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#91 keresturec

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Posted 31 May 2012 - 10:00 PM

View Postmutecow, on 31 May 2012 - 01:45 PM, said:

really? you can add 25 stacks of bleeds in 5 seconds?and he doesnt do anything to cleanse them off in the meantime?

even if they do die in 5 seconds. they still die faster to burst. If you can get 25 stacks onto them in 5 seconds ( with teammates' help) and kill them, you can probably burst them to death instantly. If you can do X amount of dps in 5 seconds, how much dps do you think he can do in 5 seconds?

If you and your team is able to kill him in 5 seconds, then he and his team can do the exact same. By downing him instantly you remove 1/5 or 1/4 or 1/3 of his teams firepower, that could mean life and death for one of your team.

What part of "if you don't have an active condition removal with you = dead." don't you understand? And yes really you can stack 25 bleeds in 3-4 seconds with flurry. Next time read the actual thread before you jump to conclusions. And fyi burst can be avoided just as easily as conditions can be removed. fyi2 did you know conditions can be spread to all enemy team members? I'm done here.

Edited by keresturec, 31 May 2012 - 10:00 PM.


#92 taugrim

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Posted 03 June 2012 - 07:59 PM

Does it work for a dual-wield setup to use Sigil of Earth on both weapons, so that on a crit each Sigil has a 30% chance to proc a bleed?

I know that when dual wielding, for any ability both Sigils apply. But I didn't try stacking the same sigil.

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 05:26 AM

View Posttaugrim, on 03 June 2012 - 07:59 PM, said:

Does it work for a dual-wield setup to use Sigil of Earth on both weapons, so that on a crit each Sigil has a 30% chance to proc a bleed?

I know that when dual wielding, for any ability both Sigils apply. But I didn't try stacking the same sigil.

According to "grimmson" in this thread, yes they do.

View Postgrimmson, on 28 May 2012 - 11:55 PM, said:

used this build on beta:
http://www.gw2builds...-1.2.5.8.10.1.5

and I experienced:
-sigil of earth can both proc with one attack. I am 99.98% sure that I got 4 stacks of bleed with the 1-attack crit of a sword while messing with golems (skill bleed, earth bleed*2, trait bleed), but no screenshot/video :\
- flurry is on 10sec cd, u can reduce it to 8 sec
- flurry can apply a full 25 bleed stack (+ awesome damage with right build/gear)
- sure-footed works with trait triggered stances
-with the above build one warrior can dash into enemy/enemies, kill 1-2 in mere seconds and get out with quite a nice health bar left :(

Edited by Ivarr_Ironfist, 04 June 2012 - 05:29 AM.


#94 taugrim

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 06:11 AM

View PostIvarr_Ironfist, on 04 June 2012 - 05:26 AM, said:

According to "grimmson" in this thread, yes they do.

OK, thanks for posting that.

I'll verify myself this coming weekend.

I had initially guessed that they would not, and therefore used the Crit sigil in one weapon and the Bleed sigil on the other weapon. That said, after doing some math for a dual wield setup with moderate to high crit, stacking both bleed sigils is the way to go for a condition build.

Edited by taugrim, 04 June 2012 - 06:11 AM.


#95 Ivarr_Ironfist

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 03:29 AM

View Posttaugrim, on 04 June 2012 - 06:11 AM, said:

OK, thanks for posting that.

I'll verify myself this coming weekend.

I had initially guessed that they would not, and therefore used the Crit sigil in one weapon and the Bleed sigil on the other weapon. That said, after doing some math for a dual wield setup with moderate to high crit, stacking both bleed sigils is the way to go for a condition build.

I tested it briefly. Hit the dummy for a few minutes and never once did I get a double proc. Nothing conclusive - but a strong indication that one Sigil of Earth is enough. Even if they don't double proc, a second sigil could still provide some benefit if it added to the chance of a proc actually happening - which I really doubt, but it's worth pointing out.

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 05:00 AM

Interesting.  I hope Taugrim's results verify this.  I need to make a change on Sigil it seems.  I have to admit, I've never noticed a "double proc" either, but I'm not really looking for it.  If double Earth doesn't work, it'd be interesting to find out whether other on-crit Sigils work together as well.  Much easier to test that... I think I'll have to do that tomorrow.

Edited by Ayestes, 10 June 2012 - 05:02 AM.


#97 taugrim

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 07:31 AM

View PostIvarr_Ironfist, on 10 June 2012 - 03:29 AM, said:

I tested it briefly. Hit the dummy for a few minutes and never once did I get a double proc. Nothing conclusive - but a strong indication that one Sigil of Earth is enough. Even if they don't double proc, a second sigil could still provide some benefit if it added to the chance of a proc actually happening - which I really doubt, but it's worth pointing out.

I tested on Elementalist using Scepter / Dagger. I assume the mechanics are the same for the sigils across classes.

Here's what I found:
1. if you have a bleed sigil on your offhand, your mainhand attacks can proc bleeds
2. putting bleed sigils on both weapons doesn't seem to ever proc 2 bleeds on a crit. I watched dozens of auto-attacks. Nada.

#2 above is probably by design, it would be too easy to bleed stack otherwise.

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 02:42 PM

Other threads are reporting that they are increasing the amount of bleeds they generate with their multi-attacks by stacking Sigil of Earth on both weapons.  However, with a little testing I did as well I never saw them both proc at the same time.  It's completely possible that they have independent chances to proc, but can't proc at the same time giving it an 84% chance to proc that 5s base bleed.   It then becomes somewhat of a debatable choice.

It increases your average bleeds per strike from .93 to 1.17 which is about a 26% increase in 5s bleeding stacks.   It means Flurry generates 18.7 5s Bleeds and 16 2s Bleeds when it is fully charged on average.   This is actually too much bleed...  (With 100% Crit Rate, which is probably too high as well)   With a 50% (70% Fury) crit rate you are getting about 26 Bleeds on a Flurry with only one Sigil, and 29 with two.

Edited by Ayestes, 14 June 2012 - 02:55 PM.


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Posted 14 June 2012 - 03:40 PM

New change to flurry is awesome. Suddenly stacking precision and getting 50% inc to bleeds is very good.

Flurry alone might get 20 stacks; from flurry, from crits, from sigil procs.

Naaaasstyyyy

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 07:06 PM

View PostAyestes, on 14 June 2012 - 02:42 PM, said:

Other threads are reporting that they are increasing the amount of bleeds they generate with their multi-attacks by stacking Sigil of Earth on both weapons.  However, with a little testing I did as well I never saw them both proc at the same time.  It's completely possible that they have independent chances to proc, but can't proc at the same time giving it an 84% chance to proc that 5s base bleed.   It then becomes somewhat of a debatable choice.

It increases your average bleeds per strike from .93 to 1.17 which is about a 26% increase in 5s bleeding stacks.   It means Flurry generates 18.7 5s Bleeds and 16 2s Bleeds when it is fully charged on average.   This is actually too much bleed...  (With 100% Crit Rate, which is probably too high as well)   With a 50% (70% Fury) crit rate you are getting about 26 Bleeds on a Flurry with only one Sigil, and 29 with two.
They proc independently but when one does proc they both go on a 1 second cooldown.

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 07:21 PM

Are you sure it's a 1s cooldown?  Because that's an awful long time for some of the multi-attacks - such as Flurry or when using Quickness.

Edited by Ayestes, 14 June 2012 - 07:21 PM.






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