draxynnic, on 06 May 2012 - 07:01 AM, said:
I think the bolded is the biggest issue here. This is something that could lead to race/profession discrimination in PvE dungeons - lacking an inherent mobile elite means that in dungeons where that might be important to have, guardians might be judged on what racial elites (that can be used without being immobilised) they have available.
This is inevitable but I do hope that people grade Guardians based on how good the players are at playing them. Then again, Guardians are the only class that have a skill that heals a 5 man party to full health so I wouldn't count them out. People might actually take them for that more than anything else.
Ullysis, on 06 May 2012 - 03:14 PM, said:
Warrior has Invulnerability (Defense Trait - Shrug it off) 5secs traited at 25% health which can be extended to 6.25secs (Defense trait - surefooted) plus a utility for the same skill giving them 10secs or 12.5secs total if traited. Talk about carnage, they can also still move and it breaks stun. That's a profession that can truly cause serious damage compared to the guardian. I see absolutely no reason AT ALL for the version we have being so useless. 10 secs mobility and renewing virtues (does not even break stun) for an elite skill while another profession can get the same invulnerability with a utility and traits when they still have a seperate elite like "juggernaut". I fought a warrior who almost killed me cos at 25% HP endure pain activated then he popped the utility and finally went Juggy on me.
I had 23K HP as a defensive guard and he got me down to 2k and I'd used RF(10sec) for nothing, as it's not like it increased my health or nothing while I'm stuck in place squatting and straining like I needed to do a no. 2. Dude just waited me out and popped his utility when I was done ( I also foundout there's no cooldown period on Shrug it off, so if a warrior goes to 30% HP and then back to 25% this thing activates AGAIN), he opened up a 12 sec can of whoopass on me and then went Juggy to boot. I spent the fight trying to live as it was pointless fighting back for the initial 12secs and putting my skills on cd so I ran (he chased and knocked me down), I fought back when he went Juggy on me but in this 30 secs fight he was back at 90% HP while I was struggling...some people came to help otherwise I'd have taken a dirt nap and he still even got away. He was my buddy and we were testing the soldier classes but man was he loving it, he traited shouts to heal (every 25 sec), had 20sec cd on mending heals...i'm not complaining about the way the guardian plays but I wanna have as much fun as him lol
I was fighting.... someone in PvP, don't remember the class and what I did was; Activate Renewed Focus, whilst I was channeling that, I activated all my virtues so I gained aegis, a bit of health and burn on next hit, when the channeling finished, the guy hit me he burns 'cos I have "Aegis burns on removal" then I hit him because I get to burn him on next hit after using Justice, then I activate all my virtues again to get all that a second time and I kill him.
It worked fine for me.
Edited by Dirame, 06 May 2012 - 03:38 PM.