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[MorDeCaza]

Will be putting my in-progress total break down of the "GDC 2010 - YouTube Editions - Part 1 - H.264 video"  picture by picture examination for discussion and to help add to lore.

If you have anything to say/add/correct to any of these things please speak up.

*note* I do have the GW2 art book and will base some of my speculations of info garnered from that.

http://s376.photobuc...w&current=1.jpg
Looks like two run down structures from Orr, I know they're from Orr because of the art book.

http://s376.photobuc...w&current=2.jpg
Looks like a picture of a fountain in a human city (most likely Divinity's Reach)

http://s376.photobuc...w&current=1.jpg
As you can see this is a picture of three Kodan fighting a large monster of some sort, take note in box 1 there appears to be a rock or ruin of some sort with carvings on it, and in box two those rocks may just be falling by maybe thrown?

http://s376.photobuc...w&current=3.jpg
This is the floating iceberg city, I'm not sure which race lives here, definitely doesn't look like Norn architecture nor do I think Norn would be the type to build city's, Kodan perhaps?  As you can see the large sails on the iceberg is probably how they move the iceberg around.  On the lower right-hand corner you can see some ships going in and out what looks like some sort of cove/harbor in the iceberg.

http://s376.photobuc...w&current=4.jpg
This can only be two things due to the unmistakable style it is built, it is either and Asuran town/outpost built into the very rock, or yet another ruin of the unknown civilization that used to live in the area that the Asura now preside.

http://s376.photobuc...w&current=5.jpg
This is what looks like an overgrown bridge that has most likely not been used for some time.  Its location is unknown, it may be in Kryta, or one of the few green spots left in Ascalon.

http://s376.photobuc...w&current=6.jpg
These are the ghosts of Ascalon doomed to defend it forever that King Adelbern cursed.~ thanks to Konig Des Todes for clarifying this.

http://s376.photobuc...w&current=7.jpg
Once again ruins of an unknown origin, though based of the surrounding I'd say these are most likely in a part of Kryta.

http://s376.photobuc...w&current=8.jpg
What looks to be an Asuran city of some sort, several new examples of Asuran architecture can be seen here.  In the box's are some sort of energy system, (Tesla coils?).

http://s376.photobuc...w&current=9.jpg
What appears to be a generator/energy collector of presumable Asuran design.

http://s376.photobuc...&current=10.jpg
Looks like the inside of an Asuran structure.

http://s376.photobuc...&current=11.jpg
This is one of our little Asuran friends in a full suit of armor holding a sword.  The armor itself has several gems in it, and also this is another good sign that we WILL be able to play as an Asuran warrior.

Asuran objects sketch's
Part One: http://s376.photobuc...&current=12.jpg
As you can see in this sketch there are several pictures labeled such as kitchenware, med, chairs/stools, and "Bunsen burners".  There are also several unlabeled things such as chest/container looking objects, what looks like a desk/counter, and what looks like some clay plant holder type objects.

Part Two: http://s376.photobuc...&current=13.jpg
The only new labeled thing here is a pencil cup, there are also several devices that hold/suspend rocks.

Asura building sketch's
Part One: http://s376.photobuc...&current=14.jpg
In the bottom left corner you can see sketch's labeled "doorways" as well as miscellaneous Asuran building.  As you can see the Asuran have a very distinct and unique style and usually incorporate something that's floating.

Part Two: http://s376.photobuc...&current=15.jpg
More examples of Asuran building, several examples of Asuran towers, and what even looks like a shrine of some sort in the bottom left hand corner.

Part Three: http://s376.photobuc...&current=16.jpg
Yet more assorted Asuran building, can see some sketches of stone gateways and pillars here to.

Part Four: http://s376.photobuc...&current=17.jpg
The last of the Asuran building sketch line.

Asura pillars and accents:
Part One: http://s376.photobuc...&current=18.jpg
On the left and bottom are several Asuran patterns an accents.  The bottom pictures are labeled "wall treatments".  On the top right are several different types of Asuran pillars labeled "Asura motif study-columns".  The notes written say "Column motifs  can be used as wall surface accents."

