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[Mathjoh]

Remember that ArenaNET propably wants the gear bought by the badges to be status item, therefore not easily aquired. You should have to play for a week to be able to afford one piece of armor or a weapon. It works similarly to the equipment bought by karma, some of those cost over 20 000 karma. This is not something you aquire very quickly in early game. I think it is good that you cannot get the best rewards immediately, that would be too easy.

[Samhayn]

Mutou, on 01 May 2012 - 01:20 AM, said:

There are these silver medal drops, I forget the names, but they can be saved up from killing people and then spent at NPC's for some really nice yellow gear. I think it starts at 40, 60, and 80 gear. So there is reward if you're collecting those medals. In a few hours I had amassed 30 medals.

This is great when they find a better way to distribute the medals, looting during battles is to chaotic and the bag go to the person who pulls off the stomp not the people who all did the fighting.

[indure]

Reikou, on 01 May 2012 - 10:28 AM, said:

My suggestions as to how to fix this:
1. Significantly increase rewards for player kills. Gold and Exp are alright, but insignificant at end-game. More Importantly, I’d like to see Karma, Glory, or even a 100% chance to drop medals. Basically some reason for me to go out solo and gank others.
2. Make the rewards from WvW something more material. Every hour, each player on the world gains X Karma, Y Glory and Z Medals. Or something. Some reason why a PvPer would want to “win” in WvW. Not PvE just marginal pve rewards.

The problem with #1 is that you would just encourage kill swapping, instead of fort swapping. The problem with #2 is that most people don't care about +karma, gold, medals gains either. Also both karma and glory are currencies that need to be earned legitemately, if you earned them with realm benefits then I could just logged in, AFK, and get free currency all day long.

[weizen]

You can buy yellow gear when your lvl 30 and up with karma, and you can get karma real quick (in wvw and pve) so that should be enough.

the Token gear is Prestige Skins and there where people who got 100+ badges in 2 days. just because you couldn't get the prestige stuff in 2 days does not mean that the system is broken. the repel attackers gave plenty of Karma. and my guild NEVER had any problems with gold to repair (i always had enough gold to repair and buy good stuff in the action house).

maybe you get into problems when you just die a lot, but then play better.

[Samhayn]

weizen, on 11 May 2012 - 11:24 AM, said:

You can buy yellow gear when your lvl 30 and up with karma, and you can get karma real quick (in wvw and pve) so that should be enough.

the Token gear is Prestige Skins and there where people who got 100+ badges in 2 days. just because you couldn't get the prestige stuff in 2 days does not mean that the system is broken. the repel attackers gave plenty of Karma. and my guild NEVER had any problems with gold to repair (i always had enough gold to repair and buy good stuff in the action house).

maybe you get into problems when you just die a lot, but then play better.

My problem with the system for badges had more to do with having loot them then anything else. Its maybe my issue but stoppIng my forward push so I can loot items is not what I would call a good idea. Also when I started to take the time to loot corpses there seems to be alot of rng involved. I got 3 badges in two days of WvW, most of my stopping to loot took place in a 2hr (first 5 hours or so i did t loot because we where moving from place to place so fast i didnt have time)span on Saturday and a 7 hour run on Sunday. If your going to give out badges make it something I just get when the flag hits not something in a bag.

[Moorecore]

They originally stated that you would level the same in WvW as PvE. This is not the case. You level way faster in PvE and acquire gear way faster. Not only that but in PvE you can also do little tasks for extra skill points. The player kills as has been said gives very little. The only reason to level in WvW besides PvE is to accumulate the Badges of Honor from player kills, but i like many others will be forced to grind in PvE when what we want to do is PvP.

[Bunzaga]

Moorecore, on 12 May 2012 - 12:14 PM, said:

They originally stated that you would level the same in WvW as PvE. This is not the case. You level way faster in PvE and acquire gear way faster. Not only that but in PvE you can also do little tasks for extra skill points. The player kills as has been said gives very little. The only reason to level in WvW besides PvE is to accumulate the Badges of Honor from player kills, but i like many others will be forced to grind in PvE when what we want to do is PvP.

I couldn't agree more, with everything you said.  I wonder... if you get more badges per drop, the higher level you are?  This might make sense why after a full weekend of nothing but WvW, I still could not buy jack with my badges.

Edited by Bunzaga, 12 May 2012 - 12:33 PM.

[Moorecore]

Yeah, i mean i get the badges it takes awhile to get the awesome PvP stuff and it gives you something to work towards. What really gets me is that I would level perhaps twice as fast in PvE and acquire better gear easier not to mention the added skill points. I was hoping it was going to be more even as they said before.

Hm, maybe they could fix both our gripes by making new items for badges of honor that are not as good but for less badges.That would be a start.

Edited by Moorecore, 12 May 2012 - 12:42 PM.

[Bunzaga]

Yeah, I was stubborn and went to WvW when i was level 2, and stayed there until around level 15 or 16.  Especially at first, it was a total bust.  My guild members who left to go level out in PvE were at least twice my level when they returned, and only after I was around level 10, did it become a bit more bearable.

