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#1 Milk

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 12:46 AM

I notice that you can buy extra storage space, but as in GW1, I've managed my storage and bags so that I seem to have enough space available.

Do you think that standard storage in GW2 will be large enough to be "enough" for the length of the game? (I mean years into the future)...or is Anet setting up the cash shop storage upgrade system so that basic storage is too chronically cramped and you will be forced to purchase it (a problem I've noticed with some free to play games)?

Just a thought for those that were in the beta and got to see how storage looked as a whole.
I know it's hard to project out into the future but what do you expect?

#2 duverga

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 05:46 AM

The storage is extremely limited. The vault has what, 24 slots? And it's account wide so there's no per-character storage whatsoever. If you create five characters they get a whole 5 slots of storage each? That's not even enough space to store a full set of weapons for each character. Ridiculous.

If I dare make a comparison to WoW, the entire account gets less storage than the default bank space every WoW character starts with.

#3 Jaehan

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 05:48 AM

Crafting forced me to use up all the slots in my storage, but that was the only reason why. If I didn't craft, I wouldn't have even needed my storage at all.

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 05:48 AM

i will no doubt be getting extra storage from the cash shop.  but i will also no doubt just take the extra time to earn enough money to buy enough gems to get it and not pay for it with real money.  so yeah, current storage isn't enough, but it shouldn't be that big of a deal.  (unless actual gem:gold conversion rates are unrealistically high.)

#5 Icy Indica

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 05:55 AM

Well from what I heard bags that can be crafted are up to 20 slots so each char you have will have a huge personal storage. (Even with say 12 or 16 slot bags if 20 are super expensive)

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 09:32 AM

View Postduverga, on 01 May 2012 - 05:46 AM, said:

The storage is extremely limited. The vault has what, 24 slots? And it's account wide so there's no per-character storage whatsoever. If you create five characters they get a whole 5 slots of storage each? That's not even enough space to store a full set of weapons for each character. Ridiculous.

If I dare make a comparison to WoW, the entire account gets less storage than the default bank space every WoW character starts with.

You get 30 slots in the bank per tab. It may be sufficient depending on how much you collect assuming the crafting tabs are unfinished (see below).

View PostJaehan, on 01 May 2012 - 05:48 AM, said:

Crafting forced me to use up all the slots in my storage, but that was the only reason why. If I didn't craft, I wouldn't have even needed my storage at all.



IF they implement the rest of the crafting storage tabs it won't be so bad. I'm assuming this isn't done because only cooking had its tab with all the items in it and none of the others did, outside of generic items like crafted leather squares. I'm expecting we'll get stuff for small claws and whatnot used in the other crafting professions.

View PostIcy Indica, on 01 May 2012 - 05:55 AM, said:

Well from what I heard bags that can be crafted are up to 20 slots so each char you have will have a huge personal storage. (Even with say 12 or 16 slot bags if 20 are super expensive)

There were runes up to 20 slots for bag type items for sale at crafters, but they were not cheap. 10g or more iirc for 20 slot. Even a 12 slot cost around 10s or so.

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 09:42 AM

View PostImaginos, on 01 May 2012 - 09:32 AM, said:

IF they implement the rest of the crafting storage tabs it won't be so bad. I'm assuming this isn't done because only cooking had its tab with all the items in it and none of the others did, outside of generic items like crafted leather squares. I'm expecting we'll get stuff for small claws and whatnot used in the other crafting professions.

Cooking most certainly didn't get all items in it...  You can craft a lot of products that can be used again in new recipies with cooknig, I had most of my bags filled with those...  At least all items that drop can be put in there, that's true.

#8 Tamora

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 10:43 AM

View PostJaehan, on 01 May 2012 - 05:48 AM, said:

Crafting forced me to use up all the slots in my storage, but that was the only reason why. If I didn't craft, I wouldn't have even needed my storage at all.

it seems like crafting is a pain with the amount of storage space we get and with the amount of different drops and ingredients needed for crafting. i would appreciate a huge crafting bag or bank tab, like gw1 had.

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 10:57 AM

View PostLady Rhonwyn, on 01 May 2012 - 09:42 AM, said:

Cooking most certainly didn't get all items in it...  You can craft a lot of products that can be used again in new recipies with cooknig, I had most of my bags filled with those...  At least all items that drop can be put in there, that's true.
I noticed a few items clearly marked as cooking materials didn't have a place in the materials tab, so I'm going to assume that it's a work in progress, since several other items of the same "tier" seemed to have spots in the tab.

