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#991 Gilles VI

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Posted 16 May 2014 - 01:13 PM

View PostStargate, on 16 May 2014 - 05:28 AM, said:

You know this thread is my number one FUN thread in the Gamer's Lair. Having watching all these rants about this game has made me smile. What is funny people talk about WOW "killers", but they don't want to release a 6th single player game of ES anytime soon since that could "kill" this MMO.

Where did you read this?

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Posted 16 May 2014 - 01:49 PM

View PostStargate, on 16 May 2014 - 12:43 PM, said:

Neverwinter MMO is a themepark game and totally opposite of sandbox game, but one would believe there would be some other good none sub SANDBOX game out there until ESO gets improved.

ESO is a complete Themepark. There is no sandbox to it, none. In fact, it's even more restrictive than GW2 or most Theme Park out there.

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Posted 16 May 2014 - 01:58 PM

View PostMiragee, on 16 May 2014 - 01:49 PM, said:

ESO is a complete Themepark. There is no sandbox to it, none. In fact, it's even more restrictive than GW2 or most Theme Park out there.

It's a bad themepark at that, where grouping is almost useless for 99% of the game..

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Posted 16 May 2014 - 03:52 PM

View PostStargate, on 16 May 2014 - 12:43 PM, said:

It is actually worse for some households many couples play it together and both male and female are double charged and some people pay 6 months advance. Imagine both husband and wife get 6 months extra charge so the whole houshold get 2*6 months= 12 months extracharge.

What a mess, but that is life. I payed 300 freaking euro to a phone company as insurance fee. I told them I don't have any criminal record so why do I need to pay insurance fee? Answer I got that since I have lived less then 2 years in my country after living abroad they have problem checking my records abroad. I need my phone subscription NOW so I payed the damn insurance to make it faster.

The good news is that I will eventually be paid back my 300 euro and all ESO players will logically be payed back. However it is a cruel world for example you need to be active and demand the payment back.

What I fail to understand if everybody complain so much about this game why not play a free or no sub MMO? I have renting income from 2 apartments as extra income, but I am still going to play FREE Neverwinter MMO once football World Cup ends in July.

Neverwinter MMO is a themepark game and totally opposite of sandbox game, but one would believe there would be some other good none sub SANDBOX game out there until ESO gets improved.

Could you explain me one little think.
Why you think anybody care about your income from rent? Why you talking about it all the time?

21 century. We have online payments for everything, I mostly pay with card or paypal. Automated systems for those transactions works 24/7 and for the most time are instant but zenimax for some strange reason require credit card and paying with added deposit. WTF is this bullshit. They aren't selling houses, they just rent game time.

Players who was charged several times etc should get their money back instantly. Zenimax should work as fast as possible to make this process fast, not because it's good idea but because they pretty much hurt their own customers.
PPl remember for a very long time those type of things connected with money.

And yes, elder scrolls games as whole universe are for the most part not that good. Very buggy, with bad mechanic, and works decent only with billions of mods. The same problem has fallout series in bethesda hands.

I don't like elder scrolls Lore because it's illogical. They in ESO change setup to 1000 years before skyrim. 1000 freaking years and nothing changed. Skyrim "technology" is the same, everything is the same, this freaking world does not change at all.
They try to make a world in which you want to discover things, explore dungeons etc. But this is another illogical aspect. Dwemer ruins, other ruins, 1000 years old, 10000 years old or any other amount years old. And yes nobody explored them in those 10000 years. You as a dragonborn or whatever are the first willing person in 10000 years to go in that cave which is 200 m from city and explore it. yeah right.

Bethesda even made the same with fallout. Caravans everywhere, scavengers everywhere, bandits everywhere and they want me to believe that this or that shack or cave survived with pre war brand new power armor and big badass rifle?

Either world is a full of life, and in the world full of life there is pretty much nothing new to explore, no more unexplored ruins on the roads and your main opposition are other ppl

or you made world in the type of wasteland, empty, dangerous, lethal where many things are unexplored because:
1. few ppl out there
2. they are afraid,

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Posted 16 May 2014 - 05:36 PM

View Postmaster21, on 16 May 2014 - 03:52 PM, said:

Could you explain me one little think.
Why you think anybody care about your income from rent? Why you talking about it all the time?

