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#1 thelurker

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 02:01 PM

Actually surprised no one has made this yet considering how fast the Pre-order thread in the News section is growing.

So I've only played one MMO, Aion and that was only because my friend wouldn't stop bugging me till I finally gave in. The monthly subscriptions always put me off, but luckily that's not a problem with GW2 :D.

Onto the main topic, for those that haven't seen it yet here are the bonuses you get for pre-ordering the game via their website https://buy.guildwars2.com/

The one that most people must be worrying about are the Elite skill and the items that give glory and influence that affect rewards in PVP and guild purchases respectively.

I bought the CE for Aion and it had a few other similar items and they didn't really make all that much of a difference over a couple days/weeks of play time. This coupled with what Anet has been saying about not buying a big advantage over others, plus a little bit of common sense, and a smidgen of 'I'll see how it is in game' attitude has me in a sort of 'meh' attitude to them and how they might affect game balance.

But then again I've only played one MMO so I'm not sure if other games have done this and have it ruin the game overall. So I'm here asking for a little bit of level headed and calm discussion from others who might have a bit more experience in this genre then me.

#2 buffelaar

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 02:13 PM

It DOESNT give you any advantage over others! the Elite skill is not a very good one, sure its usefull at lvl 1-10, but when you unlock youre first real one, that one will be a lot better. The increased PvP bonus is pure for cosmetic items and the guild advantage is pure for things you would be abled to get anyway.
So: everything buyable Ive seen so far DOESNT EVER give you a strenght advantage over others!

#3 DeadEnd

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 02:13 PM

I'm more worried that they promise beta access to everybody who preorders and get swamped by preorders, can't give everybody access and look like total bafoons doing it.

The glory/influence items are a little strange, but only for the reason that they basically do the same thing the 3 day head start on launch already takes care of. Probably they are just there to act as an incentive for people who can't make good use of those three days I guess.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 02:14 PM

Hmmm 3 of the items are limited use...

The golem banker is 5 days only... that is horrible...

The Glory item is one use only...

The last item is 1 use only...

Makes me wonder if this is a preview of things to come from the "Cash Shop"

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 02:17 PM

buffelaar said:

It DOESNT give you any advantage over others! the Elite skill is not a very good one, sure its usefull at lvl 1-10, but when you unlock youre first real one, that one will be a lot better. The increased PvP bonus is pure for cosmetic items and the guild advantage is pure for things you would be abled to get anyway.
So: everything buyable Ive seen so far DOESNT EVER give you a strenght advantage over others!

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the Elite skill is not a very good one, sure its usefull at lvl 1-10,  but when you unlock youre first real one, that one will be a lot better
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Posted 13 March 2012 - 02:18 PM

DeadEnd said:

I'm more worried that they promise beta access to everybody who preorders and get swamped by preorders, can't give everybody access and look like total bafoons doing it.

Easiest way to get money out of a stress test.

Anyway, the bonuses don't seem that grand. If anything it's more like a boost to help you start out, especially if you want to start a Guild right at launch. Besides the stuff your getting seems like stuff you can get eventually as previously said. The only thing that doesn't seem as such is the banker golem, but that seems like a cheep CS item as it is.

Edited by TriggerSad, 13 March 2012 - 02:20 PM.


#7 Vahkris

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 02:19 PM

I think the real question is whether having the special elite skill means your elite slot unlocks prior to level 30 or not.  If so, it's a big bonus, IMO, but if not...eh, depends on if the elite does anything other than summon a temporary pet like half of the elites out there.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 02:20 PM

Is it only me, or do Golem Banker, Chalice of Glory and Tome of Influence look like they could make appearance in Cash Shop? Golem Banker seems especially likely, with it's limited, convenience based nature.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 02:20 PM

DeadEnd said:

I'm more worried that they promise beta access to everybody who preorders and get swamped by preorders, can't give everybody access and look like total bafoons doing it.

I'm fairly sure they can give access to everyone who preorders, especially since by then the beta testing events are probably mostly going to be stress tests that need a lot of people.

If they're planning on being able to support more than that number of people on launch day what makes you think they're incapable of handling those kinds of numbers?

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 02:21 PM

If they put the stuff like "one time consumable Glory boost" into Cash Shop...

This will break the game for me. Allods Online Pay2Win all over again.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 02:22 PM

fs23otm said:

Hmmm 3 of the items are limited use...

