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#91 Drokk

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 06:50 PM

Meh, I'll never use the official forums, since they'll be a complete nightmare. ANet can think it'll be a 'nice place' all they want; that's just a pipe dream. And if Martin gets annoyed at some of the peoples' reactions on this site...wait until you're dealing with millions of entitled brats after release.

#92 Specialz

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 06:50 PM

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The moderating here is generally good. The problem is that it's been on a gradual decline because two factors. There's been an influx of new forum members, who the vast majority come from other MMOs and they have tendency to bring that baggage here. Moderators struggle with trying to remain unbiased and just feel overwhelmed by the hostility and stubbornness. The second factor is that the change to Curse has made moderators less pro-active. They abide by Curse's rules and are feeling less motivated to participate in conversations. Several Mods here don't really have the same passion as they did with GW1. It's not because of the game, but rather their priorities have changed with their life.

But let me repeat, the moderating here is generally really good, and certainly better than ANY official forum of any MMO.

I didn't say anything about the moderation, directly I am talking about the way people here like to scream bloody murder over the little things.

I am not talking about the random stupid threads, I am not talking about the mods. I am talking about the way people overreach and whine. If you don't see it that's fine. But its a widely known, by a others that people here can be a little bit nuts.

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Oh man, you're naive. This place is like a Sunday school right now. You haven't seen anything until the game comes out. "You can't please all of the people all of time."

Anyway, I welcome such an announcement. Some variety is good in our sources of info/debate! I don't think it would hurt Guru, if anything it might just make people curious about what kind of things there are to do here versus elsewhere. Every website has its own differences.

I am gonna assume you don't know the definition of the word naive. Go reread what I wrote, I ever made my comparison with respect to official forums.
added: I wasn't talking about today or yesterday, I have been on this forum for a long time to know the way people act tyvm. Also, it doesn't take much to get things crazy here.

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#93 Martin Kerstein

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 06:51 PM

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Easier said than done ;)

No, it is actually easy. There is no rule that you have to tolerate obnoxious behaviour. If people want to be "cool kids on the internet", they can do so. But not on our forums.

Juanele said:

Good luck Martin, I think your moderating team will need it.

They will need energy drinks and a clear set of rules which we will provide. ;)

Just to make this point clear: Many of us have been around gaming communities for a long time, as players as well as professionals. We are not naive. There was a lot of research and thought behind what we want to achieve.

And i am sure a lot of people might have to adjust their online behaviour, which is probably a good thing.

#94 Mianhe

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 06:52 PM

Drokk said:

Meh, I'll never use the official forums, since they'll be a complete nightmare. ANet can think it'll be a 'nice place' all they want; that's just a pipe dream. And if Martin gets annoyed at some of peoples' reactions on this site...wait until you're dealing with millions of entitled brats after release.

Are you implying guru is not a complete nightmare right now?

Your opinion is only that, your opinion..

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 06:52 PM

Would be fun to work in such a place.

You are fooling yourself, user. Nothing here is what it seems. ANet is not the plucky hero, Guru is not an evil empire, and this is not the grand arena.



Questions about moderation? For the love of Balthazar ask them here!


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Posted 15 March 2012 - 06:53 PM

I love the idea of having a more streamlined central hub of incoming and outgoing information. Guilds will probably get a lot more support as well in terms of recruiting players or getting themselves known. I'd love to see server statistics such as WvW status, # of players, etc. The more information the better! With Anet's manpower moderating the forums I feel topics will be more structured and meaningful as well, not that mods here don't already do an amazing job.

I wouldn't be too worried about GW2 guru. Since the community is the people itself, if everyone shifts over we're not really losing much :D

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 06:54 PM

Mianhe said:

Are you implying guru is not a complete nightmare right now?

Your opinion is only that, your opinion..

Have you seen the official forums of SWTOR and WoW?  WoW's game is built around ppl whining about something, found on the forums no less.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 06:54 PM

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It's cool to hate on Facebook right now. That's all.
Meh. I hated on FB before it was cool to hate on FB.jpg.

At any rate, I'm not sure how I feel about an official forum. There's no denying they can be very useful, but there's also no denying that they can turn into acidic cesspools. Have to wait and see, I suppose...