#10 Tamora

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 12:10 PM

i just saw that there are slots for crafting mats in the bank account:

that will help a lot, i guess. :)

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 12:14 PM

I found storage extremely limited, hooowever i didn't know about the storage slots for mats (i should have looked harder rofl)...that should substantially take the load off.  I'll still need max storage however, it's just how I am :/

#12 Geikamir

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 12:21 PM

I feel, like I was worried I would, that storage space is purposely cramped as incentive to spend more money in the cash shop.

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 12:28 PM

everybody can have a 100 invenotry slot per character + 24 (or 30??) slots on the account bank. You also get a material storage on the collectible tab. This should give enough storage space without anyone buying extra slot.

#14 Imaginos

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 12:59 PM

View Postchanw4, on 01 May 2012 - 12:28 PM, said:

everybody can have a 100 invenotry slot per character + 24 (or 30??) slots on the account bank. You also get a material storage on the collectible tab. This should give enough storage space without anyone buying extra slot.

To put this in perspective those bags will need to be crafted and a 20 slot rune cost over 10 gold per rune with 1 rune per bag (at a guess on how other bags were made). You won't be earning 10g for a very long time in GW2, let alone 50g per character for 20 slot bags, not counting gathering whatever materials said bag must be made out of.

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 06:05 PM

View PostImaginos, on 01 May 2012 - 12:59 PM, said:

To put this in perspective those bags will need to be crafted and a 20 slot rune cost over 10 gold per rune with 1 rune per bag (at a guess on how other bags were made). You won't be earning 10g for a very long time in GW2, let alone 50g per character for 20 slot bags, not counting gathering whatever materials said bag must be made out of.
The thing is, you can still get them entirely via playing the game, no cash shop needed. The cash shop offers a convenience, plain and simple; you don't need it.

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 06:24 PM

For those saying ANET should add the ability to have more things in the crafting storage pane of your bank, that's not going to work the way they have it set up now.  Claws, venom sacks, vials of blood....those sort of things were SOULBOUND to your character on pickup, thus will not stack from one char to another if you try to add them to the general storage area of your bank.  I'm not sure if you hover over them it even tells you WHO they're soulbound too....although I hope so.  Put something in your bank general storage that is soulbound and you'll be guessing for who cycling through your chars otherwise.

Anyway, a large amount of crafting materials appear soulbound on pickup, which means pretty much you're going to use a LOT of space on your character or have to stop and craft fairly often for discovery and either use / sell what you craft.

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 06:41 PM

Ye storage is kind of limited, you get few bigger bags as you progress from events and can buy the basic ones at the very beginning without problem, they cost nothing. I though it would be a lot worst honestly, i think you can still play and not be too much bothered if you use the in game ones only. You will still need to have storage management to do, and it will probably be a pain for gatherer and crafter. Also you can access sell/buy UI from anywhere, you don't need an npc, but i'm not sure if its an auction house or if you can sell also your crap to npc via it, i should have tried this, i regret i didn't now. Also money didn't seam to be a problem at all, so i never felt like i should take every single loot, in fact you could discard most, i seamed to have plenty of money after few levels, so you probably can take only what seam interesting to you.

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 07:17 PM

The storage is extremely limited, I was close to 20 and my bank was filled 2.5/4 of rare crafting materials that you can't store in the other tab.

#19 Tamora

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 07:31 PM

View PostKillua, on 01 May 2012 - 07:17 PM, said:

The storage is extremely limited, I was close to 20 and my bank was filled 2.5/4 of rare crafting materials that you can't store in the other tab.

ok, looks like the rare crafting materials should be reviewed by anet then. i just vendored all of the mats, since they were filling my inventory and i didn't plan on trying crafting in this bwe.

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 07:40 PM

View Postduverga, on 01 May 2012 - 05:46 AM, said:

If I dare make a comparison to WoW, the entire account gets less storage than the default bank space every WoW character starts with.

That's all jazz and all but in WoW, your monthly fee covers these expenses. GW2, is a B2P, they need to pay their employes, the bills, the servers and future content and the best part is that they give you the option if you want to buy something from them or not. A title like GW2(AAA game) would've get a monthly fee if it wans't for Anet's metality. Its not something that will upset the balance of the game, its not something you will need to win, that is enough for me, the rest is up to me to learn how to manage it.

