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#1 Klaupatiuz Lem

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Posted 07 October 2011 - 12:04 AM


So, this probably could have gone in News & Announcements, but since it's more about fans of GW2 and not the game itself, I put it here.

What do you think?
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Posted 07 October 2011 - 12:15 AM

Well all I can say to that blog post is..

the only other serious response I can think of is, wait until the game comes out, then see how much of all this was hype ;)
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Posted 07 October 2011 - 12:28 AM

He has a point. Rabid fanboyism helps no-one, and grossly misrepresents this community.

I hereby decree all trolling and misinformation about Guild Wars 2 be met with friendly chatter and helpful information! and if said trolls remain obstinate, and refuse to see reason, let us not hate them for their ignorance. We shall miss their contributions to our society, but wish them well on their journey. May they find their joy elsewhere.

So it is written. :cool:

Oh yeah, and that thing about humility... I agree with that too. :D
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Posted 07 October 2011 - 12:45 AM

Yea, I understand him.
In an argument WoW vs GW2, its a annoying to hear Wow players bash this game, but I guess we don't lead by example either do we? We might end up scaring away the people in the middle, lol
I admit I'm a bit of a fangirl about GW2, though I'am aware that that like everything in life, it will not be perfect. The reason why I stick with it its because, unlike all the MMOs I played so far, it seems to have everything I like in an online game. I can only imagine how it will be when it releases and that is a moment I look forward to.

I have faith that Anet will be able to deliever it and that GW2 is going to be a good game.

Edited by Datenshi92, 07 October 2011 - 12:48 AM.

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Posted 07 October 2011 - 02:39 AM

I overall agree with the point made in the article. Anyone who's played the many demos or read previews can see that GW2 will be an innovative game. But to start praising it as the "perfect game to end all games" is quite silly and does little to draw others into the community.
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Posted 07 October 2011 - 02:58 AM

I'd honest to god buy it JUST to enjoy the artwork.

That and the fact that I love the combat system, and there isn't auto attack.

I despise auto-attack.
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Posted 07 October 2011 - 03:12 AM

i find bloggers to be haughty windbags.
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Posted 07 October 2011 - 03:55 AM

It is a very well written post. It is silly to barge in on every post related to MMORPGs and post a wall of text explaining how GW2 completely and perfectly solves all problems. Wait till the game is released and there will be a hundred threads whining about how X, Y and Z features are breaking people's "immersion." Wait, they are already there.
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Posted 07 October 2011 - 10:10 AM

Yeah I have to agree that people are putting a little to much stock into the game being as perfect as the devs are saying it will be. Myself included at times.

Still there is a little nagging at the back of my mind assuring me that they can't think through everything and players will find ways to exploit or ruin things and that no grind at all is not realistic.

But it is nicer just to be blissfully enthusiastic about a game for a change. If it is a fraction as great as it sounds I will probably be happy.
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Posted 07 October 2011 - 11:24 PM

Not sure about this article...

Yeah, we all know that praising GW2 as being perfect is a little silly, but honestly, some of the harshest reviews of the game (from people who actually know what they're talking about) came from this site. Not that i'm trying to rekindle this debate, but remember that whole red LED light and beeping sound on the mine scandal? This forum screams the loudest when we see something we don't like in the game, so I doubt there's a lot of blind faith in GW2's perfection.

Besides, there's plenty of people who say the samething about other games they're waiting for or playing. You could replace GW2 with SWTOR and it'd be the same thing (not that I'm trying to start a SWTOR debate).
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Posted 08 October 2011 - 12:35 AM

i have plenty of concerns about the game and even i get the feeling that someone sat on a sharp object when i read that. not to mention he doesn't bother to show what was so wrong with the comments, simply that he didn't appreciate them.

not everyone crapping on swtor, rift or WoW is a gw2 fan. i've commented on how bad two worlds was and that fable was much better, don't care for either series but i'm sure it served as fuel for a rant by some po'd TW fan.

Edited by shyerra hall, 08 October 2011 - 12:54 AM.

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 12:56 AM

There are 2 types of fanboism and I think the article isn't treating them separately.

1. Thinking everything about a game is perfect. Every system the devs talk about is the best possible and immune to criticism. This is the bad kind of fanboism and I certainly don't participate in it.

2. Thinking a game is better than any other MMO that's available now or in the foreseeable future. This is a bad thing in cases where it's clearly unfounded, but in the case of GW2 I think it's justified. Unless the game totally does a 180 and flops hard, it's poised to blow away the competition.

Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory seems unlikely at this point given the amount of public demo access it's had at conventions. Games that get hyped and actually suck at release (like WAR) don't generally have that level of transparency.
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Posted 08 October 2011 - 01:34 AM

I think this blogger is forgetting the hours of gameplay experienced and viewed on 2 convention seasons which pretty much show a solid game;

add to this the notion that Anet hardly speaks of anything that is not in the game yet (or not ready to be talked about), even though these things, when they are talked about, might still change... makes that the 'rant' about perspective is somewhat misplaced.

