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#1 Apoth

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 06:13 AM

this way those guilds that want to have exclusive guild mates can see if a potential app has multiple guilds tied to the character. make this a "leadership" power that has to be purchased so not everyone will have it or have use for it.

this way everyone wins, those that want to have multiple guilds can they just stay away from those guilds asking for exclusivity and the guild leaders that want to keep exclusivity has a tool to keep the exclusivity without being secretive.


now i know the first question is "ask them", and while that might work in some cases people do have a tendency to lie.

#2 jondifool

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 06:17 AM

you could argue that "thats non of your guilds business".

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 06:18 AM

Something like that isn't needed. You can only actually be in and talk with 1 guild at a time. The feature just lets you join up and switch between multiple guilds on the fly. So it will be pretty easy to see who are dedicated guild members and who are not.

At least this was the case when they first started talking about it. I haven't heard anything different since then though.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 06:18 AM

i kind of agree although there's not much guild focus in gw2, as in not much competition going on. so it shouldn't matter in the sense of spies and people leaking stuff to do with pvp like it was with game like AOC. how do we tell which guild were talking to buy the way lol?

#5 Waar Kijk Je Naar

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 06:18 AM

Why? If they want to be in multiple guilds, let them. Why would you even want to restrict people to only 1 guild?

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 06:19 AM

rebalnz said:

i kind of agree although there's not much guild focus in gw2, as in not much competition going on. so it shouldn't matter in the sense of spies and people leaking stuff to do with pvp like it was with game like AOC. how do we tell which guild were talking to buy the way lol?

You can only represent 1 guild at a time and the guild chat is active for just that 1 guild. So no being able to talk to multiple guilds at once, at least that's the latest info we've had so far.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 06:20 AM

How far would you want to go?

Having two guilds on one char is no different then having 2 chars in 2 guilds :\

Granted I understand why "exclusivity" would be wanted but at the same time it is mostly pointless.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 06:20 AM

Why would it matter really? Why would you force people to only be in your guild? People do have the right to be in any number of guilds they want.
If you want to force people to focus on your guild, simply add an activity requirement.

#9 blue cheez

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 06:25 AM

You should be able to join multiple guilds.

If you want to take PvP seriously, you have to join a PvP guild.
A lot of drama happens when people leave their guild of real-life friends to join a PvP guild.

I'd be so much easier if you could just be in both. (Alliances tried to fix this issue, but that just makes more drama, as you need to get your pvp guild to ally with some random guild of your friends)

As for the chat issue, just have all guilds in the same chat with a [bracket] to indicate which guild they're in. If you want to talk to one of the guilds, you press a button to tab through to the guild you want to speak to.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 06:31 AM

jondifool said:

you could argue that "thats non of your guilds business".

I second that. If a player decides to log out of your guild to do anything else, be it to get out of the house, to get something to eat, or to play with another guild on a different type of content, that all means the same to you: he doesn't want to play with you at that moment, and that's his problem, not yours.

If you want to require players to represent your guild for a minimum of X hours/week to retain his membership, that's one thing you as a guild leader is free to do. So if players don't play enough, you can kick him out. Now, if he's not online, what he's doing with his time is his business, and you don't have the right to require him to tell you.

I know for one I won't even consider joining any guilds that tell me they require me to not-join other guilds. I think it's a morally wrong position to take, and I don't want any business with guilds like that.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 06:35 AM

It may already happen in the game, depening on how the roster is handled. For example, what happens when a member switches their representation? Are they still shown in the roster? Maybe they're shown as offline or not currently representing? One of these options will let you see when a member stops representing. Even if it "kicks" them, you can watch when they logout, using the friends list.

But what you're asking for is pretty much a spy tool. It's not going to happen because of the invasion of privacy.

rebalnz said:

how do we tell which guild were talking to buy the way lol?

By remembering what guild you're currently representing, or by looking in the guild tab. Otherwise, you're just talking in [Guild].

Waar Kijk Je Naar said:

Why? If they want to be in multiple guilds, let them. Why would you even want to restrict people to only 1 guild?

I've seen some very hardcore guilds that have a no alt/multiple guilds policy. You're basically a slave to the guild, where all your time is devoted 100% to them. Whether you're farming gold, doing dungeons or farming mats, it's all for the guild. This is usually found in guilds that want to be "world first" but just aren't good enough.

Some do it for loyalty. After all, if you never look into other guilds, you'll never see how the grass is greener.