21 century. We have online payments for everything, I mostly pay with card or paypal. Automated systems for those transactions works 24/7 and for the most time are instant but zenimax for some strange reason require credit card and paying with added deposit. WTF is this bullshit. They aren't selling houses, they just rent game time.

Players who was charged several times etc should get their money back instantly. Zenimax should work as fast as possible to make this process fast, not because it's good idea but because they pretty much hurt their own customers.
PPl remember for a very long time those type of things connected with money.

And yes, elder scrolls games as whole universe are for the most part not that good. Very buggy, with bad mechanic, and works decent only with billions of mods. The same problem has fallout series in bethesda hands.

I don't like elder scrolls Lore because it's illogical. They in ESO change setup to 1000 years before skyrim. 1000 freaking years and nothing changed. Skyrim "technology" is the same, everything is the same, this freaking world does not change at all.
They try to make a world in which you want to discover things, explore dungeons etc. But this is another illogical aspect. Dwemer ruins, other ruins, 1000 years old, 10000 years old or any other amount years old. And yes nobody explored them in those 10000 years. You as a dragonborn or whatever are the first willing person in 10000 years to go in that cave which is 200 m from city and explore it. yeah right.

Bethesda even made the same with fallout. Caravans everywhere, scavengers everywhere, bandits everywhere and they want me to believe that this or that shack or cave survived with pre war brand new power armor and big badass rifle?

Either world is a full of life, and in the world full of life there is pretty much nothing new to explore, no more unexplored ruins on the roads and your main opposition are other ppl

or you made world in the type of wasteland, empty, dangerous, lethal where many things are unexplored because:
1. few ppl out there
2. they are afraid,
My point was that unless you have millions you should care if a game has sub or not. I played WOW for almost 4 years and with all expansion payed way more then 550 euro for that.

A bit deeper nasty explanation in spoilers and not meant to insult anyone in the forums:
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I agree with you that a game should not require a credit card. However my best explanation and guess is that in some countries like USA or Sweden you are treated as criminal if you are adult and do not have a credit card.

I am born in Finland. In Finland it is NOT common that every adult needs to have credit card. When I moved to Sweden and lived there for about 2,5 years I quickly fixed a Master Card. In Sweden they think you have serious problems or are retarded if you are adult and do not have credit card.

My point being the developers are from USA they might think the same way as in Sweden. Finally a CREDIT CARD makes automatic withdrawal if the player does not have currently money then it withdraws it as debt to be paid later by player. If player has problems to pay that amount then he gets problem to solve it with the credit card company.

Now I liked WOW in that way that it did not require credit card. You could buy 2 month code for about 25 euros and inserted that code to WOW and never had to insert credit card information.

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Realism in fantasy? I don't care about that. However interesting and challenging(well not to hard either do not mean impossible everywhere) world is perhaps more a problem currently with this game and bugs if we talk about none charging issues.

Why don't I get lead of this game? Three orders that I would give:
1. Fix the charging correctly no extra charges etc.
2. Make game more interesting and challenging.
3. Sell special adults pack for nude Skyrim mods like content:). Only those who pay for it can see that content.

Of course I would be greedy. Hell no would I get rid of subfee and if I would be in this project, but if not then they need to improve a lot otherwise to justify a subfee.

As as potential player of course I hope they get rid of subfee.

Edited by Stargate, 17 May 2014 - 03:09 PM.


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Posted 17 May 2014 - 11:37 AM

Hey I would add if I would get a lead that get money from Werewolf, Vampire as races now they are free.

Werewolf and Vampire are interesting in ESO. By the way added nasty spoiler to my previous post above. Edited spoiler part a bit... oh and to become Werewolf or Vampire in this game would be cool.

Edited by Stargate, 17 May 2014 - 03:07 PM.


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Posted 23 May 2014 - 04:29 AM

Craglorn patch finally released. One of the much looked-forward to tweaks was doubling XP for VR mobs... for VR9/10, turns out they doubled everything else too. When people were already quitting in frustration over the difficulty...

