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[Kaeyi]

Hi All, I have searched the forums and not found anything relating to what i wanted to discuss directly.

Now as most of us know whether we played it or not, WoW has a very distinct and unique armory that allows you to view players and their characters and even guild information such as server rankings and achievements.

This displays the gear a character has, how much rep and achieve points they have earnt and a ton of other things.

Now whether you like the idea of an armory system or not, there will always be pros and cons.

What do you think? Should GW2 have some sort of amory system so we can check out players we adore or check out the player who keeps ganking you in WvWvW??

Personally i feel that some sort of armory system would create a wider community allowing us to view other players and their achievements and guilds etc build up server community.

Let me know what you think and if you have any news or heard anything related to this.

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You shouldn’t be wondering what your friends are doing in-game; you should always be connected to them to chat. You should be able to help or otherwise contribute to your guild or the game. While we’ll be providing mobile and web apps for our Marketplace and Hero Viewer, along with functionality you’ve already seen in other MMOs, these are not what we refer to as extended experience components. Why, you ask? These applications, while useful, don’t really allow players to participate in the game world. The auction functionality of the Marketplace gets close, but it’s essentially a solo activity that has little to do with the actual gameplay experience. I know people will argue this point, but think of it this way: not many MMO players play a game just for the auction capabilities, but many play to socialize with their friends.

For those of you who were unable to attend PAX this year, I’ll describe our demonstration in more detail. We were showing an iPhone and iPad, both running a real-time world map display. We demonstrated the ability to watch your friends move around in the game and see dynamic events as they become active, all exactly as it’s happening in-game. We showed that users have the ability to chat instantly with anyone on their friends list. It’s the two-way connection with our servers that makes it possible to chat between a mobile device, located anywhere in the world, and in-game players.





Beyond communication, we’re exploring features that allow out-of-game friends to help in-game friends by locating places or items. Additionally, we will have a much tighter system for accessing and consuming wiki content. This will greatly reduce the need to continuously jump out of the game to access web sites for information.

Future features for our mobile world map will include the ability to select a player and open up the Hero Viewer, which shows information about that character: stats, equipment, achievements, etc. Further, the user will be able to select a piece of equipment and retrieve information about where that item came from: a location, an event, a certain boss, or even a portion of that player’s personal story. Mobile users will also have the ability to tap a location on the world map, causing their in-game friends to see a radar ping appear on the mini-map and world map. This is a great feature to help less-experienced friends and guildies learn their way around the Guild Wars 2 world.

This is just the start of where the Extended Experience Team is going. In the end, we will make all of our extended experience features tightly integrated with each other and the game, so that it becomes less and less important which piece of hardware you are using to experience Guild Wars 2.

Answers to common questions

Q: When you say “mobile,” what exactly does that mean?

    A: Initially, we will be offering applications that will run on iPhone, iPad, iPod, and Android smart phones.

Q: I don’t have a smart phone; will we have the same functionality on the web?

    A: Yes, we will provide similar functionality for web users.

Q: Does this mean I can play Guild Wars 2 on an iPad?

    A: Well, I’ll never say never. :) However, the iPad is certainly not the same caliber of gaming machine as a PC…yet. Having said that, there are certainly aspects of gameplay, not far from the experience on the PC, that a mobile user might be able to enjoy.

Q: All this social stuff sounds cool, but what if I don’t want my guild messaging me at work?

    A: Rest assured, we will not be doing anything that allows personal or private information to be shared, and we will provide functionality that allows you to determine who can contact you and when.

For the full blog post see: Here & Twitter: @ DeucesGuild

Edited by Kaeyi, 13 September 2011 - 02:54 PM.

[Zeus_CM]

it would be great feature for mobile apps they are making, imo.

[Arduin]

Try searching for equipment viewer or Hero viewer. That will point you to the information and discussions on this subject.

