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#31 EntropyTwo

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 07:26 PM

ts without sound, but played decently ) enjoy

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 10:13 PM

View PostSir Sparhawk, on 02 May 2012 - 04:32 PM, said:

Good vid man, good build. Its solid damage and survivability so I think its very viable. Im going to try for the 12k hp style offense just for fast kills but I might add more vit so I can use damage utilitys, I only gain like 1k more damage on crits anyways.

Thanks dude :)

I did swap out my amulet (is it an amulet? down with the accessories its an item that adds a lot of stats) for a power, precision and critical damage one for a few games, gave me just 10.5k HP. While the rest of my build wasnt changed to factor this in i did have great damage but it felt very very squishy if caught off guard. An ele in fire attunment (and a fire based spec) could pretty much eat through 90% of my HP in a couple of seconds so i went back to the other amulet that gave more HP. Also a very important thing to think of when you start getting closer to the 10k HP mark is the treb on kyhlo, unless you have a lot of toughness that thing deals a solid 9k+ damage.

Im trying to work on a 15k ish HP build for the next beta and spec into more precison, trait wise in this i used a build based around causing burning but i think il change that for the next beta as burning didnt seem to last long enough for me to really get the most out of it.
Also i noticed on the offical forums that they are looking into a longer range option for the guardian, if the scepter gets a slight buff on range/speed an attack guardian will be much more viable option but have to wait and see.

Anyway dont want to sidetrack this thread :) will have another video posted tomorrow most likely if not sometime over the weekend.

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 10:30 PM

View PostDominoKismet, on 02 May 2012 - 10:13 PM, said:

Thanks dude :)

I did swap out my amulet (is it an amulet? down with the accessories its an item that adds a lot of stats) for a power, precision and critical damage one for a few games, gave me just 10.5k HP. While the rest of my build wasnt changed to factor this in i did have great damage but it felt very very squishy if caught off guard. An ele in fire attunment (and a fire based spec) could pretty much eat through 90% of my HP in a couple of seconds so i went back to the other amulet that gave more HP. Also a very important thing to think of when you start getting closer to the 10k HP mark is the treb on kyhlo, unless you have a lot of toughness that thing deals a solid 9k+ damage.

Im trying to work on a 15k ish HP build for the next beta and spec into more precison, trait wise in this i used a build based around causing burning but i think il change that for the next beta as burning didnt seem to last long enough for me to really get the most out of it.
Also i noticed on the offical forums that they are looking into a longer range option for the guardian, if the scepter gets a slight buff on range/speed an attack guardian will be much more viable option but have to wait and see.

Anyway dont want to sidetrack this thread :) will have another video posted tomorrow most likely if not sometime over the weekend.

Yea Im gonna do the 10-12k hp trick atleast to try it out but Im going to use alot of utility skills that can help me not die in seconds. If it doesnt work Ill do what you are doing and stick with 15k hp thats more than enough health. Just gonna be hard to sacrifice 30% more crit damage :(

View PostAodan, on 02 May 2012 - 05:44 PM, said:

This is more about your previous comment look at his build and the video again. SoA, Sanc and many other ways to counter his build is not able to be done because of his spec. The only thing that Balanced Stance doesn't protect him from, I believe, is Pulls and obviously regualr Obstructions like line of Warding. Yes, thought I hope it's nerfed a little.

His build isnt built to counter burst but to stay on target and dish out some good damage, I plan on doing a similar thing with survivability utility skills and tome of courage, or wrath cant decide.

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View PostSir Sparhawk, on 02 May 2012 - 04:32 PM, said:

Warrior isnt going to stay op, they nerfed guardians because guardians were op a year ago. Yes people guardians used to be op, they could trait for offense and build for damage but still have like 17k hp and do around 9k with zealots defense. Then it got nerfed by about half so to get that damage you need to go all offensive, when every other classes damage is toned down you will see balance but atm I wouldnt worry to much. Also that warrior is easy to counter, when he starts hundred blades just pop shelter, then use aegis, it will absorb most of the damage or even leap of faith for the blind. Either way its best to theorycraft when game is finished with beta.