Part Two: http://s376.photobuc...&current=19.jpg
On the left are more patterns and accents, as you they are labeled "frieze/edge accents".  On the right are more pillars/columns.  There is also writing saying "Asura decorative element are massively-proportioned.  Subtlety is achieved by relationships of surface noise-inlays, carvings, etc."

http://s376.photobuc...&current=20.jpg
This one is very interesting.  It's what appears to be a dragon inside of some Asuran structure that looks like it could be some type of specialized holding cell.  They may be studying the dragon, or using it as a power source considering in the end of EotN Vekk said that the statue in the Central Transfer Chamber (which we all know is Primordious) practically bled magic.

http://s376.photobuc...&current=21.jpg
It looks like another design for an Asuran generator like the one we saw earlier.

http://s376.photobuc...&current=22.jpg
A small animation in which the Sylvari on the left wakes up and stretches gives us look at designs for the Sylvari.

http://s376.photobuc...&current=23.jpg
Another short animation in which the Sylvari in the picture reaches for a butterfly.

http://s376.photobuc...&current=24.jpg
This next picture is a little trove of goodliness.  First we get to see some Sylvari architecture; it’s built into what looks like a tree.  There are also several Sylvari males shown, something we’ve had a bit of a shortage of.   Finally we see the Sylvari holding several different types of stave's, and one even holding a sword, if you look at the Sylvari holding the sword you cal also see some armor of his, which I believe is Sylvari armor.

http://s376.photobuc...&current=25.jpg
Another fresh looks at Sylvari architecture, this time featuring houses.  As you can see the the middle house is being "grown" as was the same with the other two house.  I'm not sure if that's just how the artist wanted that picture to be presented or if that will happen in-game with the Sylvari "growing" they're homes.

http://s376.photobuc...&current=26.jpg
This is one of the first "monsters" that is featured solo in this video.  What looks like a large flying insect of unknown origin.  Personally I think it is from the wastelands of Ascalon because of similar colors/monsters seen in Ascalon from the GW2 art book.

http://s376.photobuc...&current=27.jpg
Another monster, once again I believe this one to be found in Ascalon for the same reasons.  Though again this is just speculation.

http://s376.photobuc...&current=28.jpg
A picture of some unknown hero slaying a monster.  Show's a bit of armor though I believe this picture was created to help get the artist into the feel of the GW world and not to portray anything in particular.

http://s376.photobuc...&current=29.jpg
A VERY elaborate ship drawn by non-other then Daniel  Dociu himself, although before it was debated if it was in the sea or flying, judging by the sounds of the sea in the video I'd go with the sailing.  Stimulates the imagination doesn't it.

http://s376.photobuc...current=30.jpgh
A nice underwater picture, the two swimming figures have been speculated to be the Naga, or a close relative.  The two pillars also remind me of similar images in the Jade Sea, I'm sure there will be many mysteries to be discovered under the waves in GW2.

http://s376.photobuc...&current=31.jpg
What looks to be something resembling similar structures in Sorrow's Furnace of Dwarf design, or even Dredge (remember the Dredge built most of Sorrow's Furnace under slave labor), this picture located under the Shiverpeaks (According to the art book).

http://wiki.guildwar..._mineshaft2.jpg
Another structure under the Shiverpeaks that I believe was built by either Dredge or the Dwarfs.

http://wiki.guildwar.../d/d9/Dhuum.jpg
Concept art of Dhuum in GW2.  Looks quite a bit scarier now doesn't he.

http://wiki.guildwar..._LAshiparch.jpg
What looks to be a ship yard, perhaps in LA or in another human city.

http://wiki.guildwar...ampitheatre.jpg
An old run down amphitheater, most likely somewhere in Ascalon or Orr.

http://wiki.guildwar..._angrykodan.jpg
Another drawing of a Kodan, looks scary now doesn't he.  Notice the patterns on his fur and armor, and the hanging ornament on his left arm and cape.

http://wiki.guildwar...merockthing.jpg
A monster made out of fire and stone, perhaps a minion of Primordious?

http://wiki.guildwar...010_barrage.jpg
A heated battle between the Centaurs and the humans.

http://wiki.guildwar...oldbuilding.jpg
A very colorful (and kind of ugly in my opinion) room of I'm guessing a human structure.

http://wiki.guildwar...onedwelling.jpg
A small outpost made out of bones somewhere presumably in the Crystal Desert.

http://wiki.guildwar..._boundrobot.jpg
A fire and iron giant robot.  My guess that it's an invention of the Flame Legion mixing magic with technology.

http://wiki.guildwar...rnedvillage.jpg
A burning village with the surviving villagers escaping into the night.  Could be a village near Ascalon, or one of the first villages to feel the wrath of the dragons.