Heksar said:

I don't kwow if it is revealed yet but in case I missed it:

Will Guild Wars 2 have some sort of armory system where you can track down characters and view their info?

LSDie said:

Will the Gw2 oficial site have some kind of "armory" like wow and aion?
Will Anet allow addons like damage metters?

thanks

draco said:

Hi again,

cant find anywhere.. But will you be able to see other players equipment, setup, what skills, traits etc they are using?

Thats one thing I dont like about some mmorpg, when you can check out players outfit ingame or via a website..

As a pure pvper that I am, I dont want to show off my stuff to random unknown people just like that, if I have been trying for months to find the best setup for my gaming style.

Anyone know if that will be possible?

Thanks,

//draco

Neo Falchion said:

Hey,

in the 2 Final Fantasy Online games you can check the equipment of other players. (for example ->  http://imageshack.us...1029160333.png/ )

Will something like this be possible in gw 2?

Edited by Arduin, 12 September 2011 - 01:18 PM.

[Kaeyi]

I would love to see an armory app and a auction house/trading app considering how much thought they have put into how we trade between players.

Edited by Chalky, 12 September 2011 - 01:45 PM.
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[asuraele]

i loved the aion armory, and i always wished that the WoW mobile app could some how be used for other mmo's. If they streamlined an armory onto their website as well as their mobile app, its would be very cool. but do remember, after a while all our armors will plateau in stats, so the armor would be pretty boring to look at. the armor would have to include things such as what guilds they are in, mabey pvp rank. titles. just small stuff to replace what we wont see with the armor being all the same.

[Kaeyi]

I agree.. just simply gear would not be as interesting. Having things like pvp matchs win/loss or even how many dynamic events complete. Things that are material achievements.

Guild representation would be good also. Be able to look at one player and see the various guilds they are in.

Edited by Chalky, 12 September 2011 - 01:44 PM.
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[Agrik]

I stand against armory-style information about your characters.  If such a "feature" is added, I hope there is an option to enroll your character in the database or to choose not to.  If people want to know about your character they should interact with him/her in game.  I really don't like people knowing all information about other characters from an "armory,"  it spoils the r/p to an extent as well as immersion and fosters an environment of elitism IMO.

[Kaeyi]

OP Updated!!

Edited by Chalky, 12 September 2011 - 01:44 PM.
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[Thyar]

I totally support there being an "Armory"

As long as I've given the option for absolutely opting my characters in and out of it.

[hellspawnxxx]

Agrik said:

I stand against armory-style information about your characters.  If such a "feature" is added, I hope there is an option to enroll your character in the database or to choose not to.  If people want to know about your character they should interact with him/her in game.  I really don't like people knowing all information about other characters from an "armory,"  it spoils the r/p to an extent as well as immersion and fosters an environment of elitism IMO.

How does it spoil Immersion and foster elitism??? If someone thinks an armory will ruin thier RP or immersive experience dont go on the armory LoL. I never understand why people moan and whine about a feature they say hurts immersion when its not even in the game itselfs its on a website they have full control over not going too.

Secondly Elitism will be in GW2 wether you want it to or not they didnt want elitism in Guildwars 1 but it occured anyways rather then having to have the best stats on gear instead t do certain UW speed runs or other content such as you had to show in an item trade 300 of a type of item to get into the group.

There is nothing wrong with elitism if it doesnt affect you. if your a casual player then you shouldnt be trying to play with people who demand absolute perfection from your play anyways you wouldnt enjoy it. Cause ill tell you rignt now Ill be running an Elitist guild in GW2 and I will YELL at you if you screw up in a dungeon.

Thats why its not for everyone and again you have the choice to be part of an elitist atmosphere or not.

So will an armory hurt Immersion 'NO' cause you choose wether you use it and will Armory cause elitism 'NO' cause it will already be there and you just stay away from people like that.