Some do it, because they want to be a "secret society"

There are many other reasons for it, but it's usually just because of the guild leader's personality.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 06:35 AM

If some guild have rule like "You are not allowed to join other guilds", then I simply don't join that guild at all. I am sure majority of players who want to play with more than 1 guild will simply avoid such guilds. No need to give guild master ability spy on guild members.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 06:37 AM

Why for leaders? I suppose anyone right click you and can see all the guilds you are in.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 06:37 AM

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If you want to take PvP seriously, you have to join a PvP guild.
A lot of drama happens when people leave their guild of real-life friends to join a PvP guild.

I'd be so much easier if you could just be in both. (Alliances tried to fix this issue, but that just makes more drama, as you need to get your pvp guild to ally with some random guild of your friends)

It's exactly my position. I plan to put together a very small PvE guild with my friends, just big enough to keep a steady group for leveling and doing instances, maybe also building a closed group to try getting into the structured PvP ladder. Additionally, I want to join, possibly with my whole PvE group, a big PvP-focused guild that can do well on WvW. I think it's the best way to be focused on what I want to do at time.

Edited by Kemwer, 10 April 2012 - 07:35 AM.


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Posted 10 April 2012 - 06:40 AM

Healix said:

Maybe they're shown as offline or not currently representing? One of these options will let you see when a member stops representing. Even if it "kicks" them, you can watch when they logout, using the friends list.

They are shown as offline on the guild, and you can also choose to login as offline on your friend's lists as well. When you are logging in there is an option similar to IM software to login as offline.

#16 NeHoMaR

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 06:41 AM

I have a question and don't want to make another thread:

If you are a leader, you can still join other guilds? or can you be the leader of multiple guilds?

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 06:41 AM

Honestly guilds should act like a social circle or group. You have one for PvP, one for PvE, or even some for other things like maybe a "Lore" guild or a "Business" guild. Or whatever you want really, you could make a Justin Bieber guild... and you should be able to be in all of them(perhaps some kind of restriction, like 5 guilds at a time).

I really hate most guild systems, because theyre too restrictive. If I want to do PvE I have to join a PvE guild, but what if I want to PvP on the side? Sure some people in that PvE guild will be into some PvP, but not very many. Alliances help somewhat... but it was honestly just a big mess that didnt really accomplish anything but make one huge guild full of fragmented sects. At least with most other MMOs you can have different characters in their own guilds so you could effectively have a character for just PvP in a PvP guild, a PvE character in a PvE guild... etc.

I mean I hate to use Facebook as an example, but I kind of have to since there isnt anything else. You have your account(character), and you can join however many "Groups" you want to. Each group has its own chat(and news feed/notifications), and you can change what gives you a notification(just scheduled events, or any updates). Its something I would like to see MMOs adopt, albeit perhaps a bit more simplified and opt-in(speaking generally for the genre here).

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 06:42 AM

NeHoMaR said:

I have a question and don't want to make another thread:

If you are a leader, you can still join other guilds? or can you be the leader of multiple guilds?

I'm pretty sure you can. If you restricted the guild leaders like that nobody would make any guilds. :D

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 06:43 AM

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Nope they really should not.  The guild leader does not need to know what its members are doing.

Yes and no, Yes if they are representing your entire guild and giving you bad rep. (such as spamming or insulting other players but that can be found out without special tools just a mailbox or whisper system)

No because in this case as I said its pretty much expecting to control that person overall including all of their characters because it is very simple to join multiple guilds in other MMO's with multiple characters.

If you want exclusive guilds say you are exclusive hell even look at them to see if they have tags prior to recruiting. They can lie but the letters on top do not. Then if by any chance they do join another guild later on just kick them.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 06:49 AM

Am I alone in thinking any guild that demands exclusivity in a game where it is designed and intended for players to belong to multiple guilds is a guild I do not wish to belong to?

It's a free world (mostly) and you don't get to dictate what I do in my free time buddy.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 06:50 AM

Salidin said:

Yes and no, Yes if they are representing your entire guild and giving you bad rep. (such as spamming or insulting other players but that can be found out without special tools just a mailbox or whisper system)

No because in this case as I said its pretty much expecting to control that person overall including all of their characters because it is very simple to join multiple guilds in other MMO's with multiple characters.

If you want exclusive guilds say you are exclusive hell even look at them to see if they have tags prior to recruiting. They can lie but the letters on top do not. Then if by any chance they do join another guild later on just kick them.

They are only representing the guild when they log into that guild.  Since he is asking to know what people are doing out side the guild that was what i was addressing.  Context is everything.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 06:50 AM

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Most of these people dont understand b.c they have never been part of a top guild.

Funnily enough I have been in several guilds/allies owning HzH over the years, and they have never forced me to just do FFF all the time.

