitive. Or you can continue being casual and play the free heroes. Your argument is invalid.
That's a dumb way to see who is "really" competitive. If it's just people willing to open their wallet a bit that get to have the top tier potential, your system is derpin'.

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Posted 05 August 2011 - 03:19 AM

Mr. Mango said:

That's a dumb way to see who is "really" competitive. If it's just people willing to open their wallet a bit that get to have the top tier potential, your system is derpin'.
Seriously.

Perhaps the dynamic is a bit different in a dedicated PvP game, but it's widely accepted that GW's PvP scene stumbled extremely badly coming out of the gate simply because unlike in the beta events, accounts weren't fully unlocked for PvP.

Then again, the fact that LoL's competitive scene is flourishing despite most of their competitive players apparently needing to spend over $100 could indicate that they know something we don't.


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BW > SC2? Dang.
As much hype as there is about SC2 to us Western observers, it's nothing more than a sideshow in Korea.

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Posted 14 August 2011 - 11:33 AM

DOTA2 screenshots:

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GW2 = meh.

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Posted 14 August 2011 - 11:43 AM

Looks delicious

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Posted 14 August 2011 - 12:48 PM

OMG OMG OMG where did you find these? :O

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Posted 14 August 2011 - 02:16 PM

What's with the SHOP icon?

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Posted 14 August 2011 - 02:19 PM

Errr thats where you buy things?

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Posted 14 August 2011 - 02:26 PM

I never played DOTA. Is that like an in-game shop where you buy things with the in-game currency you obtain throughout the game or is that like a cash shop?

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Posted 14 August 2011 - 02:30 PM

upier said:

I never played DOTA. Is that like an in-game shop where you buy things with the in-game currency you obtain throughout the game or is that like a cash shop?

If DOTA2 will have a cash shop then it will be like LoL. It would be stupid to put a cash shop in-game.
GW2 = meh.

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Posted 14 August 2011 - 02:40 PM

Can't help but notice that it looks like they used Torchlight meshes and textures.

upier said:

I never played DOTA.
You collect gold by killing creeps / players, then you spend that gold on gear and potions and shit to better kill more creeps / players.

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Posted 14 August 2011 - 05:07 PM

Here's a 3rd screenshot:

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5th: Probably Roshan, the equivalent of Baron Nashor in LoL Posted Image

A comparison between the most successful MOBA games out there right now:

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Edited by Sock Puppet, 14 August 2011 - 05:16 PM.

GW2 = meh.

#77 Lemming

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Posted 14 August 2011 - 07:09 PM

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#78 Sock Puppet

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Posted 14 August 2011 - 07:22 PM

Lemming said:

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So true about the cartoonish style.
GW2 = meh.

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Posted 14 August 2011 - 07:22 PM

I like the style. It's a tad like LoL but you can defiantly tell it looks more like DoTA1.

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Posted 14 August 2011 - 07:30 PM

Their styles are all like WC3.

/silly_argument

#81 Muddlefoot

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Posted 14 August 2011 - 07:46 PM

I'm pretty new to all of these games so they all look very similar to me. If you asked me to tell the difference, I can't. Not knocking the games, just giving my fresh-to-the-scene opinion. They all look really interesting that I'm going to try them out.

Any suggestions on which one to start with? LoL or DOTA?

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Posted 14 August 2011 - 07:47 PM

Muddlefoot said:

I'm pretty new to all of these games so they all look very similar to me. If you asked me to tell the difference, I can't. Not knocking the games, just giving my fresh-to-the-scene opinion. They all look really interesting that I'm going to try them out.

Any suggestions on which one to start with? LoL or DOTA?

LoL is more "noob"friendly.
GW2 = meh.

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Posted 14 August 2011 - 08:03 PM

Muddlefoot said:

I'm pretty new to all of these games so they all look very similar to me. If you asked me to tell the difference, I can't. Not knocking the games, just giving my fresh-to-the-scene opinion. They all look really interesting that I'm going to try them out.

Any suggestions on which one to start with? LoL or DOTA?

In terms of how easy they are to pick up I would say

LoL > HoN > DoTA

For the current games that are available. LoL and HoN are free and DoTA is a Warcraft 3 map and is very limited in its interface due to it being a mod for another game.

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Posted 14 August 2011 - 08:06 PM

Ha, didn't know there was a third game in the genre. Ok thanks for the suggestions, Sock Puppet and Unholy Mouse.

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Posted 14 August 2011 - 09:23 PM

the dota2 screen shots look awesome.  i wonder if they have all the dota heroes already in dota2.

i'm siked for the tournament at gamescom.  i played a lot of hon, but never dota.  i was curious about what the dota equivalent hereos were, and how the metagames differed between the games, so i learned what i could about dota.  i tried to watch a couple pro games but the graphics and animations make it pretty hard to watch if you haven't played it.  even when i know that andromeda is a direct port of vengeful spirit from dota, i can't tell what a VS is doing when i watch a dota match.

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Posted 15 August 2011 - 03:14 AM

Never played lol or hon but want to jump into DotA 2 when it comes out. If I get rinsed hard oh well. Looks sweet.

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Posted 15 August 2011 - 07:15 AM

I definitely like the very clean UI on DotA 2, and the segmented health is a great feature to take from LoL. The party UI at the top is also great, death timers. I'm wondering what that thing is between them. A compass would be a little useless, so perhaps a clock? Anyway, it's looking coo.

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Posted 15 August 2011 - 05:06 PM

The UI looks so intuitive, I'm really digging it.
The art style is fine by me, I actually prefer it for a MOBA game.

I never played DotA/HoN/LoL but I tried Land of Chaos Online (LOCO) which is similar in its basis, but works in a third person vision instead of the rts style, it was cool to play for a bit but wasn't my thing that much for lack of friends to play with... but I'm definitely looking to play DOTA2, can't wait for gamescom. :D

Also...Shadow Fiend, let me play him, let me ;-;

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Posted 15 August 2011 - 05:15 PM

denn2ya said:

The UI looks so intuitive, I'm really digging it.
The art style is fine by me, I actually prefer it for a MOBA game.

I never played DotA/HoN/LoL but I tried Land of Chaos Online (LOCO) which is similar in its basis, but works in a third person vision instead of the rts style, it was cool to play for a bit but wasn't my thing that much for lack of friends to play with... but I'm definitely looking to play DOTA2, can't wait for gamescom. :D

Also...Shadow Fiend, let me play him, let me ;-;

He's a really hard to play hero in DoTA1. But he is fun as hell :)

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Posted 15 August 2011 - 11:13 PM

Trailer :D

I'm excited for this! Mostly because Valve is making it lol




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