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[Arkham Creed]

Part 2  
Here it is with a bit of harmless criticism. Go easy on the guy; he’s still indoctrinated by old school questing. He liked the PvP though.

Edited by Arkham Creed, 01 May 2012 - 10:57 PM.

[Grit]

Be warned, he's not very good at the game and a lot of his assumptions and criticisms are a little unfounded. It will take some time for him to come around after playing WoW for so long.

If you like Jesse, it's worth watching. If you like GW2 and don't know who Jesse is.. you'll probably hate it.

Edited by Grit, 30 April 2012 - 10:28 PM.

[Arkham Creed]

His trademark is that he is universally terrible at games and takes forever to learn them. I figure he has some harsh words now, but by the end of the next beta he will be a changed man.


One of us….one of us….one of us…..

[Mutou]

I have fun listening to Jesse, but to be honest all of my friends coming from WoW sounded exactly like him. Except I was there to inform them when they had some serious questions. After they got through the confusion they were looking at GW2 through the same rose colored glasses as I was.

Edited by Naut, 30 April 2012 - 11:12 PM.
no need for green text thanks

[Selona]

I love Jesse and his videos. He have a charming personality.
However. As you guys  can see in the video, he indeed is rather terrible. I dident see him use the dodge  ability once. On the opening boss he stood in all the red circles and was like: "wth just happend"

If you guys have watched/listen to the Gamestation Podcast with him/dodger/Totalbiscuit,
you would know that he already then been sceptical about the game.
Each is own of course:)
But I do personally think that he is giving the games Dynamic Event system a hard time. "this is jsut like rift and wow." bla bla.
Its WAY more dynamic the Rift. Thats just a fact. But again. Thats another discussion.

Grit, on 30 April 2012 - 10:27 PM, said:

Be warned, he's not very good at the game and a lot of his assumptions and criticisms are a little unfounded. It will take some time for him to come around after playing WoW for so long.

If you like Jesse, it's worth watching. If you like GW2 and don't know who Jesse is.. you'll probably hate it.

Totally agree with that also:)

Edited by Selona, 30 April 2012 - 11:12 PM.

[Tenicord]

It is interesting to see people play who have no idea about the game because this is how the majority will think/behave.. and A.Net should take note... for example he skipped the first part of his story.. he didn't even do the great hunt he just killed the boss and then was like "wtf there was no story." I think they should have to do the great hunt first as it is mentioned later in the story also..

[Primal Zed]

"Is that Jennifer Hale's voice again?  It is!  This woman is in every game!

I need a drink."

"What the-?  They're like Nightcrawler!  THEY'RE LIKE NIGHTCRAWLER! Awww, I got X-Manned."

It's stuff like that is why I actually enjoy Jesse's commentary.  Even if I have to yell at the screen when he misses obvious stuff.  It's a good thing he was a ranger, because he apparently did not get that trying to avoid getting hit is not just for PvP anymore.

Edited by Primal Zed, 30 April 2012 - 11:59 PM.

[Arkham Creed]

Primal Zed, on 30 April 2012 - 11:58 PM, said:

"What the-?  They're like Nightcrawler!  THEY'RE LIKE NIGHTCRAWLER! Awww, I got X-Manned."

When he said that line my first thought was “now I must fight this guy in PvP with my thief.” Hilarious.

[Frizz]

He seemed to had alot of fun? I was waiting for serious criticism, but there wasn't any. He thought, from what he could tell it was just like quests but hidden very very well with random quests in between. To be honest it kind of is. (the heart tasks in any case in that area) the random events in that area aren't that advanced earlier on either and someone "trained" to ignore the world after a task will not see the details.

I think though, that the heart tasks need to be toned down in importance, as I found them distracting and just filler material seeing them as a reward as such. But that is speaking early game. and early game doesn't show too much innovation.

[Kalx]

I like jesse, but he's not the type of guy you go for decent "first impressions". he's really bad at games. really, really bad.
if you watch his skyrim playthrough, it's already more than 50 parts long and he didn't figure how a lot of stuff works in the game

[Mutou]

Here's Jesse's second video. I think the more he played the more he liked it. I also think he wasn't quite doing the renown hearts and dynamic events right because I had a blast with those. Other than that he really liked the game and would recommend it.