This thing is failing faster than ToR. Still I'm guessing they will try to drag a sub out till the console releases, even if it doesn't make them very much.

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Posted 23 May 2014 - 08:44 AM

I have to say, they have a GREAT way of ensuring their forums are not filled with complaints from all the people having payment & sub time issue's - 1-3 days after your sub time expires you completely loose the ability to post on the forums.  If people with complaints, problems, etc can't post... then your forums look all great and not filled with problems and issue's! Great isn't it!? /sarcasm

This is why the support forums were filled to the brim full of threads and post's complaining about the double/triple/more charging they were getting hammered with while not getting any actual sub time even though they were being charged 2-4+ times.... and now all you see in the support forums is threads about bugs & other issue's... cuz all the ppl complaining don't have an active sub and so can no longer post on the official forums... so the forums look free of these kind of issue's...

GENIUS! /gags

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Posted 23 May 2014 - 09:14 AM

Well, seems I should be happy I dodged this bullet. *shakes head* It had such potential.

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Posted 23 May 2014 - 10:50 AM

It seems like the entire dev team has absolutely no idea how the playerbase feels about certain content/mechanics.
Anyway I'm not surprised, it's been like this since the beta...

Edited by Gilles VI, 23 May 2014 - 10:50 AM.


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Posted 23 May 2014 - 01:41 PM

View PostGilles VI, on 23 May 2014 - 10:50 AM, said:

It seems like the entire dev team has absolutely no idea how the playerbase feels about certain content/mechanics.

Hey, just like in Guild Wars 2!

I personally had the chance to experience the game during beta, didn't seem like anything more interesting that what we had on the market. I would have been filled with joy if it was Skyrim multiplayer , but what do i know about video games...

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Posted 24 May 2014 - 08:38 PM

View PostKatsumi Kei, on 23 May 2014 - 01:41 PM, said:

Hey, just like in Guild Wars 2!

I personally had the chance to experience the game during beta, didn't seem like anything more interesting that what we had on the market. I would have been filled with joy if it was Skyrim multiplayer , but what do i know about video games...

Same here, I knew from beta this would fail hard...

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Posted 24 May 2014 - 09:04 PM

View PostGilles VI, on 24 May 2014 - 08:38 PM, said:

Same here, I knew from beta this would fail hard...
Yes it has more or less failed but they did get income from sales in the beginning. It is also possible they make improvements though yeah lots need to be improved to justify a sub game or make some improvements and remove subfee.

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Posted 24 May 2014 - 09:21 PM

View PostStargate, on 24 May 2014 - 09:04 PM, said:

Yes it has more or less failed but they did get income from sales in the beginning. It is also possible they make improvements though yeah lots need to be improved to justify a sub game or make some improvements and remove subfee.

The question is not whether the company has made money or not but whether the gaming community has finally learned from this or will jump onto the next stupid hype train on a game that will obviously be bad.

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Posted 24 May 2014 - 09:35 PM

View PostMiragee, on 24 May 2014 - 09:21 PM, said:

The question is not whether the company has made money or not but whether the gaming community has finally learned from this or will jump onto the next stupid hype train on a game that will obviously be bad.
Well it also depends on the player. Some players never seem to find their game and other enjoy them for a while at least. That while can be years on months depending on what game and what player.

Neverwinter MMO released 2013 was not a failure to me. in fact my real life friend has begged me to start playing it again with him and I have said YES will do sooner or later(well at least after World Cup 2014 fotball ends). They have also in Neverwinter MMO 3rd expansion Icewind Dale updated the graphics and PvP section at least if you are max level has much more to offer then in the beginning. I will likely post info about Neverwinter MMO again in that thread after I start playing it again. A forth Neverwinter MMO expanison is currently being developed and it will have a new race Dragonborn and also a new class(though unknown what that class is).

No offense, but I do not judge games based on the community in these forums though this forum members tell much good info and give links to videos etc. However the gaming community in general(not only these forums) has complained about ESO so yes I do think that MMO has problems no doubt about that.

Edited by Stargate, 24 May 2014 - 09:45 PM.