http://wiki.guildwar...gstructures.jpg
What this is I have no clue, two stone obelisks, perhaps a replacement of the old three-legged effigy used by the flame legion to worships they're new "gods".

http://wiki.guildwar...2010_caithe.jpg
An earlier drawing of Caithe the Sylvari from the "Races of Tyria" video, they do seem to love Caithe.

http://wiki.guildwar..._2010_canon.jpg
A giant Charr version of a primitive tank? Notice the supply carts in the bottom left hand corner.

http://wiki.guildwar...anesqueroom.jpg
A room unmistakeably modeled after Canthan style from the windows, door, ceiling, and even the clothes of the people.  Perhaps Canthan natives trapped in Tyria by Zaitan?

http://wiki.guildwar...andestroyed.jpg
A destroyed caravan that was assailed by unknown forces.

http://wiki.guildwar...drockstatue.jpg
A carved statue, similar statues in the art book make me believe it is a statue of one of the 6 gods.

http://wiki.guildwar...2010_castle.jpg
The upper ramparts of a city unknown, it may be an earlier sketch of Divinity's Reach or somewhere else.  Notice the mountains in the background suggesting it may be near the Shiverpeaks.

http://wiki.guildwar...udecusrobot.jpg
Labeled a "Caudecus Robot", making me believe it has some sort of medical role. Image of a Caudecus can be found here: http://upload.wikime...57/Caduceus.svg

http://wiki.guildwar...charreffigy.jpg
Drawing of a revamped Charr effigy, most likely a Flame Legion construct like it was in EotN.

http://wiki.guildwar...harrfurnace.jpg
A image of a Charr furnace, it may just be me but does that middle figure look a lot like an Ettin?

http://wiki.guildwar...10_charrkid.jpg
A nice drawing of a Charr youth.

http://wiki.guildwar...charrkitten.jpg
An adorable picture of a Charr kitten.

http://wiki.guildwar..._charrscene.jpg
A very angry Charr fighting a very unlucky human.

http://wiki.guildwar...charrshaman.jpg
What looks like a Charr shaman.

http://wiki.guildwar...rstoryboard.jpg
Two rough sketches of Charr buildings most likely done by the Artist to get a feel on what the Charr architecture looked like.

http://wiki.guildwar...storyboard2.jpg
More sketches of Charr buildings.

http://wiki.guildwar...0_cityhouse.jpg
What appears to be a shopping complex of some sort, weapons store on the right, armor store in the middle, and a potion? store on the left.  This building looks similar to building found in Divinity's Reach.

http://wiki.guildwar...liffatcoast.jpg
At first glance its a drawing of a cliff over-looking the coast, but on closer inspection you see that structures that almost look cathedral-ish are carved into the very rock upside down.

http://wiki.guildwar...0_cliffcity.jpg
A city built upside down, carved into the very rock.  Very similar to the previous picture.   Both pictures seem to draw influence from "Avatar: The Last Airbender" western air temple, picture here: http://bobbyross.com...j9/image_05.jpg

http://wiki.guildwar...rfulcaravan.jpg
A very colorful wagon, perhaps a traveling circus?

http://wiki.guildwar...010_cottage.jpg
Resembles earlier Krytan homes.

http://wiki.guildwar...aturechains.jpg
What I believe to be a Charr, may be a completely different creature though.

http://wiki.guildwar...lonplatform.jpg
A platform with a crystal in the middle, looks to be underground.  Perhaps a Dwarfish artifact?

http://wiki.guildwar...0_deathfish.jpg
What looks to be a very big and deadly fish.  Dubbed the "Deathfish" by Shew

http://wiki.guildwar..._desertcave.jpg
A cave presumable in the desert.  Has an ominous feel to it.  The style kind of reminds me of structures in the Oblivion realm in "Oblivion".

http://wiki.guildwar..._jaggedcave.jpg
Looks similar in design to the picture above.

http://wiki.guildwar..._desertpath.jpg
Looks like a ravine of some sort.

http://wiki.guildwar...achfestival.jpg
Another picture of the year-round festival in Divinity's Reach.

http://wiki.guildwar...algundesert.jpg
Features a "cowboy" style character with duel pistols.  What the large entity in the distance is I have no clue, perhaps the or a minion of the Earth Dragon?

http://wiki.guildwar...DC_2010_eir.jpg
An earlier sketch of Eir from the "Races of Tyria" video.