Loot drops in WvW, sure, but it's all stuff you don't want or can't use!

I like your idea of lower level WvW gear, which only cost 10 or so badges, that would be a start.  They could follow up with increasing how much EXP you get per kill / per NPC in WvW.  Finally, they could adjust the loot you get, based on your Profession, so you don't get a bag full of light/medium armor when you are a Warrior.

But I don't think they will

[Uder]

Pestkont, on 01 May 2012 - 02:57 PM, said:

The rewards are very good if you know what you're doing. Instead of doing massive zergs you should go and take important points where there are less people, or even none. Collect and defend the supply caravan, repel enemy attackers from your fort. These all give a  massive amount of experience, karma and cash (wich can easily pay for the repairs). I If you played this well you gain like one level every hour/hour and half mate. You was just doing the wrong things. I know uberzergs are cool to participate in, but they're are not always profitable.
Check out this stream (well not the first 4 hours orso). It's from Dougal, and it's posted in the "Siege of Greenbriar" thread.
This clearly shows how you can gain some sweet amount of rewards by doing WvWvW like it's intended

http://www.twitch.tv...ras/b/316480379

Grtz Pestkont

no1 answer, i managed to level very fast and make enough money to buy stuff with a small group taking, defending and attacking various points.

[Sheepski]

I don't understand everyone's fixation on gold and karma. They can be farmed easier, faster and with less hassle in pve, so why would I do wvw for that? Experience is irrelevant, easy to gain in pve, will be max level rather quickly. As for the world bonuses, they're nice but they don't really affect much on a day to day basis, well not enough for me to spend a lot of time trying to earn them in wvw, personally.

The badges are fine, the sort of system I'd expect, but there's no direct reward system. I'm not saying i want anything handed to me on a plate, but I would like to know that if I spend x amount of time in wvw helping out to the best of my ability that I will be rewarded for that. Even in spvp, however badly a player is, they will still get given the relative amount of glory/rank for what they contributed.

If badges are handed out at the end of each match, and you get a handful every 2 weeks, then that's ok... at least everyone knows they'll get something for it. But during the BWE's, the matches have been shortened to 1 day (?) and so that system should have been shortened as well.. yet no rewards were given out. The amount of badges should also be based on your contribution to the team score, rather than pure kills or whatever, as there are many ways people can help out.

I can understand that in an organised group, wvw would be fun, but so are pve events and/or dungeons and yet they guarantee you a certain amount of dungeon tokens/karma etc to save up for the particular equipment you want from it. So that's how I would have liked to see the badges rewarded.

Anyway, I guess as much fun wvw might be in a group, I'll stick to dungeon runs and DE's in the outside world.

[Goldenrice]

WvW rewards are awesome.


in PvEland, mobs drop gear up to 3 levels under you.

In WvW, mobs drop gear for your level.  That sword is a lvl 60 gold.  Also, blue/green karma gear is amazing form wvw.

Edited by Goldenrice, 10 June 2012 - 05:13 AM.

[Abaregi]

travisr, on 10 May 2012 - 03:06 AM, said:

If you live in WvW you should not have to go out of WvW to  grind your gear.  Badges should be auto looted and random rolled to allies in x units from  dead player. PvE players can PVE for gear why shouldn't WvWer's be able to WvW for gear? Current badge system gives too few badges for badge bought gear from WvW venders. People will say screw grinding badges at this rate  I am going to go to the PvE zone and grind for x hours.  .

Yeah this is what i see as a problem, Anet is saying we can level up in WvW, but compairing it to PvE makes it seem like a obvious stupid choice. The benefits should be equal: grinding mindles mobs or fighting intelligent humans for 1/4 of the reward??

Edited by Abaregi, 10 June 2012 - 05:15 PM.

[jamangi]

They introduced alot more events this beta i wouldnt be suprised if that trend continues which would make it very similar to pve zones for levelling. They also upped rewards of xp.

[Istaf]

Ummm, you get karma points for doing objectives, which you can use to buy invader gear. The guy selling it unlocks new gear for you every 5 levels or so, and its actually quite nice. I have my Char with full Invader gear at the moment, and 90% of the points I've used to buy it was from WvWvW. Cost around 5k+ for a full set, including the 2 weapon sets. You also get money etc from doing objectives to repair/buy siege weapons.









EDIT: It also only took me a few hrs to get a FULL set of gear.

Edited by Istaf, 11 June 2012 - 04:07 AM.

[Selo]

A big reward after the 2 weeks if you win
Glory for player kills in WvW
Ranks in WvW, maybe unlockable PvP traits you can buy with point gained with ranks, faster reloadspeed on sieges etc

You need a goal in WvW, in DaoC people PvPd for the RR, the realmabilities and the +1 in each stat per rank.
Were not playing a FPS, were playing a MMO

[Yphex]

Fatalis, on 10 May 2012 - 01:29 AM, said:

The thrill of victory.

Seriously, when you play WvWvW in an organized manner, it's an entirely different ball game.



This one battle completely changed how I viewed WvWvW, and taking a part in it was without a doubt the highlight of my BWE.