The golem banker is 5 days only... that is horrible...

The Glory item is one use only...

The last item is 1 use only...

Makes me wonder if this is a preview of things to come from the "Cash Shop"

What did you expect? Unlimited glory? Unlimited influence?

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Serge said:

If they put the stuff like "one time consumable Glory boost" into Cash Shop...

This will break the game for me. Allods Online Pay2Win all over again.

Did you know that Glory doesn't get you better gear stat wise, but better looking gear? Either way, I wouldn't like to see it in the cash shop, neither. Although it wouldn't be pay2win.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 02:25 PM

Why no awesome map in any of the collectors edition/deluxe edition D:

I loved my GW1 maps, and the map that came with standard skyrim editions was boss. Somewhat disappoint.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 02:26 PM

think my biggest issue is going to be the pricing....

CE is 149.99 - which is fine as the statue looks nice, but not my cup of tea this time.

Regular edition - guessing 59.99... which is based on previous releases of AAA games.

Digitial Deluxe - guessing 79.99 .. which is based on previous releases of AAA games.

The problem I have is 20$ for an elite skill, a mini-pet, and 3 1 time use items....might be tough to justify that....however if they make the Deluxe only 69.99...

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 02:26 PM

Anet was always good in making sure items from the cash-shop didn't affect In-Game balance (GW1).
So I really wouldn't worry about it :)

PS: A big part of their hype around GW2 lays in the fact they wanna do things different, not as all other MMO-developpers who do everything to get some money.
Should they go that way they would lose alot of respect and sales and I'm sure they wouldn't risk that

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 02:27 PM

buffelaar said:

It DOESNT give you any advantage over others! the Elite skill is not a very good one, sure its usefull at lvl 1-10, but when you unlock youre first real one, that one will be a lot better. The increased PvP bonus is pure for cosmetic items and the guild advantage is pure for things you would be abled to get anyway.
So: everything buyable Ive seen so far DOESNT EVER give you a strenght advantage over others!

Well, your elite slots would be unlocked after reaching lvl 30.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 02:29 PM

Cracken said:

What did you expect? Unlimited glory? Unlimited influence?

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Did you know that Glory doesn't get you better gear stat wise, but better looking gear? Either way, I wouldn't like to see it in the cash shop, neither. Although it wouldn't be pay2win.

This needs to be posted again.  No advantage stat wise...just aesthetically.

Also, they have to put SOMETHING in the collector's edition.  It's not likely that they'll put it all in the cashshop as well because then ppl who put out the 150 would feel ripped off.  They also do not want everyone to feel like the ppl who do spend the money on the CE are getting a permanent advantage over others.  Seems to strike a balance between the two.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 02:30 PM

Cracken said:

What did you expect? Unlimited glory? Unlimited influence?

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Did you know that Glory doesn't get you better gear stat wise, but better looking gear? Either way, I wouldn't like to see it in the cash shop, neither. Although it wouldn't be pay2win.

Actually I would rather not have the Glory or the Influence boost...and scrap the Golem too....

Give me something tangible... like a Plantable Banner, no real benefit just cool looking...

Or a free rune to start off with... or cool hairstyle or face ....

Something other then a 1 time use item...

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 02:34 PM

Serge said:

If they put the stuff like "one time consumable Glory boost" into Cash Shop...

This will break the game for me. Allods Online Pay2Win all over again.

In 5v5 conquest mode all gear will be on the same level. So its pretty much Pay2LookCool, NOT Pay2Win.

If your worried about W v W then its supposed to be imba so it really doesn't matter if one person is super geared. Its more about team work and owning castles!

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 02:34 PM

I am disappointed with the pre-order bonuses. I was definitely planning on getting the deluxe edition, but after seeing the bonuses, I don't think it is worth $20 extra.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 02:34 PM

Gilles VI said:

Anet was always good in making sure items from the cash-shop didn't affect In-Game balance (GW1).
So I really wouldn't worry about it :)

PS: A big part of their hype around GW2 lays in the fact they wanna do things different, not as all other MMO-developpers who do everything to get some money.
Should they go that way they would lose alot of respect and sales and I'm sure they wouldn't risk that

Well...another part i just read...

If you pre-purchase the game.... IE pay fully for the game... you get 3 day headstart....

If you Pre-order the game....IE pay when it releases.. you get 1 day headstart.