[Tregarde]

I've never played WoW, so I don't know exactly how this "Armory" works. Does it allow you to view all this information on other characters, or just your own? If it works on other characters - then no, I see no reason for it. If GW2 were to implement something like that, I'd like there to be a privacy option, and that privacy mode was "on" by default.

As for being able to access the auction system from an app... I'm kind of divided on that issue. On the one hand I can see how it would be handy. On the other hand, it might give some people and 'advantage' over others, by being able to adjust prices at any time.

[Chalky]

I'd hope that the extended experience will provide features like this - especially since these features were available on the official site for games like Aion.

That's something that we really don't have a whole load of information about and it would be really interesting to see what it's going to include.

[Mintchip]

Yeah, even if they didn't have an ingame version, it would be nice if developers outside the game could make something like this.  I am hoping they don't keep server information/game data from us.

Edited by Naut, 13 September 2011 - 02:57 PM.
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[Kaeyi]

Mintchip said:

Yeah, even if they didn't have an ingame version, it would be nice if developers outside the game could make something like this.  I am hoping they don't keep server information/game data from us.

I am hoping enough people have knowledge of programming to make plenty of apps outside of the game.

Also a well developed item database would be nice.

:)

Edited by Naut, 13 September 2011 - 02:57 PM.

[Mintchip]

Yeah, I am hoping, or a hopeful dev!  Haha, I want to do what I can for the GW2 community.  It would be a waste if GW2 developers didn't embrace that :D

[Kaeyi]

:) nice are you going to be making videos for gw2 or just sticking to gamebreaker tv atm??

[Agrik]

hellspawnxxx said:

How does it spoil Immersion and foster elitism??? If someone thinks an armory will ruin thier RP or immersive experience dont go on the armory LoL. I never understand why people moan and whine about a feature they say hurts immersion when its not even in the game itselfs its on a website they have full control over not going too.

The spoilage here comes in interaction with other player-characters who prattle on about endless statistics about your character they should have no way of knowing, instead of judging and interacting with your character based on what they can observe (instead of clicking on some site to see what you've done and how many times you've done every little thing).  This is partially avoided by an "opt out" feature, again I suggest if there is some armoury people should be able to prevent it from posting information about their characters.

hellspawnxxx said:

Secondly Elitism will be in GW2 wether you want it to or not...

There will be all manner of things whether we want them or not, still better not to encourage them.  "Elite" folk should be insightful enough to judge things based on what they themselves observe rather than some artificial post of statistics compiled automatically by computer?

Anyway OP wanted to know who's for or against armoury and why, so that's my bit, I'm against it.

[ShadowABCXYZ]

Agrik said:

The spoilage here comes in interaction with other player-characters who prattle on about endless statistics about your character they should have no way of knowing, instead of judging and interacting with your character based on what they can observe (instead of clicking on some site to see what you've done and how many times you've done every little thing).  This is partially avoided by an "opt out" feature, again I suggest if there is some armoury people should be able to prevent it from posting information about their characters.

There will most likely be some sort of inspect system in-game where you can check out one's hero panel, pvp and all that kind of things, it is in no way elitist, it is simply a good convenience feature. If it was already in-game, it also makes sense to have it on an app for more convenience.

Having this DOES speed a lot of things up, and it is not elitist, say you wanted to go to a dungeon and needed some players, but some-one was trolling by coming up in full lvl1 gear instead, you would have no way of telling(especially if they transmuted it LOL).

Second of all, if Anet decide to not include such a good feature, just because it has one minor downside, other players will just think up new ways.

Thirdly, i dont see what is so wrong when other players talk about statistics and other, to be honest, I havent even seen that in WoW, sure there are gear requirements (and rightly so, otherwise you spoil 9 other peoples fun in a raid, selfish no?) but i have yet to see someone prattle on about other stats such as "OMG, ur largest crit was 1million? mine was 1.1million, lol noob" No, stats like this are rather fun to view and look at with friends.