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 06:54 PM

I doubt the official forums will be as constructive and moderated as this one. It will steal all the trolls and idiots away from the GW2G community.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 06:54 PM

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If Guru remained a community site instead of a Curse network, I'm betting this wouldn't have happened.

It makes sense that ArenaNet doesn't want their community handled by another company.

Yep.

I'm hoping for some tight controls on the crying with the foundations being laid for a communicative relationship between devs and players. One thing I'm looking for is a good way to identify the good contributors from the bad.

For example on WoW's forums each class had their population of excellent theory crafters/pro players who's words you could and should heed when it came to playing the game. But the Blizzard mods would never acknowledge or support those players, in fact I can remember one time shortly before I quit where an incoming nerf to a class was blatantly going to break things and when one of the pillars of the class' community spoke out against it. They got banninated resulting in the removal of every useful post they had ever contributed years of theory crafting and useful information was gone.

Official forums can be very good if they are well moderated and actually used as a dialog between developers and players. I hope ArenaNet pulls this off.

#101 Drokk

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 06:55 PM

Mianhe said:

Are you implying guru is not a complete nightmare right now?

Your opinion is only that, your opinion..
Guru is a very good community, compared to many others. My opinion is my opinion? Really? Wow, my mind is blown! ;)

Anyway, I wished them good luck because they're going to need it.

#102 Mairenne

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 06:55 PM

I'm excited for official forums.  I'd rather see game updates/community updates on an official forum than a non-official forum simply because I know I won't have actually missed something Anet wants to share.  But I'm not a heavy Facebook or Twitter user, so if they post updates there and not on the official forums, that's gonna kinda suck.

However - official forums do tend to carry the brunt of the negative community members.  Complaints are always posted, and any kind of kudos get slammed down quickly (from my past experiences on other official forums).  But everyone has their right to say what's on their mind.  It's the moderators that will have to stay on top of whether what's being said is against forum policy or not.

As for Guru - I'm a brand new member here, but I can't imagine people will flee en mass to head over to the official forums.  If someone's already got themselves settled down in here, and Anet is still going to remain active here, they'll get the info they want and need.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 06:55 PM

The way I see it, if they are continuing to support fan-sites large and small, maybe the official forum will act more as a hub you visit now and then, and then use to find the fansite that caters to your take on things, be it a facet of gameplay (PvP, RP, etc.) or a type of personality.

Maybe their plan to make the official forums better is to gather all players together under one roof and then point out all the other places they can go for a more tight-knit group.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 06:56 PM

Martin Kerstein said:

No, it is actually easy. There is no rule that you have to tolerate obnoxious behaviour. If people want to be "cool kids on the internet", they can do so. But not on our forums.



They will need energy drinks and a clear set of rules which we will provide. ;)

Just to make this point clear: Many of us have been around gaming communities for a long time, as players as well as professionals. We are not naive. There was a lot of research and thought behind what we want to achieve.

And i am sure a lot of people might have to adjust their online behaviour, which is probably a good thing.

Yea, just don't become one of those blizzard/bioware forums where if anyone says anything you don't agree with or negative about your company you start banning people.

That kind of stuff makes me sick to my stomach. And it has been going on a bit here on guru as well, mods don't always stay entirely objective.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 06:57 PM

Martin Kerstein said:

No, it is actually easy. There is no rule that you have to tolerate obnoxious behaviour. If people want to be "cool kids on the internet", they can do so. But not on our forums.

They will need energy drinks and a clear set of rules which we will provide. ;)

Just to make this point clear: Many of us have been around gaming communities for a long time, as players as well as professionals. We are not naive. There was a lot of research and thought behind what we want to achieve.

And i am sure a lot of people might have to adjust their online behaviour, which is probably a good thing.
Sounds heavy handed...I like it. Just make sure not to go overboard, like Guru can at times.

#106 Martin Kerstein

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 06:57 PM

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I doubt the official forums will be as constructive and moderated as this one. It will steal all the trolls and idiots away from the GW2G community.

Which part of "We will make sure our forums reflect our standards" was unclear? ;)

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 06:57 PM

Martin Kerstein said:

And i am sure a lot of people might have to adjust their online behaviour, which is probably a good thing.

+1 for epic win :D.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 06:59 PM

Martin Kerstein said:

No, it is actually easy. There is no rule that you have to tolerate obnoxious behaviour. If people want to be "cool kids on the internet", they can do so. But not on our forums.