http://wiki.guildwar...alatingcity.jpg
What appears to be a abandoned Dwarf town?  Could be a human town too, two adventurers can be seen in the distance on the bridge in the middle.

http://wiki.guildwar...theredarmor.jpg
Two nice armor sketches of the same type of armor, one for male and one for female.  

http://wiki.guildwar...shipatrocks.jpg
What looks like a party of adventurers traveling through an area with many large floating rocks?

http://wiki.guildwar...orncreature.jpg
Scary isn't it?  I can't decide if its Zaitan's or Primordious's minion, it looks undead but it also is very fiery.

http://wiki.guildwar...concept_art.jpg
Another Charr with flaming arms just like the "Charr Shaman" picture.

http://wiki.guildwar...merockthing.jpg
A very large flame construct/atronach.  This picture mostly cuts them out, but in the bottom right side you can barely see a human holding a sword.  In the art book the human is fully displayed, and next to him is a smaller ally, presumably an Asura.


Three flying monsters of some sort in the Shiverpeaks,  they are flying at what looks to be a Norn and a human preparing for a fight.

http://wiki.guildwar...ertconcepts.jpg
Four pictures that seem to depict the new Crystal Desert.  In the top right you can see the bodies of two large fish where a large sea/lake once was.

http://wiki.guildwar...2010_garden.jpg
What looks like a garden to a palace.

http://wiki.guildwar...010_garden2.jpg
A similar if not another spot in the same garden above.

http://wiki.guildwar...2010_gazebo.jpg
Another picture of a garden featuring a gazebo this time.

http://wiki.guildwar..._giantrobot.jpg
A large robot, I think it is Asuran and not a Charr construct for two reason.  The first reason is there is no fire what so ever in the picture.  And two the optics looks somehow Asuran to me.

These next to pictures caught my eye, they both have the same gear object in them, but in different places making me wonder the significance of the gear object.  There are pipes going in/out of it as well as something inside of the gears.
http://wiki.guildwar..._globething.jpg
http://wiki.guildwar...hinglowered.jpg

http://wiki.guildwar...ilvertowers.jpg
Two structures, where and made by who I can't tell.

http://wiki.guildwar...10_golemset.jpg
Sketches of several different variants of golems.  Although we don't know to what extant the golems will differ in looks in the game, the golem in the top left center looks the most like the ones in the trailers.

http://wiki.guildwar..._helicopter.jpg
A "gondola" style twin blade helicopter.  Whether or not higher-tech like this will be used in the final GW2 remains to be seen.

http://wiki.guildwar...0_hotspring.jpg
Several hot springs presumably somewhere in the Shiverpeaks.

http://wiki.guildwar...useinterior.jpg
The interior of a house, various house hold utensils and other items can be found hanging on the walls.

http://wiki.guildwar...nandvehicle.jpg
A very nasty looking vehicular with a human next to hit.  How would you like the be rammed by that?

http://wiki.guildwar...2010_icebat.jpg
What looks to be a variant of some type of bat.

http://wiki.guildwar...10_icybeast.jpg
Looks similar to the "Norn Bear" you had to kill in EotN, except applied to a Kodan.  How can I tell it used to be a Kodan?  Look at its bottom left foot.

http://wiki.guildwar...ostoryboard.jpg
Several drawing of icy caves and other areas you can explore.

http://wiki.guildwar...aljellyfish.jpg
Looks like some sort of industrial building built by the Charr.

http://wiki.guildwar...eflamedemon.jpg
A large flame demon, look at the base of the demon and you can see a much smaller monster, yet they look the same.  Most likely a minion of Primordious.

http://wiki.guildwar...argepincers.jpg
What looks like a large crab style robot.

http://wiki.guildwar...stoneentity.jpg
A large stone beast, it head looks reminiscent of a turtle, but with the wings on top it looks a bit like a huge stone griffin style monster.

http://wiki.guildwar...0_lavaflask.jpg
A forge of one of the races, which I cannot tell.

http://wiki.guildwar..._lighthouse.jpg
A light house of some sort.  I can tell if the ship is behind it, or part of the lighthouse.

http://wiki.guildwar..._lionbridge.jpg
What looks to be a bridge in LA.

http://wiki.guildwar..._2010_logan.jpg
An early sketch of Logan Thackley, the human from the "Races of Tyria" video.