[Mintchip]

Yeah, I think you might be confusing information that will help people make interesting and elaborate decisions in their own right - with A-holes.  People will always be elitist or dickish online.  Just going to happen, limiting information from individuals who are not jerks just because of some bad experiences or a caste system evolving within a gaming community is silly.  It will happen REGARDLESS.  

I mean, it's between playing the game and living in a box.  Both are a solution. :P

xoxo mint

Edited by Mintchip, 12 September 2011 - 03:46 PM.

[hellspawnxxx]

Tregarde said:

I've never played WoW, so I don't know exactly how this "Armory" works. Does it allow you to view all this information on other characters, or just your own? If it works on other characters - then no, I see no reason for it. If GW2 were to implement something like that, I'd like there to be a privacy option, and that privacy mode was "on" by default.

As for being able to access the auction system from an app... I'm kind of divided on that issue. On the one hand I can see how it would be handy. On the other hand, it might give some people and 'advantage' over others, by being able to adjust prices at any time.

Hahahaha why would a privacy option matter its not like facebook your boss wont see pictures of your toon heavly drinking and passing out. and there wont be nude pics of your char posted. thats just udderly obsured to think you would need a privacy filter Id love an explanation as to why you think that.

Secondly having a auction house app wouldnt give the app person an advantage it would actaully help balance the game more. The only people with an advantage are people who dont work and play GW2 8-10 hrs a day at home on thier PC. atleast with the auction house app a normal person who works 40hrs a week can quickly log on during a lunch break and manage thier auctions.

both of your opinions are silly and not well thought out at all.

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Agrik said:

The spoilage here comes in interaction with other player-characters who prattle on about endless statistics about your character they should have no way of knowing, instead of judging and interacting with your character based on what they can observe (instead of clicking on some site to see what you've done and how many times you've done every little thing).  This is partially avoided by an "opt out" feature, again I suggest if there is some armoury people should be able to prevent it from posting information about their characters.

There will be all manner of things whether we want them or not, still better not to encourage them.  "Elite" folk should be insightful enough to judge things based on what they themselves observe rather than some artificial post of statistics compiled automatically by computer?

Anyway OP wanted to know who's for or against armoury and why, so that's my bit, I'm against it.

your first comment makes no sence you make it sound like your charector will have this super secret build of stats and abilities which you want nobody to know about, which isnt the case GW2 is to streamlined for anyone to look at your armory and go 'ohhhhh thats why hes awesome'. Secondly I welcome the armory cause I hate and i mean hate with a passion people whispering me all the time asking where did you get that or whats your stats. I didnt buy the game to become a walking wiki site for someone thats what the armory is there for.

Also the armory is there to prevent liers from joining well organized groups. In WoW when im forming up a 25man raid and I know that 1 jackoff can wipe the group if hes not experienced when im inviting people I always had the armory open checking peoples profiles seeing if they know the fight and not just saying they do.

Pub groups isnt where you go to learn boss fights you learn that in guilds. armory helps keep the liers and badies out of pubs so that people who have put time into the game and wanna clear some content can.

And again LISTEN THIS TIME there is nothing at all wrong with elitism its a playstyle its how a group of people like to play. thats like saying ANET shouldnt help Role Players and or that PvP shouldnt be an Esport.

Why is it people have no problem with hardcore PvPers who are more demanding in thier requirements to join thier PvP team. But yet crap all over people who want a more seriouse hardcore style of PvE play in which we also require quality to join our ranks.

90% of the GW2 population will Casual PvP / PvE players the other 10% will be Competitive PvP teams and Elitist PvE Gamers. So what the hell is your problem you make it sound like if this app came out that everyone would turn elitist (which wont happen cause most people suck) and that you will eb left with no casual players to party with.

If it doesnt affect you why be against it you still ahve not in anyways shape or form showed a real concrete reason why a armory app would be deterimental to the community. So people dont care about talking to others some people just wanna compete. Im not a personable person at all in WoW my ignore list was full also was in GW1 too.

