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#31 Scarlet_Blossom

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 02:13 PM

You really need to stop panicking.

#32 Quickfoot

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 02:16 PM

I am worried because either Nexon gets Pay2Win on the Gem Shop, to increase profit, or they just anticipated the price of the NCSoft to skyrocket with Guild Wars 2 possible sucess and they want to make some money by buying low, selling high. I hope it's the latter.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 02:21 PM

View PostLinfang, on 08 June 2012 - 02:09 PM, said:

If they are smart investors, they would leave GW2 untouched as it is, so it would continue it's huge profit and success unscathed

But every time I assume someone is smart, I often am proved wrong.

Nexon would probably make gw2 have less player, that are way more addicted and spend insane amounts of money all the time not to be considered a noob. They WILL do this, if they get a lot of influence on gw2.

Nexon really ****ed up maplestory... Had they not been 100% about money, maplestory would have been the most awesome game in existence.

Edited by SirGamesalot, 08 June 2012 - 02:22 PM.


#34 Milennin

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 02:21 PM

I played 1 Nexon game last year for 2 months. It was alright, considering it's a pretty small game. Most of the stuff in the cash shop seemed to cosmetics like outfits, but also a bunch of exp boosters and luck boosters to be used in crafting or upgrading gear. All of the stuff in cash shops could be bought from players with ingame money as well, so in a sense it was pretty similar to GW2's system...
The thing what killed the game for me was the immense grind. Luckily GW2 is anti-grind except for useless things like titles.

Edited by Milennin, 08 June 2012 - 02:23 PM.


#35 KQ

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 02:22 PM

If you're going to write more apocalyptic posts, then expect them to be deleted. Please roll the discussion in a constructive manner.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 02:23 PM

now i am beginning to feel the regreat of pre-purchasing creeping in ... good god! i shudders at the name " maple story"

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 02:24 PM

I never liked Nexon games. Then again, as long as they keep their hands to themselves I don't care.

View Postpumpkin pie, on 08 June 2012 - 02:23 PM, said:

now i am beginning to feel the regreat of pre-purchasing creeping in ... good god! i shudders at the name " maple story"

You can refund if you bought digital copy.

Edited by qweikeris, 08 June 2012 - 02:25 PM.


#38 Darkheron

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 02:29 PM

The only thing I would say is that a 15% investment is pretty standard for activist investors who think a company is undervalued and wish to push through board changes.  Not sure that is anything GW2 has to worry about directly, but could signal that Nexon will push for some change in leadership to change the direction of NCSoft as a whole.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 02:34 PM

View Poststyken, on 08 June 2012 - 01:46 PM, said:

lol. and here comes the apocalypse....you guys need relax, seriously!!
is only 15%

Atlantica Online, one of best F2P MMORPG isnt from Nexon? Vindictus isnt from Nexon too? the only problem with Nexon is cash shop but in GW2 with arenanet i will not worrie to much with that.
15% is only 15%

Atlantica is from nDoors. Nexon bought it and trashed it.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 02:38 PM

If Nexon is just interested in getting in on what they see as the future success of Guild Wars 2 and Blade and Soul, that's fine.  

But since they are in the same industry, it does warrant attention.   A hostile takeover could have a ripple effect that none of us want to see.   The sky isn't falling but this does warrant some watching.

Edited by Doctor Overlord, 08 June 2012 - 02:39 PM.


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Posted 08 June 2012 - 02:42 PM

As a long time maplestory player, this is really not good news :l of course nothing could happen, but if they decide to butt in, they are very experienced in making money out of the cash shop ._. I remember Maple's cash shop once got them 300 million dollars one year or something (before taxes and all that).

One thing they might do is putting a time limit on items from the cash shop, for example, some cash shop items like clothes from maple and other stuff would only last 90 days, then disappear, and most people would just re buy them.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 02:50 PM

View Poststyken, on 08 June 2012 - 01:46 PM, said:

lol. and here comes the apocalypse....you guys need relax, seriously!!
is only 15%

Atlantica Online, one of best F2P MMORPG isnt from Nexon? Vindictus isnt from Nexon too? the only problem with Nexon is cash shop but in GW2 with arenanet i will not worrie to much with that.
15% is only 15%

I bolded the important part.

The cash shop can really affect the game, and, more importantly, PvP. In LOTRO, PvP is pathetic and imbalanced. Whats more, I can buy store potions that last 1 minute, protecting me from slows, roots, fears, stuns, silences.. etc. Also, I can buy falling injury immunity so I don't need to worry about getting slowed when falling a distance. And more? Creeps (the other "faction") can buy ALL of their skills and traits.

My point is, the cash shop can f*** up the game's PvP and there could be P2W.

So hopefully, they don't touch GW2.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 02:50 PM

I once played real life.

I lost 60% of my progression

#44 Matsy

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 02:54 PM

The cash shop currently is already borderlining on acceptable or not, its not over yet, but its darn close.
Nexon better not butt in and push it over the edge.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 03:03 PM

I doubt that anet will be bullied into having ridiculous items in the cash shop, the great community of GW2 will not allow it plus I really don't see Mike O'Brien being bullied into doing something that will hurt the game in the long run, I see this as an opportunity for maybe more funding and grow.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 03:03 PM

View Postshanaeri rynale, on 08 June 2012 - 02:01 PM, said:

This far along, probably nothing and even if they could why would they? It's clear GW2 is going to be a smash hit and has got rave reviews right across the board. It'd be silly to change anything.