They will need energy drinks and a clear set of rules which we will provide. ;)

Just to make this point clear: Many of us have been around gaming communities for a long time, as players as well as professionals. We are not naive. There was a lot of research and thought behind what we want to achieve.

And i am sure a lot of people might have to adjust their online behaviour, which is probably a good thing.

Made me laugh. I'm looking forward to the official forums. Should be fun to see what happens when people have to be polite.

#109 Mairenne

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 07:00 PM

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Yea, just don't become one of those blizzard/bioware forums where if anyone says anything you don't agree with or negative about your company you start banning people.

That kind of stuff makes me sick to my stomach. And it has been going on a bit here on guru as well, mods don't always stay entirely objective.

I've seen this often enough - and moderating things like this can be tough.  Knowing the difference between what is allowed and what you agree with, and being able to moderate only what isn't allowed is the key.

It can be done.  I know - I've done it. ;)

#110 Pete

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 07:00 PM

Like Martin said, Anet will probably have moderaters browsing the forums.

I'm looking forward to the official forums.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 07:02 PM

Martin Kerstein said:

Which part of "We will make sure our forums reflect our standards" was unclear? ;)
It's clear, but I don't see you acknowledging the vast difficulty of creating a forum that doesn't have heavy population of whiners and trolls. Saying it's easy isn't exactly holding much weight.

Unless you have some trick up your sleeves to stow the pettiness that plague official MMO forums.  I really can't take you too seriously. I mean I would LOVE for GW2 forums to really succeed, and they certainly deserve so, but it's wishful thinking at this point.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 07:02 PM

mmmm maybe I've missed this, or it hasn't been said/asked, but:

♦Will these forums- gw1 and gw2 will be linked together? - Basically will I have to create a new account for each one or will I have a universal account that I can use on gw1 and gw2 forum.
♦Just to clarify gw1 is also getting forums right ?
♦Will it be a fully new registration or will it be linked to the actual game accounts - maybe at personal info listing characters, etc?
♦And are we to expect these forums/website changes before gw2 launch, at the time of launch or after the game has been released?  

Sorry if these things have already been answered/asked.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 07:02 PM

I'm actually really happy to see they're at least doing something to make a better community than previous games done, +1 for official forums but the most exciting things are the other community tools that MK mentioned in the blog post, and I wonder why nobody said a word here about that, I'm really excited, but I guess a lot of ppl see the official forums as competency, too bad for you. Even if ANet fails at mantaining a mature and respectful forum we can always come here so what's to loose ?
Also, can't wait to see the new GW2 website!

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 07:03 PM

Senatic said:

Yea, just don't become one of those blizzard/bioware forums where if anyone says anything you don't agree with or negative about your company you start banning people.

That kind of stuff makes me sick to my stomach. And it has been going on a bit here on guru as well, mods don't always stay entirely objective.

This is the most important thing

You need to listen to your community to know what they don't like, don't become Bioware ! Just look at Dragon Age 2, don't let this happen to Guild Wars !

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 07:03 PM

First post here, and sorry for my english ;)

Official forums are a nightmare like wow or swtor; here in guildwars2guru I see one of the best and mature comunity.

For me this is the official forum, forever :D

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 07:03 PM

Lol guys see on the background, they have my charr on the library!!!
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Posted 15 March 2012 - 07:04 PM

Wow. If someone had asked me yesterday if GW2 would have official forums, my response would probably have been along the lines of, "No f***ing way." To say that I am surprised is....well, putting it mildly.

Sidenote: I love how Rytlock's statue towers over all of the other miniatures on that shelf.

#118 Big Ol Norn

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 07:04 PM

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Sounds heavy handed...I like it.

lol'ing hard at the white knights right now.

The whole of the internets is surreal at times.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 07:04 PM

Eh... I'm a bit... trepidatious.

I'll stick with Guru and lurk the official forums for a time, before making a final decision as to whether I should embrace them or not though...

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 07:05 PM

I'm glad where we'll have a place where they can directly look at our feedback, where we can get support easily, and defiantly where I can put and endless list of complements of the game (whenever I get to play it, feel free to through the release date in to get rid of this problem ;) ) I'll just be excited after this month, when all the nitty gritty information comes out so I can shut up all the noobs.