[Arca]

Part 2:

He's a bit disappointed in the PvE content, but absolutely loves the personal story and PvP.

NINJA'S! NINJA'S EVERYWHERE!

Edited by Mitjan11, 01 May 2012 - 07:59 PM.

[K0tY]

He is bad at games and he is really dumb, seriously, he is fun to watch, just because you threw a monkey inside a bar. He isnt really the clever one, or the one you should listen to, but still manage to throw some random fun arround by derping arround, still, i would rather miss his opinion on GW2...

[Feriluce]

Someone is throwing around the argument "Lol the skill system isn't very fun because you only have 5 skills at a time". That is such bullshit. I mean in a game like wow you may have 3442325623543522343 skills on your 514 bars. But you really only ever use 5-7 of them in regular combat. That is less than gw2.

[Lightning]

I'm a big fan of Jesse Cox, but I don't think he and I are going to see eye-to-eye on the subject of PvE. Nice to see his PvP opinions though

Feriluce, on 01 May 2012 - 08:56 PM, said:

Someone is throwing around the argument "Lol the skill system isn't very fun because you only have 5 skills at a time". That is such bullshit. I mean in a game like wow you may have 3442325623543522343 skills on your 514 bars. But you really only ever use 5-7 of them in regular combat. That is less than gw2.

I am always amused by the "only 5 abilities!?" crowd for precisely this reason. In WoW I have 30 abilities that I never use! Isn't it great? When I need them, I forgot I had them because they're so situational.

Quite.

Edited by Lightning, 01 May 2012 - 09:14 PM.

[Primal Zed]

I really couldn't understand Thomas's points about why he didn't like the dynamic events.  The only thing I really picked up on was that he kept seeing the same events.  I agree with him there, but apparently adding more events continuously after the game's launch is something they plan to do so I really hope that situation improves.  Otherwise, I couldn't get a sense of what he was trying to say.

[Stargate]

K0tY, on 01 May 2012 - 08:16 PM, said:

He is bad at games
i would rather miss his opinion on GW2...

Nobody needs to be pro the first day in BETA. I respect him since he has experience from other MMORPG:s. I did see the whole video and I agree with him. Personal story(videos) was ok/good, but PvE does not impress me and nothing gamebreaking. That said it was the starter areas.  Personally I hope/believe EPIC Events later will be better and of course Dungeons.

I am not that critcal the videos from PvP the Mist that I have seen are good. Based on that video PvP The Mist will absolutely be my main thing though personal story might be interesting. I missed first Beta weekend, but will try to join the next.

Edited by Stargate, 01 May 2012 - 11:27 PM.

[Grit]

Normally I'm okay with Jesse's derpy gameplay, but I wasn't able to watch either of this videos in their entirety. Mostly because I had just played GW2 for 40 hours straight, but also because I don't value Jesse (or Thomas') opinion when it comes to games. Jesse in particular fails at offering an objective point-of-view. He let himself be swayed by "the hype" more than anyone else, and came into GW2 thinking it was supposed to be a new genre entirely.

New flash. It's an MMO. It plays and feels like an MMO. But many of the core mechanics have been reinvented and re-iterated in spectacular ways. Jesse reads the youtube comments and doesn't like that people are saying he has a bias opinion, when he clearly does. Not because he wasn't impressed with the PvE.. but simply because of the stupid assumptions and comparisons that he consistently makes.

It really struck me when Thomas complained that "You have to go explore to catch up"... I couldn't understand that. You're supposed to explore in an MMO. Simply by participating in every event that I ran across and mixing personal story in there from time to time, I always had new content within my level range.

Edited by Grit, 01 May 2012 - 11:40 PM.

[Desild]

As much as I enjoy watching Jesse ramble about (with the same amount of glee I get from watching TB being cynical), there are somethings in this world we can't force people to enjoy. And in this case, that thing is Guild Wars 2.

Jesse is a Wow player at heart, and he will always be biased on that regard while he remains true to Wow and consequently Blizzard. I'm the same way with ArenaNet and Guild Wars.