If anything it sort of shows how un-informed the author seems to be, especially if these 30 things this 'fanboi' he references to are actually 30 facts of stated game mechanics to be in GW2 ... one can't argue with facts (though arguably promisses have more then often been broken in game development, and I do hope that Anet doesn't break the promisses they made, having met them i would hate to have the feeling to grab the pitchfork and torches) ...

Thus, i think this author should do some more research before he dismisses things being said about GW2 as pre-release promisses (that have been broken so very often by other developers) ... does that mean i think GW2 will be "the end all best MMO of all times", nopes I don't, do i think it will be the best MMO that Anet can make atm. with the intention to change various things that have been rubbing against players for years now, yes i do, and i pretty much already seen the proof in the demo's ...

Do I think the game can be better, yes in some cases i do, but then the 'ideal' he speaks about, for my game, might not be the 'ideal' for any other gamer, i for one f/e am more of a cat person, would like a green fence, and that .4 kid doesn't seem quite right either (not to mention that I will need a wife first, to even start to think about those other 2) ... One thing remains though, Anet says GW2 will deal with certain things in a certain way and demo's proof most of these...
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Posted 08 October 2011 - 02:52 AM

blogs like this make me sigh. tbh, who cares if some people think GW2 is the next coming? to them what the devs say, what they have already shown and the passion and care they seem to put into the game and the genuine way in which they are going about it could be enough.

people are so jaded and have been disappointed too many times and alot of it stems from devs just not getting it. not understanding what constitutes as fun anymore. to me the devs at ANet just went back to the basics and are just trying to make a game that can be fun to them and others and it seems sincere. and that fact is i think their approach to it will make them not only a ton of money but also strengthen their brand recognition and garner loyal fans.

ANet just don't want to jerk you around and waste your time. this is the game they are making, these features they talk about anyone who goes to a convention can experience AND give feedback on to which they will listen. ANet just come across as very passionate gamers, like so many of us, but they also just happen to develop games.
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Posted 08 October 2011 - 03:16 AM

I think many different parties here are dishing out disproportionate retribution (in the form of arguments, anyway). The blog post on KTR was complaining about the non-social direction MMOs are going: "the removal of the first M." The comment described how ArenaNet is trying to solve this problem, by listing the social features GW2 has.

This blogger, a GW2 fan, is warning us about rabid fanboyism and how overhyping the game might actually get more people annoyed with it rather than excited about it.

If GW2 is going to become the next "big MMO," like WoW is now, then it'll get the good and the bad that WoW has right now. It doesn't need to be a WoW clone; when people who know nothing about it keep hearing about an MMO, they'll assume its just like WoW. It doesn't matter how objective and thought out your argument is for GW2, if you're overly zealous about it, people are bound to get turned off.
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Posted 08 October 2011 - 11:30 AM

Firetruck, thankyou, you've hit the nail right on the head. I want to make it abundantly clear that I am a GW2 fan, and I am looking forward to the game and hope it does acheive everything its set out to do. In addition, I'm not against promoting the game and being excited about it (being a GW blogger, it would be a bit stupid if I wasn't excited about it!) But as Firetruck said (and I'm just going to directly steal from him as he put it very well) "rabid fanboyism" can really turn people off.

In summary: I am NOT saying that the game will not deliver. I AM saying that the arrogance of assuming it will be the be all and end all and stifling debate can be very annoying.

Edited by Distilledwill, 08 October 2011 - 11:51 AM.

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 01:11 PM

This whole notion about "hyping" the game is ridiculous to me - because the excitement GW2 has been evoking has been directly due to them saying what they would do then actually doing what they said. The excitement is not based upon a bunch of groundless, "This is going to be the Best. Game. Eva!" proclamations with no backup.

And the word "perfect" is hurled around far too much, too. Every time we turn around, someone is accusing that someone wants PvE to be "perfect" before they release it - or someone wants the professions to be "perfect" before they release it - or someone wants PvP to be "perfect" before they release it - or whatever. And each and every time the accusation is made, lo and behold, the person they're accusing of either considering or wanting something to be "perfect" neither said nor meant that at all.
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Posted 08 October 2011 - 02:59 PM

I still believe that the one thing which could have a drastic effect on the enjoyability of this game is RMT and botters.

Why do I say that? Because they ruined the experience in the last five MMOs that I've played. Surely GW2 will have a sizeable GM team and numerous preventative measures in place.. but there's only so much they can do to curb the onslaught.

I'm not a GW2 fanboy - Im an Arenanet fanboy. They're so open with the community that we're able to understand their development process on a very deep level. That gives us faith that they can overcome any obstacle.

Edited by Grit, 08 October 2011 - 03:05 PM.

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 03:03 PM

After hyping WAR and Darkfall to my friends.... they don't even listen to me anymore anyways.
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