http://wiki.guildwar..._metalarmor.jpg
Some sort of armor, I think it's built for humans to wear, but the technology doesn't look entirely human.

http://wiki.guildwar...rofwhispers.jpg
What appears to be the Order of Whispers going to some ruins in Ascalon.

http://wiki.guildwar...10_orrruins.jpg
Some Orrian ruins, notice the scale of the ruins by comparing them to the humans on the steps.

http://wiki.guildwar..._piratenorn.jpg
A very bad ass looking Norn....with an eye patch.

http://wiki.guildwar...lantmonster.jpg
A large monster of the Maguuma, looks plant-based.

http://wiki.guildwar...10_plantset.jpg
Several plant's you can expect to see in the Maguuma, there are several notes saying "Glowing, use as lighting" "sapling" "shade trees (public spaces, merchants, FTC)" and "Exposed roots".

http://wiki.guildwar...0_plantset2.jpg
More pictures of plants, these plant's may be used outside of the Maguuma.

http://wiki.guildwar...igiousasura.jpg
An Asura holding a staff.  Take note of the floating components in his armor, and the large matrix of floating stones behind him.  I wonder what that is?  Any suggestions?

http://wiki.guildwar...iroprogress.jpg
An in-progress sketch of a environment.

http://wiki.guildwar...10_robedeye.jpg
This looks like a definite minion of Zaitan.  What it is I'm not sure, It looks like a robed skeleton carrying a very big stone/eye thing.

http://wiki.guildwar...0_rybbeetle.jpg
Some type of beetle.

http://wiki.guildwar...togianthead.jpg
Perhaps LA has a fancy new gate to protect it?  Not entirely sure where this is.

http://wiki.guildwar...iastructure.jpg
A very large fallen structure, problem from Orr.

http://wiki.guildwar...nstmountain.jpg
I very beautiful picture.  I think the artist drew this as motivational instead of trying to depict a place in the game.

http://wiki.guildwar...destruction.jpg
Some fancy ships at port that are getting set aflame by an opposing army.

http://wiki.guildwar...hipinterior.jpg
A well drawn interior of a ship.

http://wiki.guildwar...0_slimrobot.jpg
A futuristic looking robot, can't really tell who built it though.

http://wiki.guildwar...snowybridge.jpg
Looks to be the ruins of a dwarfish city/outpost.  There appears to be one adventurer at the begging of the bridge.

http://wiki.guildwar..._stormbeing.jpg
What looks to be a storm atronach.

http://wiki.guildwar...mywasteland.jpg
A wasteland in Ascalon, two Charr can be seen running.  The groups of floating rocks raises questions, my personal theory on them is they are some long-term effect of the largely unknown magic that caused the Searing. (My theory is that it was dragon magic, source: http://wiki.guildwar...on_of_Cataclysm)

http://wiki.guildwar...iciouscharr.jpg
A Charr with some sweet looking armor.

http://wiki.guildwar...lvaribranch.jpg
A simple picture of a Sylvari sitting on a branch.

http://wiki.guildwar...ungingwoman.jpg
A reclining woman.

http://wiki.guildwar...mansketches.jpg
Early sketches of a Sylvari female.

http://wiki.guildwar..._underwater.jpg
A nice underwater scene, one figure can be seen swimming, another standing on the sea bed.

http://wiki.guildwar...iroconcepts.jpg
Several pictures depicting the Maguuma.

http://wiki.guildwar...rconceptset.jpg
Several pictures depicting underwater environments.  Notice the one one the left and that nasty looking fish.

http://wiki.guildwar...aterobelisk.jpg
An under water structure and obelisk.  Who built it and if it was built underwater or above ground originally is unknown.  There might be a connection between this obelisk and the other underwater obelisks we've seen.

http://wiki.guildwar...icleinwater.jpg
Looks like a sea faring Charr vehicle.

http://wiki.guildwar...legantstaff.jpg
Looks to be a human female with some very cool armor and staff.

http://wiki.guildwar...agonassault.jpg
A dragon and his minions attacking something.

Edited by MorDeCaza, 22 March 2010 - 10:22 PM.

[Konig Des Todes]

The first one is here. Seems to just be ruined armor (quite a few of those arts are in fact known and on the wiki)

http://s376.photobuc...w&current=6.jpg
Those are not the minions of Zhaitan, but are spirits of the fallen Ascalonians that Adelbern turned into ghosts. You can tell by the center one's armor. Not everything in the first trailer were connected to Zhaitan. Some were connected to Jormag, there was an image of Primordus, and some were unrelated to the dragons.