Doesn't matter what he says. He could have played every MMO ever made but it still wouldn't change the fact that he enjoys Wow and is hopefull regarding Mists of Pandaria. Myself on the other hand, have lost all hope that Wow can climb out of the hole it dug during Cataclysm. But still, I'm glad he is still able to find enjoyment in Wow. I almost envy him... I used to like that game.

But in the end, it is all moot whatever we say.

Everysingle person that played the Beta owns their copy of the game. It is game over for them, they just can't see it because they are limited to a narrow sighted preconception that all games MMO have subscription models.

He and many others that played the game and didn't like it can complain all they want. It is all for naught you see, ArenaNet has their money now and nothing they can do will change that. They can be fools and decide not to play this glorious game; that's their call!

But the truth remains that they have bought the game and nothing will ever change that fact. It's theirs forever. If they leave it to gather dust on a shelf, the more server banwidth for me, which was partially payed by them. Irony!

I'm surprised how not that many people see this fallacy of thought.

Edited by Desild, 01 May 2012 - 11:53 PM.

[Naconix]

From watching part 1: DODGE. DO YOU DO IT?

Now onto part 2

But I will say they need to teach new players a lot better than they currently do

Edited by Naconix, 01 May 2012 - 11:55 PM.

[Senatic]

Didn't watch it yet. Will watch tomorrow. Will just say I wouldn't take any thing Jesse Cox say seriously. He's fun to listen to if you can stand him and his type of humor, but as far as intelligent and insightful opinions go I'd sooner ask my dog then take anything Jesse says seriously, I'd probably get a more intelligent answer. He's the kinda guy you listen to for the humor, not because he actually has something of value to say.

[Cracken]

"They said it was all random (the questing system)", really? They never said that. Anyway, I guess I can only say: Cool story, bro. I couldn't care less about this guy's opinions.

[Macarthy]

I have to be honest he does make some valid complaints about the games pve. Even TB said it can sometimes feel like you are showing up late to everything. It also has to  do with what kind gamer you area, If you like being able to control exactly what you are doing then your going to like the personal story more.

Edited by Macarthy, 02 May 2012 - 02:08 AM.

[Selona]

In this second episode. In the start where he ask his friend Tomas whet he thinks (I think that was his name). You could clearly tell that they both kinda want a more directed linear quest experience.
"its kinda enjoying that you have to go and explore to find stuff to do. And you only have five skills...", or something like that he said.

Well yes thats the charm and fun about it:)

I understand and completely respect others opinions but when he said he was disappointed for those reasons. I couldn't help think
"Well what did you expect of the game really? Arenanet have never really lied about how it is built/structured.
I feel that a lot of disappointed people are the ones misinformed or uninformed (have a friend of my own thats like that)

Sorry for the rant

Then again. Each is own

[Dark Saviour]

Eh... I can actually understand how they can feel underwhelmed with the dynamic events. The whole "discover events as you explore" idea sounds great, but from everything I've seen, in many cases, it lends itself to an experience very much akin to (if not worse than) the whole "Kill 1Ø rats" thing everyone seems to hate. A lot of this has to do with a combination of events consisting of fairly mundane or repetitive tasks and the fact that you can jump into an event (or even a chain) in the middle of it, and not get hit with much story/history as motivation. If you see a chain through from start-to-finish, it's not too bad, but if you keep jumping into individual events in the middle, I can see where it'd feel rather dull and non-engaging. That said, it is about what I was expecting, so I'm not going to nail the game too hard on that front myself, but if you didn't follow it too much, and just went off of the hype and buzz, I can see how this would deflate someone's opinion.

Likewise, I can see how some people might not be in love with the limited number of weapon skills. Is the current system effective? Sure. Is it fun? People are going to have different opinions on this. Some people might prefer a hundred skills to screw around with, even if most of them are, at best, highly situational or marginally effective, and that's all fine. Personally, I prefer something more akin to what PSO did. Different strokes and all that jazz.

Edited by Dark Saviour, 02 May 2012 - 09:38 AM.

[Senatic]

Well I watched it and yea, he has no idea what he's doing half the time. Jesse can't play terraria, how the hell would he be able to get a hold of something like GW2. What's funny though is Jesse wasn't the annoying one this time, it was his friends. I could not stand listening to them, it made me cringe everytime one of them opened their mouths lol

Also the second video was hilarious "I picked the first person I encountered to give me some more insight".