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Posted 25 May 2014 - 07:36 AM

View PostStargate, on 24 May 2014 - 09:35 PM, said:

No offense, but I do not judge games based on the community in these forums though this forum members tell much good info and give links to videos etc. However the gaming community in general(not only these forums) has complained about ESO so yes I do think that MMO has problems no doubt about that.

I wasn't talking about this forum alone. The problems were made loud on nearly every website that had something ESO related (even on the official forums and reddit, but both got censored to death). Still there were tons of people defending Zenimax, talking about how good the beta plays (when it was certainly not playing good, from an objective point of view) and buying into each new cash grab zenimax announced. I mean, even if the game was decent the cash grabs introduced by zenimax shouldn't be tolerated.
We (I) have seen this mutiple times in the last years: Big franchises used to create a big hype around a new game that doesn't deliver what the dev's promised before release at all. They straight up lie to their customers. In any other business that would be the death of the company. But the gaming com isn't matured yet. The failure of D3 and the following massive hype around the RoS expansion showed that. The question is if the com is going to learn from this or will continue to be taken for a sucker.

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 09:38 AM

View PostMiragee, on 25 May 2014 - 07:36 AM, said:

I wasn't talking about this forum alone. The problems were made loud on nearly every website that had something ESO related (even on the official forums and reddit, but both got censored to death). Still there were tons of people defending Zenimax, talking about how good the beta plays (when it was certainly not playing good, from an objective point of view) and buying into each new cash grab zenimax announced. I mean, even if the game was decent the cash grabs introduced by zenimax shouldn't be tolerated.
We (I) have seen this mutiple times in the last years: Big franchises used to create a big hype around a new game that doesn't deliver what the dev's promised before release at all. They straight up lie to their customers. In any other business that would be the death of the company. But the gaming com isn't matured yet. The failure of D3 and the following massive hype around the RoS expansion showed that. The question is if the com is going to learn from this or will continue to be taken for a sucker.
Oh yeah you speak truth. It seems everytime we get new MMO in some regard it fails to HYPE.

Let give me 3 examples of FAILURE though it does not mean total failure or that the game is utterly bad. Keep in mind that many HYPE comments have somewhere mentioned "subject to change".

Age of Conan: I was pleased with graphics, music and nudity in the first 6 months... eventually nudity was censored since in some states in USA they threatened to ban the sales of that MMO in that state. However the big lie was that during release it would have smart monsters AI that make coordinated attacks towards villages/towns. During my whole time of playing 6 months roughly I did not see any such AI/monster behavior.

Guild Wars 2: Developer said they will not do Direct X10 graphics since it is old technology. They said they will release Direct X 11 graphics but some time after the release. The official policy today spring 2014 is what I have heard that Guild Wars 2 will likely never get Direct X 11 graphics.

I am sure there are other things but this annoys me since my graphicard really needs the Direct X11 boost.

Neverwinter MMO: Hyped to be storydriven Action MMO and supported by Wizards of the Coasts best author R.A, Salvatore that is famous and successful author. I thought despite being Action MMO it would have lots of story. Wrong! Neverwinter MMO main campaign has very little story. There is not more story then say for example WOW. There is the tool Foundry that player can use to create instance adventures. However I must say the most story based adventures created by players in Neverwinter are crap and bad and most of them that I like are Action based and have cool monsters(for example Werewolves, Succubus Demon) etc.

Now the 4th expansion(these expansions are like modules) Tyranny of Dragons
http://community.arc...anny-of-dragons
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"The fourth module will offer a new storyline with a compelling and vibrant Dungeons & Dragons experience."
Right the Neverwinter MMO is to its core ACTION MMO. It remains to be seen how "much" story the 4th expansion will have.

Finally no I am NOT story based player/movie fan!!! In fact those that know my taste should know that STORY is never the reason I want to play see a movie. However good story can certainly be benefit to add that last piece if all others things are good.
However I REALLY thought the Neverwinter main campaign would have more story then it does, but no it does not have more story then WOW for example. Yes there is some story, but not much.

Edited by Stargate, 25 May 2014 - 09:56 AM.





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