"also this is another good sign that we WILL be able to play as an Asuran  warrior." - we've known this for a while actually. It was stated that all races will be able to play all professions.

[pumpkin pie]

Picture 2
My humble opinion. I like to say the second picture is indeed Divinity's Reach, most probably a view of the market, commoners area and a ramp leading up to either the second tier city wall, or the main castle. I am speculating there are many tier to Divinity's Reach.

Picture 3 and 4
3rd picture, as has been named by the Artist is Kodan Attack. I would speculated that it meant the Kodan bear are being attacked by the minions of Jormag - the ice dragon If it is then its a ice-corrupted type Jormag's minion. other wise it might just be Jormag himself. Resulting in picture number 4, the Kodan Iceberg.

Edited by pumpkin pie, 22 March 2010 - 05:20 AM.

[Imrahil Greywood]

Quote

The first one is here. Seems to just be ruined armor (quite a few of those arts are in fact known and on the wiki)

How is

a set of "ruined" Armour . Ruined buildings but Armour ???

[MorDeCaza]

Konig Des Todes said:

The first one is here. Seems to just be ruined armor (quite a few of those arts are in fact known and on the wiki)

http://s376.photobuc...w&current=6.jpg
Those are not the minions of Zhaitan, but are spirits of the fallen Ascalonians that Adelbern turned into ghosts. You can tell by the center one's armor. Not everything in the first trailer were connected to Zhaitan. Some were connected to Jormag, there was an image of Primordus, and some were unrelated to the dragons.

"also this is another good sign that we WILL be able to play as an Asuran  warrior." - we've known this for a while actually. It was stated that all races will be able to play all professions.

For the first pic being armor I don't get? Please explain

Thank you for the clarification of those ghosts, editing it now

I know it was stated awhile ago, but there are still non-believers and that does help prove it.

Also now that GW2 guru is back up I'm updating my post with more pictures.

Edited by MorDeCaza, 22 March 2010 - 04:31 PM.

[Konig Des Todes]

I meant building... I apologize, it was late and I don't recall writing armor... o.o

[MorDeCaza]

that's fine Konig, caught similar mistakes in my writing up there this morning that I've fixed.  I'll just re-label then as "structures"

[MorDeCaza]

pumpkin pie said:

Picture 2
My humble opinion. I like to say the second picture is indeed Divinity's Reach, most probably a view of the market, commoners area and a ramp leading up to either the second tier city wall, or the main castle. I am speculating there are many tier to Divinity's Reach.

Although I agree with you on this, even the style of the roofs in the same, there's still no "guarantee" its from Divinity's Reach

I'm going to take a break for a little while, Pictures 20+ are newly uploaded today.  I'm currently at 3:05 in the video, little under 1/3 of the way there.  If anyone wanted to upload pictures of  images past 3:05 it'd be much appreciated while I take a break.

Edited by MorDeCaza, 22 March 2010 - 05:16 PM.

[pumpkin pie]

you can find the pictures on Wiki, Shew already uploaded them there.

[Shew]

MorDeCaza said:

http://s376.photobuc...&current=29.jpg
A VERY elaborate ship drawn by non-other then Daniel  Dociu himself, although before it was debated if it was in the sea or flying, judging by the sounds of the sea in the video I'd go with the sailing.  Stimulates the imagination doesn't it.

Do you guys think the ship is the structure above the tower @ 3:19 in the races trailer?

[MorDeCaza]

pumpkin pie said:

you can find the pictures on Wiki, Shew already uploaded them there.

Thanks that saves me hours of work, did he upload both the videos or just the first?

[Shew]

both, but I didn't upload concept art that was featured in the trailers and the slideshow

[MorDeCaza]

ha finally finished. Killed a day, now we have 2 more videos to do once ArenaNet releases them.

[Whisper]

The god....... I can't really place it..... It's not Grenth or Balthazar and I can't believe it to be Melerandu or Dwayna.....Lyssa perhaps yet vital indications are missing..... Couldn’t be Kormir either unless Abaddon's energy has changed her over the years and given her the gift of sight back....

Who is she?

EDIT:

After having a closer look I think there might be indications of wings in the shapes. The horns are in reality small wings.
I'm Fairly certain that this is in fact Dwayna.

Edited by Whisper, 23 March 2010 - 11:26 AM.

