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#1 Treesong

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 07:57 AM

An Uberserver being a server which houses a PvP Uberguild(or several working well together). We all know that in every MMO these Guilds emerge, some of them have a long history. I think that it will be Guilds that will rule in WvW and make the difference.

Luckily, in GW2 the servers with PvP Uberguilds will be paired against other servers with PvP Uberguilds (because of high ranking), so the chance of benefitting from Worldbonusses should not be larger then in "lesser" server-pairings.

Still, I expect these servers to be extremely popular, because the server-against-server feature does add a kind of prestige to it being your "homeserver". Also, it sounds lke WvW is more fun if you are doing it with people that know what they are doing (as opposed to two weeks of random battles). Then again, that could be your thing. "Lesser" servers could also create more opportunities for Guilds to shine in WvW and rake in some World bonusses so that is the other side of it.

Will you be drawn to the "shine" of a top-server or will you avoid them?

Disclaimer: sorry I had to use words like "Uber", "lesser" and "top", I just needed them to get my point across ;) Me, I am the worst PvP-er in the world, just interested in the whole mechanic of WvWvW.

Edited by unraveled, 24 February 2012 - 08:31 AM.
Moved to WvW forum.


#2 Esula

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 08:03 AM

Well, I'm going to just take a guess here people will want to be on those types of "uber" servers. However, even with the overflow server system they still will have to wait to join that servers wvw because it will be so high demand to be on top. Does that make any sense? (Just a guess correct me if I'm wrong). So I'm assuming that people will probably want to join another server.

#3 Aerloth

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 08:04 AM

I'll be looking for a server with players that are relatively organised and skilful, not numbers.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 08:05 AM

You don't become a good PVPer by stomping scrubs. Serious players want challenge. So I highly doubt there's gonna be an "uber server".

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 08:05 AM

I'll likely try to pick a good server with other skilled pvpers to hang around with, and stick with it for both pve and pvp.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 08:07 AM

Aerloth said:

I'll be looking for a server with players that are relatively organised and skilful, not numbers.

I'm going to make another assumption that the servers who will be on top are the high pop ones that keep their WvW constantly full 24/7 (Of course the most skillful too.)

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 08:07 AM

I know in the server pride thread I was one of the people who made a prodiment point about people are just going to switch to the dominating server in WvW or the top 3 ranked servers.. But I disagree with my statement now.

Server transfers aren't free, as they shouldn't be. If they were, it would highly encourage the bad apples who constantly cause drama to free reign endlessly, and undermine server pride/guild pride.

Also, I've come to the conclusion that people who will swicth to the dominated server, will inevtiably make it drop in rating. The people not good in WvW will all flock to the best server, get into WvW and mess things up.

Inevitably, things will balance out about the flocking issue.

Thank you for your time.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 08:09 AM

Esula said:

I'm going to make another assumption that the servers who will be on top are the high pop ones that keep their WvW constantly full 24/7 (Of course the most skillful too.)

And all the other skilled or non-skilled players will hop over to that server and screw things up even more.  How funny would it be if I hopped over and got a big que for WvW.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 08:10 AM

I personally won't be switching due to that. Maybe make a character if you can spread your characters across servers.

I do look forward to PvP content and WvW but as long as I am having fun on the server and its community is active/friendly overall I will stay on the server I start on even if they suck at PvP but I doubt such will happen because I am sure there will be PvP oriented guilds across all servers while some may be larger and more experienced doesn't mean newbies cannot "pwn" (to go with the flow of the op :p ) Communication = win that's always true those using a TS/vent/mumble/etc will be able to perform better then Pugs in any game in any instance.

Of course as you said it depends on ranking who goes against who so it will be a decent balance or at least hopefully it provides such. And most of all the bigger they are ("champions of WvW") the harder they fall I couldn't imagine the amount of "rage" that would happen if they went on a 10 winning streak and lost for something completely minor no less such as leader mic not working.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 08:10 AM

Treesong said:

Will you be drawn to the "shine" of a top-server or will you avoid them?

It will be a non-issue to me, since I don't PvP. Even if I did start PvPing in GW2, I wouldn't be so hardcore about it that I'd change home servers over it.

#11 Third Eye Zen

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 08:11 AM

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And all the other skilled or non-skilled players will hop over to that server and screw things up even more.  How funny would it be if I hopped over and got a big que for WvW.

Exactly what I said.

The best way to be on an uber server.. Stay on yours and get better/organize. Get a vent server, and host it.
I plan on having my vent used for squads. each squad in their own sperate channel, each squad leader on skype with the WvW commander.