#23 Zzyzx

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 06:55 AM

I think the website that they mentioned that similar to the "WoW Armory" (whatever that is) will probably show information like this? What guild(s) the player is a member of possibly? I'm not sure what kind of information WoW armory shows because I never played the game but just a possible guess.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 08:25 AM

Yes allow guild leaders who want to discriminate to have this power, but put it in the cashshop for $100 - $200 to pay for the game designers wagers, because the majority dont want this tool. If people want it let them pay for it.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 08:40 AM

I'm sure "mandatory monogamy" guilds will exist, but they will never be technically supported (what this thread is asking for), and thank goodness for that.  I will enjoy watching this outdated ethic die a painful death in a game that understands social health.

OP, I'm afraid, if it's really that important to you, that this is the wrong game for you.

Might as well ask people not to have any alts, It's that dumb.

Also, I would bet money that most people in said "monogamous" guilds are anything but.  Swap servers, swap guilds, it'd be hard to track, and that's intended.

Edited by omedon666, 10 April 2012 - 09:00 AM.


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Posted 10 April 2012 - 09:27 AM

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lol not happening, it's none of your business if another individual decides to join another guild and doesn't want to tell you. this isn't a job or a fraternity, this is a GAME.

Why isn't it? If a guild wants to be exclusive they should be able to and it is your right to simply not join them. Not all guilds should be forced to accept that in this game you can join multiple guilds on one character.

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Am I alone in thinking any guild that demands exclusivity in a game where it is designed and intended for players to belong to multiple guilds is a guild I do not wish to belong to?

It's a free world (mostly) and you don't get to dictate what I do in my free time buddy.

Exactly, it is a free world so a guild should also be able to decide whatever rules they want to impose on their members. At the same time you have the freedom to not join said guild.

Even on Facebook you could easily be booted from a group because you don't meet certain requirements. Heck, on Facebook you can even see which groups someone has joined and that is really all the OP is asking for. If people want guilds to be more like Facebook groups there is no real good reason to be against what the OP is asking for. The old guild system doesn't have to die when you can just opt not to join said type of guilds. You don't have to join every single guild in the game.

Edited by dutch_gamer, 10 April 2012 - 09:51 AM.


#27 Milennin

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 11:52 AM

What's the point in this?
You could just ask your guildies if it's that important to you...

#28 Apoth

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 03:10 PM

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What's the point in this?
You could just ask your guildies if it's that important to you...

people lie for one. the point is that some guilds may want to keep the exclusivity of its guild. I know the guild I am apart of is going this route and we would like tools that allow us to see if potential apps have other guilds they belong to.

I don't see the problem with this tool

1) only the guild leader would have it and have to pay for it in game
2) if you app to a guild like mine then it is our business to know about your in game history. don't want this tool used on you then simply don't app to a guild like mine.

this doesn't hurt the "i want to be in 12 different guilds" types because they probably wouldn't look at a guild like mine.

whats the problem?

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 03:55 PM

I'd rather it be a player controlled ability.

Give players a command to list out the guilds they are part of, or an option in their settings to show them. Then you can simply ask the player to keep this option on, or to list out their guilds to you.

Giving the guild leader that power opens up the potential of idiot guild leads abusing it and causing issues for some players. You might not abuse it, but there will likely be some people out there that spy on what guilds someone is in and use that information in a not so nice manner.

Edit: Alternatively, make it a guild option and have a message pop up when a player goes to join that warns them about how their general guild info will be open for viewing if they join.

Edited by Meltzeiferion, 10 April 2012 - 04:08 PM.


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Posted 10 April 2012 - 04:51 PM

Apoth said:

people lie for one. the point is that some guilds may want to keep the exclusivity of its guild. I know the guild I am apart of is going this route and we would like tools that allow us to see if potential apps have other guilds they belong to.

I don't see the problem with this tool

1) only the guild leader would have it and have to pay for it in game
2) if you app to a guild like mine then it is our business to know about your in game history. don't want this tool used on you then simply don't app to a guild like mine.

this doesn't hurt the "i want to be in 12 different guilds" types because they probably wouldn't look at a guild like mine.

whats the problem?
If you and you're guild want to go this route then by all means do so but the problem I and others have is, this is not a police state where you should be able to check up to see if people are lying to you.   Innocent till proven guilty so to speak.  If you ask you're members for exclusivity and they agree then that should be that, but when you ask for the right to check up on people that's where I have a problem.  If you can't trust the people you invite then either they probably weren't trustworthy, or what you're asking them to do is unreasonable in their eyes.  I also think I can go out on an limb and say never in a million years would Anet go for this.  Just food for thought.