[Konig Des Todes]

I think the texture of the things around her are that of leaves or bark. The hair also matches Melandru and at the abdomen you can see that there's a slight merging (instead of simple covering) to those leaves/bark. It doesn't make sense to be wings, as why are there none in her back where they always are? Melandru, while depicted with wings in GW1 statues, is not mandatory to have wings, so this fits her much more. It also lacks the duplicity of Lyssa so can't be her, but it may be Kormir as those things could be waves or simply raw waves of power and the armor kind of fits Kormir's sunspear armor - though her hair is much different.

[Thalador]

And what if the humans imagine Lyssa as only one goddess now (due to new informations her, for example). I've never truly believed that she's a twin. Kekai Kotaki's latest concept art of Lyssa shows her as only one beautiful woman, then the scriptures of Lyssa does not mention twins, but that "she pulled from her body the robes of plague, revealing Herself to be the goddess Lyssa.". Only the manuscripts state that she's a twin (+ the in-game depictions of Lyssa), but as I said before, maybe humanity now perceive her as one goddess.

[Whisper]

...... One could say that Kekai might need to reconsider that design.....Since it's not obvious which of the godesses it decepts no?

[Feathermoore]

Thalador Doomspeaker said:

And what if the humans imagine Lyssa as only one goddess now (due to new informations her, for example). I've never truly believed that she's a twin. Kekai Kotaki's latest concept art of Lyssa shows her as only one beautiful woman, then the scriptures of Lyssa does not mention twins, but that "she pulled from her body the robes of plague, revealing Herself to be the goddess Lyssa.". Only the manuscripts state that she's a twin (+ the in-game depictions of Lyssa), but as I said before, maybe humanity now perceive her as one goddess.

I thought her statues were depicting the two sides of her and not trying to say that she was a twin. The statue may show twins (but the colors are reversed) but I thought that the twin references always talked about the statue and not Lyssa herself.

[Whisper]

Feathermoore said:

I thought her statues were depicting the two sides of her and not trying to say that she was a twin. The statue may show twins (but the colors are reversed) but I thought that the twin references always talked about the statue and not Lyssa herself.

She has always been mentioned as the Twin Godess....

[Feathermoore]

Whisper said:

She has always been mentioned as the Twin Godess....

That does not mean she is a twin. That just means she has two sides....its a rather common litereary technique. Saying she is the "Twin Goddes" is not the same as saying that Lyssa is a set of twins (especially since the factions manual references her nature as paradoxical).

Though, isn't that concept art of the Dervish Avatar form?



On another note:

http://wiki.guildwar...orncreature.jpg

Looks more like a statue than a minion. Oddly, it looks like a cross between Grenth and Balth. Perhaps its Grenth before he became Grenth we know? (baseless thought)

Edited by Feathermoore, 23 March 2010 - 04:23 PM.

[MorDeCaza]

I can't see it as Melandru, there's just nothing that for sure nature-ish in that picture.  The stuff around her could easily be wind or fire.

[Konig Des Todes]

Not going to be fire, that's for sure. Fire belongs to Balthazar - a guy.

@Thalador and Feathermoore: That concept art of Kekai's is of the avatar, which has been changed to hold a mask of multiple faces (much like Melandru's was change to be more plant-like and Dwayna's changed to be blue). Kekai!=official lore. As to the twin thing: Lyssa's always depicted as twins (except in one concept art by Kekai) and obviously a human cannot split into two for the avatar (thus a flawed argument).

It is possible she has schizophrenia, but if all depictions of her show her as two separate beings, then it has to be one mighty big revelation that Lyssa's not two beings - or even to depict her as one.

[Joiry]

Lyssa as the "twin goddess" just refers to her many dual natures.  Beauty as both Illusion and Substance.  Both Inner and Outer "beauty".  Etc, etc.  Mainly, the overall feel and the pose suggest to me its not Lyssa.

The things around the statue don't seem very leaflike to me - maybe from certain strange kinds of plants.  The cowl/collar also doesn't seem very Melandru-ish to me.

The figure appears to be wearing a cape.  The horn-like things could be small wings/feathers.  There's something similar on Kormir's headdress, tho angled down.

PS - everytime I see the title of this thread, "total break down", makes me think some calamitous event happened at GDC.