I also hope that Warrior will be nerfed, but I have to say, you make it sound remarkably easy to counter them in their current state.  I can tell you from experience, it's not going to work as nicely as you lay out in your example - the most obvious flaw in your reasoning comes back to cooldowns.  Hundred Blades has a 6 second cooldown - it doesn't matter how many defensive skills you bring, you're not going to be able to stop it every time just by trying to block/blind/dodge your way through.  Pop Shelter and Courage, sure, they'll cut down on some of the damage.  But then they're out of commission for a long time, and the Warrior's already getting ready to go for round two.  With your defenses down and 10-15k HP, do you really think you can beat them in a damage race?  

It doesn't seem like you've had a chance to play in the beta yet, but if Warriors are still at their current level when you do, you'll quickly come to understand just how dangerous they can be.  As an offensive Guardian, taking a head-on approach to dealing with them is going to be a hard lesson.  Lay it out on paper however you like - theorycraft your counters and tactics for getting the edge.  You may be able to win sometimes, depending on your build and the skill of your opponent.   But don't be too surprised if, most of the time, things don't go your way.

With your passion for having heavy damage in your playstyle, I'm honestly surprised you're still considering Guardian over Warrior, since the Warrior is really much more suited to what you're looking for.  Big numbers, excellent burst, lots of CC - they're perfect for killing lots of things very quickly, which, based on all of your posts in this forum, is exactly what you want to do.  I wouldn't think the aesthetics of the Guardian class would outweigh that potential.

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Posted 03 May 2012 - 10:40 AM

I haven't died to a single warrior on my guardian as of yet.. scepter immobilize + kiting + 213123 aegis + blind + 20k hp + regen > warrior

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Posted 03 May 2012 - 11:03 AM

View PostEntropyTwo, on 03 May 2012 - 10:40 AM, said:

I haven't died to a single warrior on my guardian as of yet.. scepter immobilize + kiting + 213123 aegis + blind + 20k hp + regen &--#62; warrior

Well then you met awful warriors.

I played both in bwe and and not a single guardian had a chance, bulls rush and then hundred blades för 6k damage (yeah its a bit low, i didnt go full dps) and then repeat 6k every 6 seconds. Combine that with that i had 2 gapcloser on the 2h sword, 4 cc on my hammer (3 aoe) and one ranged cc and one gapcloser with knock down in utility. And if i get in trouble i just pop my bubble and then signet of rage with 30 sec duration and suddenly everything crits. Btw the hammer hits for 2k each hit, pretty nice for a defensive weapon.

Sorry if a sword/hammer warrior with 22k hp knows what he is doing you stand no chance in hell.

Edited by Brutaly, 03 May 2012 - 11:07 AM.


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Posted 03 May 2012 - 11:30 AM

i cant believe that cause ive met a gazillion ones and how does bullstrike ever hit? Oo you got so many dodges and blocks

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Posted 03 May 2012 - 11:58 AM

View PostEntropyTwo, on 03 May 2012 - 11:30 AM, said:

how does bullstrike ever hit?
I dont understand the question, it hits, its as simple as that. Btw its called bulls charge in my world.

View PostEntropyTwo, on 03 May 2012 - 11:30 AM, said:

you got so many dodges and blocks

When i play my guardian i have just as many dodges as i have on the warrior. In a one on one a stun is the same as a bubble and if you want lets switch the hammer for a axe and shield instead and then the warrior has even better bubbles then a shield guardian. This leaves focus and blocking three incoming and do you plan to have more then one bubble in utility? The reason why i am asking is that the warrior bubble allows for movement while its up.

The thing is the guardian cant take down the warrior before he used all the cooldowns and the warrior dont need cooldowns to rip the guardian new *.