I'd totally buy that logic if I didn't have first hand experience of management altering the artistic vision of a product that was selling at max capacity.  Leaders sometimes get antsy when something is doing well and they don't have anything to do with it.  They like to get involved, and not killing the golden egg-laying goose doesn't occur to them.

View PostLinfang, on 08 June 2012 - 02:09 PM, said:

If they are smart investors, they would leave GW2 untouched as it is, so it would continue it's huge profit and success unscathed

But every time I assume someone is smart, I often am proved wrong.

Exactly.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 03:07 PM

View PostMatsy, on 08 June 2012 - 02:54 PM, said:

The cash shop currently is already borderlining on acceptable or not, its not over yet, but its darn close.
Nexon better not butt in and push it over the edge.

opinions. for me is far from be a P2W shop, in fact dont have have anything on shop that will give any advantage against other players.
the only thing could give a tiny advantantage is trade gems for gold to buy siege weapons but arenanet already say at high lvl is very very easy to make gold. for now no one know, no one can say trade gems for gold will give any advantange

Edited by styken, 08 June 2012 - 03:09 PM.


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Posted 08 June 2012 - 03:09 PM

View PostMatsy, on 08 June 2012 - 02:54 PM, said:

The cash shop currently is already borderlining on acceptable or not, its not over yet, but its darn close.
Nexon better not butt in and push it over the edge.

Pfft are you joking?

Cash shop is fine.  It's far from "pay 2 win" or whatever you want to call it.

#49 Zinn

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 03:10 PM

Maybe Nexon will give us a release date.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 03:11 PM

View PostTiki, on 08 June 2012 - 03:03 PM, said:

I doubt that anet will be bullied into having ridiculous items in the cash shop, the great community of GW2 will not allow it plus I really don't see Mike O'Brien being bullied into doing something that will hurt the game in the long run, I see this as an opportunity for maybe more funding and grow.

Do you have experience with MMORPGs that have a ridiculous cash shop?  They aren't really concerned about the community "allowing" anything.  These games can have quite a player turnover.  A generation of players comes in, sinks money into the game, realizes that they are spending more than they would on a subscription game, then leaves only to be replaced by new players.  This can go on quite a while, and the company makes a tidy profit the whole time.  I've seen it happen.  I've seen people join a game, defending it as not so P2W to the population that is on its way out.  Then, when you check in on the forums six months later, some of those same defenders are on their way out of the game, arguing with a new crop who are defending it.

As for Mike O'Brien, how much share does he own of ANet, and how much of NCSoft?  What obligations does he have to NCSoft for the funding they have provided?  Founder/Presidents of companies aren't immune to the whims of major stockholders.

Not that the OP makes me worried about doom for GW2 at all.  I'm just questioning some of the reasoning used to say this won't have an impact.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 03:13 PM

View PostDarkheron, on 08 June 2012 - 02:29 PM, said:

The only thing I would say is that a 15% investment is pretty standard for activist investors who think a company is undervalued and wish to push through board changes.  Not sure that is anything GW2 has to worry about directly, but could signal that Nexon will push for some change in leadership to change the direction of NCSoft as a whole.

Very accurate post here.

Nexon isn't doing this to make a quick buck by flipping stocks. NCsoft Corp currently trades at 268,000.00krw or 228.33 dollars a share. That amounts to a ~$735 million investment. Even if they expected NCSoft's stocks to skyrocket because of a single offering in GW2, you could conceivably still make that projected amount through a diversified portfolio with a greatly reduced level of risk. Not putting all your eggs in one basket is the saying I believe.

At 15% ownership, in any major corporation, you are considered a major shareholder. Also note that they are the largest shareholder now. So, anyone claiming "only 15%" should reassess their perception of corporate strategy. 15% is a big move in the corporate world. This is a vested interest and one that is usually only taken to alter corporate strategy and leadership. So, chances are they're there to stay.

I doubt this has anything to do directly with GW2, however, for any feeling a sense of consternation. At ~$735 million, they could have just made their own game with GW2's design and their preferred business model. This investment should have more to do with NCSoft's entire line of offerings. So, don't fret too much.

Edited by krogg, 08 June 2012 - 03:22 PM.


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Posted 08 June 2012 - 03:18 PM

View Postchase128, on 08 June 2012 - 03:09 PM, said:

Pfft are you joking?

Cash shop is fine.  It's far from "pay 2 win" or whatever you want to call it.

No i'm not joking.
Sure its not pay2win yet, but the game has been altered to revolve around the shop and things added to the shop to bybass the changes (armor, repairing, changed dye system etc)  The shop IS affecting the game not in a pay 2 win way like you must use the shop, but it is affecting the game in a negative way and all future updates will revolve around the shop in some fashion if they can get away with it.

Edited by Matsy, 08 June 2012 - 03:21 PM.