Edited by Datenshi92, 01 May 2012 - 07:45 PM.


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Posted 01 May 2012 - 08:24 PM

View Postsumrtym, on 01 May 2012 - 06:24 PM, said:

For those saying ANET should add the ability to have more things in the crafting storage pane of your bank, that's not going to work the way they have it set up now.  Claws, venom sacks, vials of blood....those sort of things were SOULBOUND to your character on pickup, thus will not stack from one char to another if you try to add them to the general storage area of your bank.  I'm not sure if you hover over them it even tells you WHO they're soulbound too....although I hope so.  Put something in your bank general storage that is soulbound and you'll be guessing for who cycling through your chars otherwise.

Anyway, a large amount of crafting materials appear soulbound on pickup, which means pretty much you're going to use a LOT of space on your character or have to stop and craft fairly often for discovery and either use / sell what you craft.

I was swapping (blue colored) stacked claws, dust, poison sacks etc.. from various characters in my bank constantly to craft so I have no idea what you're talking about.

EDIT: Let me clarify. I would have 10 claws for example in the normal bank tabs as there was no tab for them yet for crafting. Of those 10 claws, 4 came from my necro, 5 came from my guardian and 1 came from my mesmer. All stacked into 1 stack. All were useable by any of my characters.

Edited by Imaginos, 01 May 2012 - 08:28 PM.


#22 Icy Spicy

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 08:29 PM

i dont like how only common crafting material can be deposited into the crafting tab (BTW, i didn't know about the crafting tab til day 2 cuz it was not at all obvious...), everything thats blue or higher does not have a place in that panel... and i get alot of random gems from mining, but no place to put them, and when u mine alot of stuff and end up with 10 different pieces of gems, it becomes an issue

also the skill point books or whatever they are called, is there a tab for that? if so i didnt see it when i played it

#23 duverga

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 01:33 AM

What's the cost for bank storage slots? Well, it's 600 gems to unlock a tab of 30 bank slots. I hear gems are 400 for $5, so that's $7.50 for a bank tab and $0.25 per slot.

The wiki says that tabs max out at seven, so the expansion cap would be 210 slots. Not bad. Which would cost $52.50.

They can of course charge whatever they think the market will bear, but they've certainly got a good margin there.

To throw in some highly inaccurate numbers... Storage for a slot is likely 64 bits, so call it 10 bytes to account for some storage overhead and make the napkin-math simple. That would mean GW2 bank storage costs roughly $105,000 per GB. :o

Numbers aside, I'll guarantee you this: All the bank storage you can unlock is a small fraction of the space they're using to remember how much of the map you've uncovered.

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 02:46 AM

View Postsumrtym, on 01 May 2012 - 06:24 PM, said:

For those saying ANET should add the ability to have more things in the crafting storage pane of your bank, that's not going to work the way they have it set up now.  Claws, venom sacks, vials of blood....those sort of things were SOULBOUND to your character on pickup, thus will not stack from one char to another if you try to add them to the general storage area of your bank.
No they weren't, they were on the trading post and I transferred them between characters via the bank.
I think you are thinking of the vendor trash items which were soulbound, probably so you don't mail them to people or try to sell them on the trading post.

View PostIcy Spicy, on 01 May 2012 - 08:29 PM, said:

also the skill point books or whatever they are called, is there a tab for that? if so i didnt see it when i played it
Ah yes I was wondering what the deal was with them.
Think they were listed in the tooltips as "Account Collectables", but seemed to serve no purpose other than to grant the skill point.
Couldn't even read them as a tale of my exploits.
Just thought, perhaps there is section for them in the new hall of monuments when it opens up?

Edited by Azimov, 02 May 2012 - 02:47 AM.


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Posted 02 May 2012 - 05:27 AM

View Postduverga, on 02 May 2012 - 01:33 AM, said:

To throw in some highly inaccurate numbers... Storage for a slot is likely 64 bits, so call it 10 bytes to account for some storage overhead and make the napkin-math simple. That would mean GW2 bank storage costs roughly $105,000 per GB. :o

More like a GB is cheap as chips and the rest is pure profit.