Sometimes you just wanna compare your progress with someone else's to give yourself a goal to attain. Just because people dont play the game you play as a casual interactive player doesnt mean everyone else should eather and it doesnt make them bad people for wanting to thier way so why discourage what they enjoy to do if it doesnt affect you.

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Mintchip said:

Yeah, I think you might be confusing information that will help people make interesting and elaborate decisions in their own right - with A-holes.  People will always be elitist or dickish online.  Just going to happen, limiting information from individuals who are not jerks just because of some bad experiences or a caste system evolving within a gaming community is silly.  It will happen REGARDLESS.  

I mean, it's between playing the game and living in a box.  Both are a solution. :P

xoxo mint

Understandable :(

Edited by hellspawnxxx, 13 September 2011 - 12:31 PM.

[Zeful]

I personally hate armory features with a passion, and hope that I can at least opt out of the thing.

Because I know that eventually someone with far too much time on his hands will declare X build as optimal and the idiotic elitist masses will demand that everybody run it or not run at all. With an Armory or Ping function they can enforce their method of play on others and restrict content based on arbitrary bullshit, which is unacceptable.

[Kaeyi]

For the full blog post see: Here

(:

[Thyar]

While we're at it here - in the same vein, and for much the same reasons why I want to be able to opt out of any sort of "Armory" - I also don't want skill/talent builds to be able to be linkable to other players in-game.

[Kaeyi]

Ugh really? I hated the way they were linked in GW. If it was linked nicely then yes.. but not like gw.

[raspberry jam]

ShadowABCXYZ said:

Having this DOES speed a lot of things up, and it is not elitist, say you wanted to go to a dungeon and needed some players, but some-one was trolling by coming up in full lvl1 gear instead, you would have no way of telling(especially if they transmuted it LOL).

What on earth are you talking about? If they wanted to "troll" they would wear real gear when joining and then change to their level 1 gear when you're like one hour in.

But why would anyone do that??

[Kaeyi]

I personally would love to see this implemented, i feel it would make the game 1 million times better for me.

Especially as a guild leader being able to chat to my guildies from my ipad, i mean wow thats awesome!!!

[Nemi]

I'm not much of a fan of such a thing, myself. For one, I don't really care what ranks or achievements other people have (because really, why should I?), and their equipment is hardly more interesting except perhaps if I wanted to know what type of equpment it is in case I like it and would like to have such a thing too, but that is info that I could just as well look up on the wiki or I could straight out ask them.

No, much rather it might serve as a means for people wanting to hack into other's accounts to determine who to try it with for maximum profit, as such a thing might help to give them an idea how much that person plays and how much stealable stuff they might have (just as much as a fancy house and car are more likely to attract the wrong kind of attention). And of course there is the elitism thing, but that's been discussed already. On that note, the HoM being available to check out for anyone just by entering their name already bugged me enough. I know several people whose accounts were hacked shortly after it was released, all of them had a high count of points and I guess it's not too far off to speculate their achievements being visible to anyone who checked might have been a factor.

If they feel they have to implement somthing like that, I hope it will only be basic information that anyone could procure by themselves anyway (such as the type of weapon or armour you have on you, but not their specific stats). Anything else is really of no importance to me. I don't care at all if you are an awesome super slayer of everything in existence, and I see no reason why you should care whether or not I am.

[spadd]

Things that i would love from an armory:

1. A picture with how my character looks. Not necessarily show my stats, gear and skills, but rather be purely cosmetic. I'd love to be able to show off how my character looks. (This has been added to wow-armory about an year ago, and it's very cool)

2. Achievements. I'd love to be able to show off my achievements, and also to keep track of what my friends and guild mates achieve.

3. Guilds. It would be cool to be able to check a guild on the armory, see how many member it has, who are the officers, and see guild achievements (if such a thing exists in guild wars 2)

So, basically, I'd like GW2 to have an armory so i can show off. :D ;) :p