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Will I be able to reserve character and guild names during the Headstart Access?
Yes, players who have Headstart Access will be able to claim character and guild names during that period that will carry over when Guild Wars 2 goes live. Players who pre-purchase and receive 3-day Headstart Access will have an advantage over players who pre-order and receive 1-day Headstart Access.
That could be a little sneaky...

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 02:34 PM

I think I'll be getting the digital deluxe. $150 is a lot of drop for a poor college student

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 02:37 PM

fs23otm said:

Well...another part i just read...

If you pre-purchase the game.... IE pay fully for the game... you get 3 day headstart....

If you Pre-order the game....IE pay when it releases.. you get 1 day headstart.

That could be a little sneaky...

You mean you have to pay to get into something?

It was the same with all of the Guild Wars games. If you pre-ordered any of them, you got into a weekend head-start event. Nothing new there honestly. :)

#23 Kalaniel

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 02:37 PM

I feel the same as most on the Deluxe edition... I mean, the only non consumable is the elite skill, which don't really justify the extra 20 bucks I expect they charge for.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 02:41 PM

I'm actually enjoying the fact that it appears the CE has nothing I'd be interested in.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 02:44 PM

TriggerSad said:

You mean you have to pay to get into something?

It was the same with all of the Guild Wars games. If you pre-ordered any of them, you got into a weekend head-start event. Nothing new there honestly. :)

No it is not the same... You "pre-ordered" in GW1 and all other newer MMO's and got early access...

Now they are saying you must "Pre-purchase"...Which means... When you order cash changes hand immediately... even if the game doesn't release for months down the road....

It is a tricky slope... as most resellers let you preorder... and when you read the site people may confuse pre-purchase with pre-order...

Pre-Purchase get you:

In all beta weekends
3 Days head start
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Pre-Order get you:

1 Day headstart


Understand now?

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 02:44 PM

al capowned said:

do you have a source for or are you speculating?

AFAIK There is no possible source for this. It's just that nobody on the internet seems to know the difference between their own opinion and irrevocable fact.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 02:44 PM

Kalaniel said:

I feel the same as most on the Deluxe edition... I mean, the only non consumable is the elite skill

... and a Rytlock Miniature.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 02:45 PM

Let's imagine glory and influence are not only part of the DD and CE pre-order, but also purchasable in the IGS.

This is why you need not worry:

Influence: Suppose a server is almost winning in WvW and they send out a chat to all the Guild Leaders to encourage their guilds to purchase some influence form the IGS to get the win. They may win because of it, and they'll go up a notch on the WvW ladder.  But what about the next 2 week game? Are they gonna buy more? Eventually people will slow down their purchasing or do it only every couple months or for special occasions.  I think most servers will rely on the influence they can earn ingame as opposed to relying on influence they can purchase.

Here is an example from non-prophet organizations.  Let's say you run a school, church, etc.  You have a regular income from tuition/offerings, etc.  This is what you use to maintain your general budget (similar to the influence earned in game from playing it).  But suppose someone gives your school/church a one time gift of $40,000.  You would not use that gift to hire a new person because there is no guarantee you will get that money again next year.  Over time, you'd have to fire that new person.  So, with a guild, if you use purchased influence to one-up other teams, you are either gonna have to keep purchasing it, or stop at some point, and fall back down the ladder.

And as for glory: I think some people might get angry that you get a dose of "glory" with the DD and CE (and maybe in the IGS?). They may be angry since they think better pvp armor should only come from better pvp play. "Better armor proves I'm a better PvP'er right?"  No.  My glory in pvp will come from my skill, not the armor I wear.  I was even thinking of using a transmogrification stone to make my "street rat" original armor as good as the best in game, lol.

Edited by Klaupatiuz Lem, 13 March 2012 - 02:50 PM.


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Posted 13 March 2012 - 02:51 PM

I am a little bit disapointed by the deluxe edition too. I hate consumables so that leaves the minipet and the elite. Since i am not that much of a rytlock fan i assume it is only a matter of time till he gets replaced by something more impressive. And i don't see myself using the elite often either.

Also i am a bit disappointed that the banker is limited by days rather than by charges. That has this "the more you play the more you get out of it" vibe that they usually so successfully circumvent.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 02:51 PM

No one here has any idea of the impact these bonuses will have on the game, so why start worrying about it?