QFT. Run WvWvW with an organized group. The rush can be really amazing especially if you clash with another organized group or fall into their back while they are trying to take a keep.

I had the pleasure to run both BWEs with the guild Origin Online on the french server Augury Rock and it was a lot of fun. I will def join a guild that focuses on WvWvW after release since it is really is an amazing rush.

@ topic. There are karma vendors and badge of honor vendors in the starting keep of the eternal battlegrounds where you can get some level approriate gear.

The only thing I would like to see is some jewelry and gems for your armor.

Edited by Yphex, 11 June 2012 - 06:30 PM.

[Valius]

I totally agree with the first post.

I have a good idea of what to do and I am always out there fighting battles and such with the large groups, but whenever im there it seems like we NEVER make progress. It seems like it's always a stalemate and so I'm there for hours, getting literally no experience whatsoever.

[Yphex]

Chromatic, on 11 June 2012 - 06:41 PM, said:

I totally agree with the first post.

I have a good idea of what to do and I am always out there fighting battles and such with the large groups, but whenever im there it seems like we NEVER make progress. It seems like it's always a stalemate and so I'm there for hours, getting literally no experience whatsoever.

Well the problem atm is that zerg against zerg gives no XP and karma. Taking keeps and defending them on the other hand does give points.

It will take some time until everyone understands that you have to run with an organized group and take the least defended keeps as fast as possible. Leveling goes really fast this way and I always had more then enough Karma to buy a new set of armor and weapons every 5 levels.

[flea1]

Yphex, on 11 June 2012 - 06:51 PM, said:

Well the problem atm is that zerg against zerg gives no XP and karma. Taking keeps and defending them on the other hand does give points.

It will take some time until everyone understands that you have to run with an organized group and take the least defended keeps as fast as possible. Leveling goes really fast this way and I always had more then enough Karma to buy a new set of armor and weapons every 5 levels.

and going for the quick score cheapening the fight and fun. See this is not what i want in rvr. Elite little squads running into undefended keeps and racking up scores. This happened in WAR its called keep swapping and it made the rvr there crap. I like the big slug outs over keeps. The point is people want to be rewarded the same for the big fights as you little non defended keep takers get.

Maybe arena net wants it to be small man keep trade but it will kill there game. DAOC and WAR the most fun people had in Bgs and the like was the big fun fights and final takeing or defeat of it. If their is no reward for doing these then the games gonna fall flat. Both other rvr games had small squad fights. They are fun too. But why should the little 5 man be rewarded more than the large battle groups?

[Yphex]

flea1, on 11 June 2012 - 11:47 PM, said:

and going for the quick score cheapening the fight and fun. See this is not what i want in rvr. Elite little squads running into undefended keeps and racking up scores. This happened in WAR its called keep swapping and it made the rvr there crap. I like the big slug outs over keeps. The point is people want to be rewarded the same for the big fights as you little non defended keep takers get.

Maybe arena net wants it to be small man keep trade but it will kill there game. DAOC and WAR the most fun people had in Bgs and the like was the big fun fights and final takeing or defeat of it. If their is no reward for doing these then the games gonna fall flat. Both other rvr games had small squad fights. They are fun too. But why should the little 5 man be rewarded more than the large battle groups?

Well I made another topic about this where I said you even need to get points when you are attacking. Atm as it stands it's totally undesirable to attack a keep that is defended because it will take a while and only give points to the attackers if they succeed.

Imo even the attempt to take a keep should be rewarded with points just like defending it should be. I explained in my thread that the current system discourages PvP encounters and sooner or later teams will try to avoid each other in order to maximize their points, well at least until everyone reached max level and has the best gear available.

Unfortunately I started the Topic in the structured PvP forum and no mod has responded yet to me asking to move it here but here is the link.

http://www.guildwars...points-as-well/

[Selo]

flea1, on 11 June 2012 - 11:47 PM, said:

and going for the quick score cheapening the fight and fun. See this is not what i want in rvr. Elite little squads running into undefended keeps and racking up scores. This happened in WAR its called keep swapping and it made the rvr there crap. I like the big slug outs over keeps. The point is people want to be rewarded the same for the big fights as you little non defended keep takers get.

Maybe arena net wants it to be small man keep trade but it will kill there game. DAOC and WAR the most fun people had in Bgs and the like was the big fun fights and final takeing or defeat of it. If their is no reward for doing these then the games gonna fall flat. Both other rvr games had small squad fights. They are fun too. But why should the little 5 man be rewarded more than the large battle groups?

Exactly, that is what happens if you make the areas to big, it takes to long to get to the fight so you rather start taking keeps near you. People are avoiding eachother rather then fighting, the same thing happened in DaoC when they added new frontiers, the areas became to big and people just keep swapped instead.

In the old frontiers you had much mroe narrow paths, and if you wanted to get to the furhest keeps you had to fight your way through the enemy force.

Also its way to easy taking Orbs, in DaoC the relics ment more and it took a much bigger effort taking them, making the keep weaker by taking down the others, this also made it so the third realm showed up to stop them.