Which, in turn, allows ANet to run the game without a monthly fee.

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 07:01 AM

View Postduverga, on 02 May 2012 - 01:33 AM, said:

What's the cost for bank storage slots? Well, it's 600 gems to unlock a tab of 30 bank slots. I hear gems are 400 for $5, so that's $7.50 for a bank tab and $0.25 per slot.

The wiki says that tabs max out at seven, so the expansion cap would be 210 slots. Not bad. Which would cost $52.50.

They can of course charge whatever they think the market will bear, but they've certainly got a good margin there.

To throw in some highly inaccurate numbers... Storage for a slot is likely 64 bits, so call it 10 bytes to account for some storage overhead and make the napkin-math simple. That would mean GW2 bank storage costs roughly $105,000 per GB. :o

Numbers aside, I'll guarantee you this: All the bank storage you can unlock is a small fraction of the space they're using to remember how much of the map you've uncovered.

I could have sworn a bought storage tab only got you an additional 20 slots.  I like your math better :P  It's cheaper to buy a mule and someone else suggested starting your own solo guild for an additional storage tab.

Do I think Anet supplied enough right now?  No.  Yes I saw the common crafting/ingredients tabs but these craft into other components you may need to craft again or simply want to keep and it didn't include gems.  If Anet adds a "derived materials" tab along with gems tab I'd say it's fair.  I'd still have to (by choice) buy another few tabs for all the armour and weapons and dyes (or whatever else I'm hoarding) for all my alts so they'll still make a few bucks off me.

Edited by Helyanwe, 02 May 2012 - 07:02 AM.


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Posted 02 May 2012 - 07:05 AM

It may be limited taking into account that it's account wide, but since there are crafting tabs, it isn't that worse.
Anyway, those comparing it to WoW.. spend 14 $ every month till you have the space you need, this way you'll feel like in home.

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 07:22 AM

View PostMilk, on 01 May 2012 - 12:46 AM, said:

Do you think that standard storage in GW2 will be large enough to be "enough" for the length of the game? (I mean years into the future)...or is Anet setting up the cash shop storage upgrade system so that basic storage is too chronically cramped and you will be forced to purchase it (a problem I've noticed with some free to play games)?

No and No.

No, it won't be enough for the length of the game.
No, Anet won't force you to purchase extra.

Look at it this way.  You start playing, storage is more than enough and you're low on gold.  You keep playing, your storage is filling and so is your purse.  By the time you're in dire straights considering storage, you most likely have enough gold to buy some gems to buy some extra storage.  No money required and still extra storage...



View PostHelyanwe, on 02 May 2012 - 07:01 AM, said:

Do I think Anet supplied enough right now?  No.  Yes I saw the common crafting/ingredients tabs but these craft into other components you may need to craft again or simply want to keep and it didn't include gems.  If Anet adds a "derived materials" tab along with gems tab I'd say it's fair.  I'd still have to (by choice) buy another few tabs for all the armour and weapons and dyes (or whatever else I'm hoarding) for all my alts so they'll still make a few bucks off me.

All materials that could be used to craft and are dropped from foes getting its own tab?  I like that idea!   I did notice that some crafted materials did fit in the material tab (ingots, for example) but I don't think all crafted materials would need to go in there.  Take cooking for example.  There are plenty of recipes that would give a food item that could also be used for more cooking (meatballs, are food, but also used to make pasta with meatballs, which is another type of food)

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 07:31 AM

View PostLady Rhonwyn, on 02 May 2012 - 07:22 AM, said:

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All materials that could be used to craft and are dropped from foes getting its own tab?  I like that idea!   I did notice that some crafted materials did fit in the material tab (ingots, for example) but I don't think all crafted materials would need to go in there.  Take cooking for example.  There are plenty of recipes that would give a food item that could also be used for more cooking (meatballs, are food, but also used to make pasta with meatballs, which is another type of food)

I missed out on beta and only got to see a screen shot, there were 62 slots for common mats (not gems) and 102 slots for cooking ingredients, not sure if this had room for the meat and spagetti or just the meat.  I am hoping for both.

http://i.imgur.com/ClpBw.jpg

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 07:39 AM

I actually am ok with extra storage being purchasable. With good space management the current storage is enough, but they sell the convenience of having more space. I do however think upgrades like that should be account wide, and for that I wouldn't mind spending a bit extra.