Much like canthan new year in GW1. You can expect to see guilds start sponsoring WvW with their vent info and all that to better improve the PUG organization, as well as Guild -Guild intergration in the battle.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 08:12 AM

Treesong said:

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Well put it this way, if we ALL transfer to "uber servers", the said uber server won't have anyone to fight will they? :p

I prefer a challenge, and my Guild will be there to take down anyone who thinks it will be an easy fight:devil:

#13 pharazon

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 08:12 AM

Knowing my luck, I'll wind up on the underdog server AKA the terribad server that only wins during holiday weeks. :qq:

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 08:12 AM

Me and my guild will MAKE my server an Uber server, thats how i see it ;)
But it all depends on the transfer mechanics, if its easy and has no real drawbacks then yes, i think people will swap servers.
If to many swap, servers will be full tho, and the overflow will kick in. Will be interesting to see how Anet handles it all.

#15 Treesong

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 08:13 AM

Third Eye Zen said:

I know in the server pride thread I was one of the people who made a prodiment point about people are just going to switch to the dominating server in WvW or the top 3 ranked servers.. But I disagree with my statement now.

Server transfers aren't free, as they shouldn't be. If they were, it would highly encourage the bad apples who constantly cause drama to free reign endlessly, and undermine server pride/guild pride.

Also, I've come to the conclusion that people who will swicth to the dominated server, will inevtiably make it drop in rating. The people not good in WvW will all flock to the best server, get into WvW and mess things up.

Inevitably, things will balance out about the flocking issue.

Thank you for your time.

Good point. Still, I can see a few hardcore PvP Guilds make all the difference, even with  the rest of the map filled up with "groupies". I agree with another poster who said that "full" battlegrounds will likely be a bigger incentive for a servermove. But I think that will be linked to that server having serious PvP Guilds. I could be wrong.

I do expect some drama for sure, also whole guilds transferring.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 08:14 AM

I'm not that good at pvp, but i never got what attracts people to there "uber servers".  if you know you can't compete with people like that, steer clear of em. If you fight (alongside) people way more skilled than you, chances are you're gonna be demoralized coz you keep losing. I'll try to stick to one server, as long as it's not too empty :D

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 08:15 AM

Quality over quantity... It's just trying to determine which is which that might take a little while... And of course once one server becomes the "popularly skilled" server, your going to see a lot of players switching sides...

I'd love to see all Guru peeps on one server, could you imagine how fantastically coordinated that would be!

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 08:18 AM

Sartori said:

You don't become a good PVPer by stomping scrubs. Serious players want challenge. So I highly doubt there's gonna be an "uber server".

I dont know about that. There is a lot of griefing, ganking and smurfing in games these days. I think many players dont want to become good. They just want to stomp scrubs.

Just my very pessimistic thoughts on that matter. :angel:

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 08:19 AM

It seems like the servers that do the best in WvW will certainly be popular for players of all content types, PvE, PvP, WvW benefits everyone. It seems like joining servers that don't really participate in WvW much will be the ones that don't get the bonusses and therefore anyone joining them will be gimping themselves :P Just a slightly uninformed observation though.

#20 FiveDigits

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 08:23 AM

I will choose one server at launch and stick with it.

#21 Treesong

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 08:24 AM

chromicat said:

It seems like the servers that do the best in WvW will certainly be popular for players of all content types, PvE, PvP, WvW benefits everyone. It seems like joining servers that don't really participate in WvW much will be the ones that don't get the bonusses and therefore anyone joining them will be gimping themselves :P Just a slightly uninformed observation though.

I am hoping that when a server is in a "PvP-rut" like this, i.e. not much interest in WvW and constantly on the losing side, that it will create an incentive for a Guild to rise up and start tipping the balance. The thing is that servers like these will be paired against other "bad" servers so you have a decent chance of winning the moment you (your Guild) starts to organize.

I can see a server like that being attractive for a start-up guild with ambitions.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 08:26 AM

No. I couldn't care less about how good the players on my server are.

If I accidently happen to be in one of those "uber-servers", I might actually switch, just to avoid being associated with PvP.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 08:26 AM

I'm completely positive there will be people with too much money who care too much about being on the "winning team" or being on the "top" who will server hop or try to anyway.

Personally I will pick a server when I start (likely based on a name I like, still hoping for a server named "Oink!") and that's the server I will play on.  The only things that will make me leave my server will be a really terrible community/culture (some servers just seem to go bad in every MMO), a serious lack of people, or Anet merging/closing servers.