[MorDeCaza]

"PS - everytime I see the title of this thread, "total break down", makes me think some calamitous event happened at GDC. " Lol I'm sorry, and Konig I know fire is for Balthazar, but I'm just saying wood would not be one of the first choices I'd pick with that, I was just giving examples.  I think Kormir would be the safest bet here.

Also in both statues of Balthazar in the GW2 art book, there are wolves around him, which makes me thing they're gonna add the wolf as the totem animal for Balthazar.

[Joiry]

I think those are more hounds than wolves.  Both canines, but different.  Wolves are wild.  Hounds are something bred for a purpose.

[Konig Des Todes]

According to the manual, the canine is already attributed to Balthazar, so it isn't a "will be" :p - specifically they are called battlehounds. Also if you look at his avatar (dervish form), the shoulders have dog (be it hound or wolf) heads.

[Gmr Leon]

In regards to Lyssa, original Manuscripts description:

Prophecies Manuscripts. said:

The twin goddesses of beauty and illusion, Lyssa is the patron god of the Mesmer profession. Many a spellcaster has fallen under the charms of these two, making it easy for them to choose to specialize in the mesmeric arts. Lyssa is usually portrayed in her natural state—a pair of twin, intertwined goddesses, back to back, no illusions or glamours involved. There are stories of young men stopping to gaze longingly at statues of the beautiful goddesses, only to forget themselves and die of thirst while simply looking on.

Only in the later Manuscripts, which to an extent are more impersonal to the deities or simply copy and pasted over (in the case of Factions) is she described more as a single entity.

However, regardless of this, all artwork in the game depicts her as being two beings:

[Feathermoore]

Konig Des Todes said:

@Thalador and Feathermoore: That concept art of Kekai's is of the avatar, which has been changed to hold a mask of multiple faces (much like Melandru's was change to be more plant-like and Dwayna's changed to be blue). Kekai!=official lore. As to the twin thing: Lyssa's always depicted as twins (except in one concept art by Kekai) and obviously a human cannot split into two for the avatar (thus a flawed argument).

It is possible she has schizophrenia, but if all depictions of her show her as two separate beings, then it has to be one mighty big revelation that Lyssa's not two beings - or even to depict her as one.

Yes yes, if you look back you will see me mention that.

I am not referring to schizophrenia (or anything like that). I am referring to a symbolic seperation as Lyssa represents two sides.

For instance. In our Christian religion (by our I mean Earth's before anyone complains) God is refered to as 3 seperate entities (father son and holy ghost) yet these three entities are the same (as god). <reminds me of all for one and one for all as a random thought> Another example would be how we portray god as an old man with a massive white beard. It is how we have always done it. It is a symbol that we created. It is immportant to recognize that humans made the statues, and that the statues would be based off of the views of the humans and would be symbols.

You cannot throw out the other two manuscripts and just read the proph. The other two are canon as well. Not only that, but the differences lead toward my idea that the statues (and views of the gods) are built off of the opinions of those in that area. Tyria may view Lyssa as two seperate beings as one, Cantha and Elona quite plainly do not.

In further support;

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Tyrian artists often portray Lyssa as two goddesses: twin figures of exquisite beauty entwined in an eternal dance.

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Depictions of Lyssa in Canthan culture reflect the typical northern style: lithe twin figures of exquisite beauty entwined in an eternal dance.

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The patron goddess of Mesmers wears many masks, appearing in myriad forms.

[Gmr Leon]

Feathermoore said:

Tyria may view Lyssa as two seperate beings as one, Cantha and Elona quite plainly do not.

This is inaccurate, note my post above yours, as one of the images I have under spoiler tags due to its size is the mural from the Plaza of the Five Gods in Gandara. This is clearly in the same style as the other murals, and is almost certainly of the Elonian depiction of the Gods and Goddesses, not a Canthan or Tyrian import.

[Feathermoore]

Gmr Leon said:

This is inaccurate, note my post above yours, as one of the images I have under spoiler tags due to its size is the mural from the Plaza of the Five Gods in Gandara. This is clearly in the same style as the other murals, and is almost certainly of the Elonian depiction of the Gods and Goddesses, not a Canthan or Tyrian import.

Depict and View are very different.

The Nightfall Manuscript mentions many forms. It also puts a focus on masks (another way of portraying duality). It also does not refer to Lyssa as plural.

The Tyrian artists quote is from the nightfall manuscript. It mentions that artists portray her as twins. Nowhere does it say the people think she is a  set of twins (if you portray something as something, it normally isnt that)