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Poll: Gold to Gem trading - how do you feel? (2438 member(s) have cast votes)

Gold to Gem trading - how do you feel?

  1. I love the idea of trading gems and gold (574 votes [23.54%])

    Percentage of vote: 23.54%

  2. It sounds like it may be good, but time will tell (1024 votes [42.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 42.00%

  3. Neutral/don't care/don't know/just want people to stop complaining (427 votes [17.51%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.51%

  4. It sounds like it will negatively affect my enjoyment of the game (230 votes [9.43%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.43%

  5. I hate the idea of trading gems and gold. (183 votes [7.51%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.51%

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#1 saladin1

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 05:30 PM

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Enjoy ><

ArenaNet Feedback:

On the subject of what will be in the store:

Martin Kerstein said:

Just to jump right onto this (as I was expecting this comment: Take into account the gem/gold trading system. Everything that is in the store will basically be available for gold with this system - so it doesn't really matter what is in the store, as it is also available for players who play and don't want to spend additional money.

Also - we can't talk about something that isn't finalised yet, as Mike mentioned right in the beginning. :)

In response to people worried about inflation or people getting rich instantly:

Martin Kerstein said:

That gold is coming from other players. So somebody must have an abundance of gold if he trades it to a player. The system is not adding new gold from the outside.

In response to worries about possible P2W items:

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I assure you that you aren't being ignored, as Mike said in his blog post there will be nothing classed as evil (P2W) for gems! ^AT

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Here are a few important clarifications about our microtransaction system. First, that gold is coming from other players. So somebody must have an abundance of gold if he trades it to a player. The system is not adding new gold from the outside.

Second, take into account the gem/gold trading system. Everything that is in the store will basically be available for gold with this system - so it doesn't really matter what is in the store, as it is also available for players who play and don't want to spend additional money. Hope that helps! ~RB2

Edited by KQ, 22 March 2012 - 02:55 PM.
Added Rubi's post.


#2 Sargerus

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 05:33 PM

MMO veterans will note the similarities of our system to EVE Online’s PLEX system. As in that case, our system takes gold trading out of the hands of real-money trading (RMT) companies and puts it directly in the hands of players.
We think that’s a great thing


well, that's interesting...

Edited by Sargerus, 20 March 2012 - 05:35 PM.


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Posted 20 March 2012 - 05:33 PM

I have only one thing to say: Meh...

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 05:33 PM

This is exactly the system I was expecting...gold for gems and gems for gold all being traded between players... sweeet!

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 05:34 PM

I think this is horrible.

Now I can just buy loads of Gems and sell them to players for money and I'll be the richest person in the game Day 1.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 05:35 PM

Not sure what I think of this system. Someone please present a compelling argument to me...

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 05:35 PM

The article kind of missed the mark. Yeah sure, gems exist, but that was more or less confirmed before. What people wanted to know was what kind of things gems will buy in the store. THAT is what has people worried. It somewhat worries me that the topic of the store content was avoided.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 05:36 PM

murpo said:

I think this is horrible.

Now I can just buy loads of Gems and sell them to players for money and I'll be the richest person in the game Day 1.

Yup, richest person day.. oh wait, whose gonna buy them?.... Nobody will have money Day 1.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 05:36 PM

Viscero said:

The article kind of missed the mark. Yeah sure, gems exist, but that was more or less confirmed before. What people wanted to know was what kind of things gems will buy in the store. THAT is what has people worried. It somewhat worries me that the topic of the store content was avoided.

Exactly this


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Yup, richest person day.. oh wait, whose gonna buy them?.... Nobody will have money Day 1.

Money = Gems so I will have money Day 1. There won't be a lot of gold day 1, I guess you're right.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 05:36 PM

murpo said:

I think this is horrible.

Now I can just buy loads of Gems and sell them to players for money and I'll be the richest person in the game Day 1.

Great! Thanks for funding the future updates of the game :)

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 05:36 PM

They better do this right...

Edited by Matsy, 20 March 2012 - 05:40 PM.


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Posted 20 March 2012 - 05:36 PM

It sounds alright in theory but it'll mostly have to see what happens when the game actually begins.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 05:37 PM

aww, my post got deleted.  

My reaction of "head 'splodes" clearly didn't convey my intent to point out that this article needed to be a couple paragraphs longer.  I'm not "worried" about the shop, but he could've clarified things a bit more

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 05:37 PM

After reading that, it was as everyone feared. There is opportunity for pay to win. Rich ppl can just buy gems and sell in-game for gold to get ahead. In some ways it could provide bonuses, for those who want microtransactions, but have no spare cash in real-life. I can foresee problems.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 05:37 PM

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I think this is horrible.

Now I can just buy loads of Gems and sell them to players for money and I'll be the richest person in the game Day 1.

And what will u do with all the gold???

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 05:37 PM

Well, at least it makes gold farming redundant.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 05:37 PM

Omg, this means we can get any item in cash shop just by playing the game and using in-game gold! It will take more time but I think it's great. It's similar to League of Legends where you can buy champions by using influence points (ingame money) or riot points (real life money). It takes much more time to get enough to buy it, but you play for free and still get everything!

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 05:37 PM

Viscero said:

The article kind of missed the mark. Yeah sure, gems exist, but that was more or less confirmed before. What people wanted to know was what kind of things gems will buy in the store. THAT is what has people worried. It somewhat worries me that the topic of the store content was avoided.

Actually, while not telling us what is in the store they said the store will be testable during the beta events. Meaning we will have the info of WHAT is in the store soon.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 05:37 PM

Sweet. I was hoping the rumors were true. Now I can use gameplay to get the micro-transaction items if I want.