Dont get me wrong, i will play guardian as my main, warriors are easymode and boring, but sincerely you dont stand a chance and if you dont belive me send me a pm and i will join up on the same server (if eu) next beta, if they keep it as it is, and we can duel in a couple of games.

Edited by Brutaly, 03 May 2012 - 12:01 PM.


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Posted 03 May 2012 - 12:45 PM

Let's try it out next time, aslong as warrios / guardians didn't get changed, cause as of last balance patch the dodge rune got a 50% nerf and the guardian elite got a 50% duration nerf. As for the blocks, retreat, heal, passive aegis, active aegis are 4 already, combined with ult you get another aegis and of course the 3 attack block from the focus.

The way i beat warriors on guardian was to simply immoblize, smite with active burning, aegis healing on removal, 3 dodge rolls ( 4 in past ), knockback if they charge / switch to axe and all the active blockings, of course. Only things that ever killed me efficiently were the anet necros & ganks

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Posted 03 May 2012 - 01:06 PM

Just to chime in on the discussion above, while its interesting to look at classes on a 1v1 basis you cant really compare them. The game is balanced on teams so you need to look at 5v5 teams and what the Warrior/Guardian bring with them.

So while the standard warrior deals more damage in a 1v1 fight a guardian with a slight offence spec (say 15k HP) can hold his own defensivly 2/3v1 a lot better with the correct utilitys than the avg warrior. A Warrior is better at fighting over a point in a group fight because of the burst damage but a guardian is better at a quick nutralisation on its own against 1/2 players and then locking the spot down for a few seconds to stop the other team extending a lead. A guardian is a better proffession than warrior for someone who wants to use the treb as the other team needs to normally dispatch more players to stop them quickly. Etc etc. All of that is just looking at very standard builds and experience from over the weekend but again, 1v1 is fairly meaningless in the big picture, need to think more about what you are bringing to the team as a whole.

New video for today is rendering now, its a pretty interesting one where i get auto balanced to the other team after helping my innitial team get a huge lead...but its a good match :)

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Posted 03 May 2012 - 01:28 PM

Wrong. They stated its balanced from 1x1 up to 5x5. Maybe i can find it, google's a bitch.

Edited by EntropyTwo, 03 May 2012 - 01:43 PM.


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Posted 03 May 2012 - 05:28 PM

View PostSoryuju, on 03 May 2012 - 12:28 AM, said:

I also hope that Warrior will be nerfed, but I have to say, you make it sound remarkably easy to counter them in their current state.  I can tell you from experience, it's not going to work as nicely as you lay out in your example - the most obvious flaw in your reasoning comes back to cooldowns.  Hundred Blades has a 6 second cooldown - it doesn't matter how many defensive skills you bring, you're not going to be able to stop it every time just by trying to block/blind/dodge your way through.  Pop Shelter and Courage, sure, they'll cut down on some of the damage.  But then they're out of commission for a long time, and the Warrior's already getting ready to go for round two.  With your defenses down and 10-15k HP, do you really think you can beat them in a damage race?  

It doesn't seem like you've had a chance to play in the beta yet, but if Warriors are still at their current level when you do, you'll quickly come to understand just how dangerous they can be.  As an offensive Guardian, taking a head-on approach to dealing with them is going to be a hard lesson.  Lay it out on paper however you like - theorycraft your counters and tactics for getting the edge.  You may be able to win sometimes, depending on your build and the skill of your opponent.   But don't be too surprised if, most of the time, things don't go your way.

With your passion for having heavy damage in your playstyle, I'm honestly surprised you're still considering Guardian over Warrior, since the Warrior is really much more suited to what you're looking for.  Big numbers, excellent burst, lots of CC - they're perfect for killing lots of things very quickly, which, based on all of your posts in this forum, is exactly what you want to do.  I wouldn't think the aesthetics of the Guardian class would outweigh that potential.