#24 Nightweaver

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 08:31 AM

I just stick with the server I get initially, by random choice.

If anything, I prefer to be on the losing server over the always winning one though.
But  the only reason I will ever switch servers is to play with my friends.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 08:31 AM

This is why I really hope ANet don't publish server stats at all; to avoid exactly this situation. At the end of the day it really does not matter whether you're on the best or the worst server, because all that matters is whether you can beat the 2 servers you're matched up with.

The top 3 servers will have 1.2 million points (arbitrary number) that will be split between them. The worst 3 servers will also have 1.2 million points to split between them.

The only reason I can think of that someone might want to be on a higher ranked server is elitism. If you want to prove your PvP superiority, play structured PvP.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 08:33 AM

Treesong said:

Will you be drawn to the "shine" of a top-server or will you avoid them?


Avoid propably. Depends how the community will be I guess. Even though I'm not the most patient person out there and can't stand people who don't take advice from anyone, I still hate elitism. I don't want to run around and have some top player constantly critize every single thing I do in a manner that puts people down.

I play on a pretty PvP wise shitty EU server on WoW. The players that actually have managed to break 1750 consider themselves pro. They stand around in Durotar all day, calling other people noobs. But at least on this server I can still strive to be better, get a higher rating and show these nasty people that they're nothing special yet. I don't call them names, I don't brag and I don't claim to be better than anyone. Which is how the better players should behave. And I still have a long way to go.

Never been to, say, Outland EU so I don't really know how the community is like but I've never wanted to go to that server. To be stomped onto the ground by these people. There's probably a lot of teams at or above 2400 there and I doubt all of them behave in a mature manner.

I prefer to play with people of varying skill levels. To be able to teach others and get better bit by bit as a whole instead of having the noobs and the elites. Perhaps having that solid group of "better" players who do Conquest and WvW to better the server.

Most important thing is to have fun.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 08:55 AM

Nope. A server's PvP-uberness would not factor into any of my plans to transfer much at all.

My hours tend to be erratic and late, so I am not envisioning ever being on much during massively busy WvW hours. I figure that it will be mostly small groups of random players (like myself) in the middle of the night, so it does not matter much what server I am on.

In fact, I would be discouraged from playing on too "uber" of a server. I do not really want to be on a server full of hardcore PvP huilds that have coordinated groups manning all of their bases 24/7, not being such a player myself I would be easy prey in such an environment.

Not to mention that if everyone flocks to the top tier servers for WvW there is a greater chance of having to wait in queue to even get into the WvW battleground.

There aren't many reasons I could imagine for actually transfering servers. Maybe if the server I was on was absolutely dead in WvW, with no one ever showing up and us consistently finishing out the 2week rounds with only a sliver of the pie. Maybe then I would transfer up to some mid-level server just to see some action. But the situation would have to be pretty bad, and the chances of being the worst of the worst week every week seem pretty slim. I figure that some crazy competitive guilds will probably get a kick out of all flipping to a really low tier server just to run amok so there will probably be some life even there.

Or maybe if a bunch of my friends pick up the game at some later date and start on a different server (and they eventually get into PvP) I could see forking over a few bucks to join them. But that is kind of standard fare for any MMO, so not really anything to do with purposefully moving to higher tier servers because of the tier anyway.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 09:05 AM

eremos said:

This is why I really hope ANet don't publish server stats at all; to avoid exactly this situation. At the end of the day it really does not matter whether you're on the best or the worst server, because all that matters is whether you can beat the 2 servers you're matched up with.

The top 3 servers will have 1.2 million points (arbitrary number) that will be split between them. The worst 3 servers will also have 1.2 million points to split between them.

The only reason I can think of that someone might want to be on a higher ranked server is elitism. If you want to prove your PvP superiority, play structured PvP.

That certainly would be an elegant solution, had not thought about that. Word of mouth will still brand certain servers/guilds as being elite but if you take out the numbers the draw will certainly be less, I think.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 09:41 AM

Probably not. I want to play WvW. I foresee huge queues on the "uber servers". As servers are matched up against servers with equal ranking, I don't see a problem playing on a "medium" ranked server.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 10:34 AM

I want to play WvW so as long as our server is active that's fine by me.

Probably going to try to find myself a guild that wants to WvW before launch and follow them onto the game. My only real worry is being on a server where we get a bunch of GW1/WoW people who only want structured and consequently the WvW dies out. Short of that I wouldn't change servers.