I think what he meant to say is "I picked one of my extremely biased friends who had been complaining about inconsequential stuff for the entirety of the past video."

Well they really didn't have many valid objective points, there was some subjective stuff in there that I can understand but overall it's about the intelligence level I expect from Jesse Cox.

Edited by Senatic, 02 May 2012 - 11:09 AM.

[Frizz]

Macarthy, on 02 May 2012 - 02:06 AM, said:

I have to be honest he does make some valid complaints about the games pve. Even TB said it can sometimes feel like you are showing up late to everything. It also has to  do with what kind gamer you area, If you like being able to control exactly what you are doing then your going to like the personal story more.

Yeah I think the same. I thought he had some very valid points about events not being engaging enough, and less compelling  than the wall of text, that, sure, not everyone always read, but it was there. Now you have a few lines of quest text, if you ever talk to the NPC at all. As most events are already in the middle of it. While it's a great experience if you see an event from start through finish, I think they (Anet) needs to work on the immediacy of the events, the threat level or something in that regards. I only found one event where centaurs attacked an outpost that felt like "holy crap! They are actually taking this seriously this time."As the rest of the events were pretty much Oh hey wave 1 2 3 4 5, you guys pose no threat at all. I think they could've made the game more epic in some of those aspects. It was ten times more fun when an event was failed than it was won. Unless it took a whole lot of effort and teamplay.

And the starting areas of course go a bit easy on you, but in some places I hoped for a bit more. I don't want that I need to play through content that is just not as challenging or engaging as it could've been.

Same with the Ascalon city area, I read the book, I played the event. And I found the book alot scarier or tense somehow. Ghosts standing around isn't that interesting, even the 3 events that popped up didn't seem to be that compelling. It felt like the threat was already dealt with and occasionally it came back up, but it wasn't anything spectacular. Then again perhaps it needed a fail before things would really go out of hand, but really noone is going to sit around because of that.

Still ten times better than normal questing though. But storywise or engagement wise it needs some more oomph.

Edited by Frizz, 02 May 2012 - 11:49 AM.

[Lwyn]

I was really surprised that Jesse let himself into the hype as much as he did while going on about how hype is bad.
If hype is bad, the conclusion should be not to listen to any and make up your own opinions.
PS: Who the hell has been telling them about random events. Hunt that liar down.

[ogrejd]

Frizz, on 02 May 2012 - 11:48 AM, said:

I only found one event where centaurs attacked an outpost that felt like "holy crap! They are actually taking this seriously this time."As the rest of the events were pretty much Oh hey wave 1 2 3 4 5, you guys pose no threat at all. I think they could've made the game more epic in some of those aspects. It was ten times more fun when an event was failed than it was won. Unless it took a whole lot of effort and teamplay.

Eh. Not really. Especially not when the event fails and everything resets itself in the 2 minutes it takes you to get back there from the nearest waypoint... (the Svanir attack on the Bear shrine being a notable example - dead on the ground, get the event failed message, lots of Svanir wandering around your corpse, no live players anywhere you can see when zoomed out, yet everything's back to normal in the time it takes to run back from the Grawlford or Hero's Moot waypoints. Less than 2 minutes in both cases.)

[Senatic]

ogrejd, on 02 May 2012 - 12:22 PM, said:

Eh. Not really. Especially not when the event fails and everything resets itself in the 2 minutes it takes you to get back there from the nearest waypoint... (the Svanir attack on the Bear shrine being a notable example - dead on the ground, get the event failed message, lots of Svanir wandering around your corpse, no live players anywhere you can see when zoomed out, yet everything's back to normal in the time it takes to run back from the Grawlford or Hero's Moot waypoints. Less than 2 minutes in both cases.)

Yea this is one of the more valid and objective complains I've seen. It would be nice to see a bigger impact and recovery time. Maybe if for example the centaurs destroys some stuff in the outpost, things are set on fire. And then after the waves are finished there's an event where you need to put out the fires and help reapair the damage. That way it doesn't feel like it just shifts between states instantly.

The pacing of some events need to be looked at as well, it's very jarring to see the same event you were just in 5 minutes ago go off again.

Edited by Senatic, 02 May 2012 - 12:27 PM.