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Posted 08 June 2012 - 03:20 PM

I expect this to affect games like lineage 2 and aion but I'm pretty sure Anet wont let them make changes they want.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 03:20 PM

View PostZinn, on 08 June 2012 - 03:10 PM, said:

Maybe Nexon will give us a release date.

I thought the same thing.

When WE say it's ready. :)

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 03:23 PM

As big a fear as some people have over this it really isn't a bad thing. In all honesty it should be considered a good thing. Nexon clearly believes in GW2, they aren't buying out a dying game to turn it around and make a profit they are buying into a potential blockbuster. Even if GW2 is so successful that Nexon feels they need to buy out NCsoft they aren't just going to make major changes to the product that made NCsoft worth buying out in the first place. That would not be a sound financial decision on their part and they KNOW that. If they didn't know that already they wouldn't have bought what they already have.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 03:26 PM

View PostN0rdicNinja, on 08 June 2012 - 02:00 PM, said:

NCSoft is funding ArenaNet, without that money GW2 cannot be made. Whoever controls NCSoft controls ArenaNets, it's not uncommon for the people in control of the money to force a developer to make changes, happens all the time. Up until now NCSoft has been pretty hands off and let ANet do its thing. People are worried this could change if Nexon decides they want in on the action.

Not quite. NCSoft actually *owns* ArenaNet outright, not just acting (via a contract) as their publisher.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 03:40 PM

As a MMO gamer who has played many of Nexon's games, a mabinogi player since Season2, and a vindictus player since early access beta I know what nexon is capable of. Frankly speaking I don't like the fact that Nexon has bought large shares in the company, but the thing is with the way Anet team loves this game and the reasons behind making it I think it'd be a cold day in hell when they let their game become pay2win.

The current cash shop is NOT pay2win, if you think it is you clearly haven't played many F2P mmos. So they give experience boosts karma boosts, so you can buy and sell the currency, so what? Eve Online allowed you to buy plex cards for real money and sell them for in-game money, did that make it pay2win? NO because Eve's "World" pvp is about the group not the 1, the same goes for WvWvW in GW2, even more so because its based with more emphasis around player skill than it is about gear. Cash shop literally has no effect on normal BGs and as for ranked  BGs I can't comment on that since there is honestly not enough information about them yet.

Worried about PVE? Why? this game is centered around the fact that the game IS the end-game, the leveling process is the best damned leveling experience in any mmo to date. If you are rushing to get to "end-game" with experience, karma, etc. then you are doing it wrong. Besides why should it matter in PVE, I never got that...

I support the cash shop as it brings the devs more money for expansions, updates, maintenance, etc. Honestly what do you think would happen to this game if it didn't include the cash shop? It can't run on money from game purchases forever and its not as simple as just releasing expansions faster. This is how they fill the gaps people, don't like it? Find another game, can't say I'll miss you :/

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 03:45 PM

I'm pretty sure NCSoft sold only 15% on purpose. They don't seem like a greedy editor I mean sure they are here for money, but I'm pretty sure they wouldn't sell enough shares to lose control.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 03:52 PM

Nexon is really bad company; it more like EA style. Make lot of money but gives horrible service to customers like very slow to fix major bugs.

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Posted 08 June 2012 - 03:53 PM

View PostElaithe, on 08 June 2012 - 03:23 PM, said:

As big a fear as some people have over this it really isn't a bad thing. In all honesty it should be considered a good thing. Nexon clearly believes in GW2, they aren't buying out a dying game to turn it around and make a profit they are buying into a potential blockbuster. Even if GW2 is so successful that Nexon feels they need to buy out NCsoft they aren't just going to make major changes to the product that made NCsoft worth buying out in the first place. That would not be a sound financial decision on their part and they KNOW that. If they didn't know that already they wouldn't have bought what they already have.

Again, I doubt GW2 is the sole reason or even the main reason why Nexon made such a huge move. Why spend roughly $735 million to own 15% of a AAA title when that is more than enough funds to create a AAA title of your own with your preferred business model.

Corporations only make big investments like this when:

1. They believe the company is undervalued and can enact a change in strategy or leadership within the company to raise it's stock price. Which I doubt since NCSoft Corp already trades for 268,000 Korean won.

2. The company wants to move into a profitable niche within the industry a lot quicker than doing a total overhaul of its own product offerings. Which may also cause alienation of their current customer base. Which I doubt since Nexon and NCSoft already seem to occupy the same space in free to play MMO models.

3. The corporation realizes that their own niche within the industry is separating into two seperate niches and want to seize control of both niches early to maintain overall market share. This is what I think is the most probable cause. I think we are starting to see the free to play space seperate into two distinct types. One where people don't mind the pay to win model as offered by Nexon and one that has a more egalitarian approach to game design where cash purchases do not affect a player's ability to compete in the game. Both serve a section of the market and having control over both keeps Nexon in an undiminished position within the industry as a whole.

TL;DR: GW2's cash shop is probably not going to be affected.

Edit: my numbers were off. $685 million investment. But still a more than enough for the development cost of a AAA title.

Edited by krogg, 08 June 2012 - 04:17 PM.





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