For me the aesthetics do outweigh it big time, mainly because guardian and ranger are gonna be the first 2 classes I make so if offensive guardian doesnt work then I can still go ranger which will. Yea I havent played in beta so its all theorycrafting but trust me when I say Im very good at pvp, I counter burst in every game I play. A 6 sec cd on hundred blades isnt the problem since you can roll out of its path, the warrior does that stupid damage only with their cds stacked up like that otherwise its considerably lowered which each of their cds have a 40 sec or longer cd to add that burst. Surviving the first wave wont be hard since you will expect it, and dodging the second will be much easier without their root or bulls charge. Im also gonna rock this build which will add offense and some form of defense through offense, by that I mean hammer knocking down every 10 seconds, and I hear sword roots on its command so thats another skill I can exploit since its command has like a 5 sec cd. Either way I think guardian will be much more on even turns by release, either we will get buffed in damage or warrior gets nerfed, either works for me. Even if the spirit weapon idea doesnt work I can always change utility skills around to fit my needs.
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Posted 13 May 2012 - 10:14 PM


Edited by Ziz, 14 May 2012 - 04:28 AM.


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Posted 13 May 2012 - 10:14 PM

You should of just posted it here, no point posting it twice.
Awesome vid anyway.

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 11:28 PM

I love that focus....haven't seen/used focus yet that much....didn't know that the shielding skill from focus is that cool!

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 11:49 PM

Good vid, I didnt see you take to much damage unless you were outnumbered or focused on which is reasonable. Ever thought of dropping some of that health for a bit more damage?

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 02:00 AM

Your ward placement was pretty good but most of the fights you outnumbered them.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 02:08 AM

I personally dont like the sword/focus combo because of the lack of CC's
Atleast with a shield you have a knockdown/knockback that can be exploited to your advantage

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 02:49 AM

I like the way you transitioned from some of the fights.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 03:07 AM

Wait... did you have sword/focus sword/focus? I see you weapon swapping, but all your skils/cooldowns are the same. WTH are you doing lol? Otherwise, nice vid thanks for sharing.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 04:16 AM

View Postbhima, on 14 May 2012 - 03:07 AM, said:

Wait... did you have sword/focus sword/focus? I see you weapon swapping, but all your skils/cooldowns are the same. WTH are you doing lol? Otherwise, nice vid thanks for sharing.

its sword/shield sword/focus
i like 1h sword the most and swapping gave me energy and cast the frost nova around me slowing them

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 01:29 PM

Pro guard
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Posted 15 May 2012 - 01:55 PM

So what we should take from this is "if you are using a build thats all over the place, and you don't know how to use half your skills, pray for a server crash"?

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 02:05 PM

I seen that earlier today, not my style but solid video.

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 03:07 PM

I don't like 'all melee' builds.. Consecrations could be handy, but I prefer shouts and meditations myself.

I love mike b videos, he is so funny.. lol, but this is not ' the best of' spvp guardian, I enjoyed it a lot tho!   :)

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 03:29 PM

Agreed, I love melee personally. The only range I like are bows and guardians dont get that option.

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 04:55 PM

enjoyed it

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 05:17 PM

Hey everyone.

This is Master Eriko from the guild Unlimited. The following is a video showing the capabilities of the guardian in a sPvP environment. It was recorded during the stress test monday 14/5 2012. I'm running a defensive point defender build which is based around capturing and holding points against multiple foes at a time. The video showcases outnumbered situations including 1v3, 1v4 and 2v5. Enjoy, and may it prove as inspiration to all of those who are considering rolling a guardian on release!



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Posted 15 May 2012 - 06:09 PM

Eh Im still holding hope guardians can be offensive but it seems like they lowered damage from crits. If not then there are still a few damage builds that might work but I think that if overall guardians fail at offense I will just shelve him till they get offensive viability.

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 11:55 PM

Master Eriko,


The opposite of a glass cannon, more like a steel spoon:)   Do you mind posting your build?  I like seeing a hammer used.  

In most of those fights you are solo, is that specc useful in support as well?  

Nice to see some in combat rezzing, not enough of that going around.

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