grimmson, on 29 May 2012 - 01:30 PM, said:
holy crap they play differently, the end! the bleeder does not have to sit on his target to do damage and his autoattacks aren't very weak eitehr. who said that bleed warriors have to boost condition damage to max? a nice hybrid is way better.
and please stop those fantasy lol numbers, 30k damage, I loled and cried the same time because im tired of these discussions.
I wonder how this forum would look like without youtube
Are you saying two 10k evicerates aren't going to happen? Are you saying 2 hundred blades aren't going to add about 5000 Damage apiece? (I'll give you I don't know how much my opponents toughness can affect those numbers, but to just laugh them off seems a little wrong)
Now I totally agree a nice mix is better. In fact if you would have read my posts from yesterday I even recommended a hybrid bleeder and thought really highly of him. I guess you failed to read that though. What I am trying to get people to think about is the first 10ish seconds when they could have already lost the fight with their all bleed no power warrior.
Killyox, on 29 May 2012 - 01:39 PM, said:
@Frog, explain please, i am VERY curious, HOW do you dodge riposte? LOL if you attack and i riposte you get 4 stacks, nothing to dodge there mate.
You are using hyperbole and dont understand 35-40k dmg you speak of is simply not possible vs someone with decent armor.
4-5 seconds of bleed at 8 stacks is 4800 damage. Add in dmg from attacks and you're @around 10k already. As i have already said it is very possible to have sever artery apply 1-3 stacks of bleed PER HIT excluding everything else if specced/geared for it. Add in direct dmg from your attacks+ additional bleeds and you look at hefty damage.
You hyperbole eviscerate and 100b and severly underestimate condition dmg.
I've crunched all the numbers for the last 2 days on condition damage. In the first 10 seconds of a fight it's very underwhelming. I'll tell you what, you tell me how much dmg I will do with 2 evicerates and 2 hundred blades. Please I'm dying to hear your estimate.
BTW: I told you all I had quite a bit of hope for a warrior that could proc alot of bleeds with flurry and then follow up with his other high stack bleed skills after condition removal (Or vice versa). I still have alot of hope for that tactic. So instead of just nitpicking at my posts take them in whole. I'm a very reasonable guy you are going to have to be reasonable too.
Also, as far as dodging riposte, it don't matter as long as I can dodge the other 2 (Flurry and what's its name).
Here's my biggest problem with the bleeder crowd, they all do the same thing, they look at the max dmg numbers at max stacks of bleeds and awe over those numbers. Yea the max stack numbers are impressive but they don't ever wanna think about how long it can take them to get there. So please admit getting to max stacks isn't going to be instant, especially when they can reset you to nothing while all your high bleed stack skills are on CD with 1 condition removal. Please admit that any dmg build can dish out alot of dmg in the amount of time you are going to be trying to get to max stack size. Until yall can admit those things this discussion is going to be pointless. I'm not even going to say you will necessarily lose a fight because of this but it is something that needs taken into consideration for any bleeder build.
Edited by FrogReaver, 29 May 2012 - 02:05 PM.