I really like this, even if it does have half the community very worried.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 05:37 PM

murpo said:

I think this is horrible.

Now I can just buy loads of Gems and sell them to players for money and I'll be the richest person in the game Day 1.

But what does that get you? A bunch of armour you can't use until you level up and is statistically no more powerful than anyone else's? Sure, you can look prettier, but it isn't going to make you a more effective player. Who cares who's the richest?

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 05:37 PM

murpo said:

I think this is horrible.

Now I can just buy loads of Gems and sell them to players for money and I'll be the richest person in the game Day 1.

And if you want to waste real money to do that, then that's fine with us.  Does it mean anything to be rich in a video game?  Not really.  It's comparable to all the people who race to get the first comment on Facebook.  It doesn't mean anything and you're going to look like a fool.

This will be nice for when I don't feel like farming and just want to buy an armor set.  :D

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 05:38 PM

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After reading that, it was as everyone feared. There is opportunity for pay to win. Rich ppl can just buy gems and sell in-game for gold to get ahead. In some ways it could provide bonuses, for those who want microtransactions, but have no spare cash in real-life. I can foresee problems.

So what are they going to spend their massive pile of gold on? Gear which is exactly the same as everyone else's? Consumables that everybody can buy?

If a player chooses to support the game by buying gold then good for them, but it's no skin off my nose.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 05:38 PM

Not sure of i like the system yet. Gonna go at it open minded after release, let's see how it turns out.

I like that we have the possibillity to get Shop-Items through ingame means, the buying gold via gems has me a bit worried. But since there isn't that big an advantage you can get with GW2's Gold than other games it is less big a deal people make of it.

At least this system is not as bad as Diablo 3's real-money auctionhouse.

Edited by HellfireWarlocks, 20 March 2012 - 05:50 PM.


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Posted 20 March 2012 - 05:38 PM

*starts the apocalypse countdown; adjusts tie*

It was good knowing you all.

Jesting aside, I'm not sure how I feel about this. I think it worked in EVE because PLEX only had one use and that was to extend game time. In GW2 you can now purchase things like weapons, armor, etc. Those are lasting items that stay with your character and negate the time required to actually work to achieve those items. Thus, diminishing the accomplishment of having done so. PLEX merely offered a way around having to pay the subscription fee. Not to mention the creation of PLEX took a lot of ISK out of the economy, whereas this system will not do so.

Cautious would be the word I use to describe my approach to this system. I'll give it a chance, but I'm very wary about the way this will turn out in the grand scheme of things.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 05:38 PM

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and it’s never OK for players who spend money to have an unfair advantage over players who don’t.

Trading gems for gold does just this. Way to contradict yourself.

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MMO veterans will note the similarities of our system to EVE Online’s PLEX system. As in that case, our system takes gold trading out of the hands of real-money trading (RMT) companies and puts it directly in the hands of players.

We think that’s a great thing.

Also, an MMORPG economic system is NOT EVE. EVE has one of the best currency sinks in existence: destruction of your ship. This gem RMT system will cause inflation to go up as people farm countless gold to purchase gems from players.

Edited by wyvern, 20 March 2012 - 05:41 PM.


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Posted 20 March 2012 - 05:38 PM

Viscero said:

The article kind of missed the mark. Yeah sure, gems exist, but that was more or less confirmed before. What people wanted to know was what kind of things gems will buy in the store. THAT is what has people worried. It somewhat worries me that the topic of the store content was avoided.

Just to jump right onto this (as I was expecting this comment: Take into account the gem/gold trading system. Everything that is in the store will basically be available for gold with this system - so it doesn't really matter what is in the store, as it is also available for players who play and don't want to spend additional money.

Also - we can't talk about something that isn't finalised yet, as Mike mentioned right in the beginning. :)

wyvern said:

Trading gems for gold does just this.

No, it doesn't. Please reread the blog and spent a few minutes on understanding the gem/gold trading system, it does the opposite.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 05:39 PM

Yeah, nice system;) This will also attract more players who like trading;) And no more grinding for gold, just buy it with money $$ :P

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Martin Kerstein said:

Just to jump right onto this (as I was expecting this comment: Take into account the gem/gold trading system. Everything that is in the store will basically be available for gold with this system - so it doesn't really matter what is in the store, as it is also available for players who play and don't want to spend additional money.

Also - we can't talk about something that isn't finalised yet, as Mike mentioned right in the beginning. :)

Sweet, so I can get all the cosmetics that you offer in the shop by just playing the game(if I have enough free-time to get the right amount of gold to trade that for gems and then buy the item in the shop)

Edited by rodasta, 20 March 2012 - 05:41 PM.


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Posted 20 March 2012 - 05:39 PM

As long as the whole, gem -> gold and, gold -> gem thing, holds true, so you dont HAVE TO spend money.
I'm not too worried about anything.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 05:39 PM

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Not sure what I think of this system. Someone please present a compelling argument to me...

You could already buy in game gold for real $, probably no way of stopping that, so why not make it so players are benefiting instead of third party companies who are probably obtaining them in unethical ways.

It allows players who play a lot to actually get MORE content, or MORE character slots for free.

It doesn't give any player spending real money any advantage since the unique items will be purchased not with gold, but with karma or by earning dungeon tokens.

I think the system is fine, people are just going to rage :)

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 05:39 PM

'stay calm and don't panic'

Just throwing it out there before the thread explode, like every single news related thread in the past few months.

As for the Idea of gems? they're great. Removing gold farmers from the equation is a smart move. Whether people like it or not, RMT were always going to happen, i'd rather the game be built around accomodating it. If it's judged as P2W, just bring up the fact that the best armors are dungeon currency and karma related, and also refer to EVE.

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