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#1 nekura

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 04:34 AM

So... Black Powder & Cluster Shot (blast) is 15s per application. I can get 3 off before the field dissipates, and 4 with Haste.

You can keep doing it while in stealth if you want to get perma stealth. I'm assuming this is not intended, but it's fun for now. I have videos I can put up, but you should just play with it yourself. It's a lot of fun with the 33% speed buff.

#2 On_Slaught

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 08:41 AM

One step closer to Anet just caving and giving us perma stealth hopefully :)

#3 enzone

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 08:50 AM

View Postnekura, on 09 June 2012 - 04:34 AM, said:

So... Black Powder & Cluster Shot (blast) is 15s per application. I can get 3 off before the field dissipates, and 4 with Haste.

You can keep doing it while in stealth if you want to get perma stealth. I'm assuming this is not intended, but it's fun for now. I have videos I can put up, but you should just play with it yourself. It's a lot of fun with the 33% speed buff.

And what about the leap stealth, did they changed its duration too?

#4 nekura

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 09:00 AM

View Postenzone, on 09 June 2012 - 08:50 AM, said:

And what about the leap stealth, did they changed its duration too?

same.

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 11:58 AM

View Postnekura, on 09 June 2012 - 04:34 AM, said:

So... Black Powder & Cluster Shot (blast) is 15s per application. I can get 3 off before the field dissipates, and 4 with Haste.

You can keep doing it while in stealth if you want to get perma stealth. I'm assuming this is not intended, but it's fun for now. I have videos I can put up, but you should just play with it yourself. It's a lot of fun with the 33% speed buff.

can you explain better as i wanna try out a heavy stealth build...black powder doesnt stealth me (blindng powder?), and ur referring to the shortbow cluster bomb right spam?

Edited by wohast, 09 June 2012 - 12:22 PM.


#6 stabbystabstab

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 01:14 PM

Use black powder, switch to short bow and cast cluster bomb on yourself...profit

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 06:42 PM

View Poststabbystabstab, on 09 June 2012 - 01:14 PM, said:

Use black powder, switch to short bow and cast cluster bomb on yourself...profit

black powder doesnt put me in stealth

#8 On_Slaught

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Posted 09 June 2012 - 07:12 PM

Black power creates a smoke field. If you use a leap finisher (heartseaker) or a blast finisher (cluster bomb) it puts the player in stealth.

Edit: Just got a chance to try this in game. Really fun to use and I imagine is even more fun in PvE. However it will be nerfed. Thing is I don't know how you nerf it without gimping an ability. They probably don't want to change any combo fields. I can't see them increasing the init. costs anymore either on these abilities (it wouldn't stop this from happening anyways).

I was surprised to see how long the stealth from the combo field lasts. In PvP, with stealth traits, this is obviously game-breaking but dunno how to fix it fairly.

My guess: they will get rid of the combo field from black powder :(

Edited by On_Slaught, 09 June 2012 - 07:29 PM.


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Posted 09 June 2012 - 09:14 PM

Fun to use with a tournament team. Entire team had 45 seconds of stealth at start of battle! :D

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 05:52 AM

They should just remove or alter the blast from shortbow #2. Problem is it's 4 blasts not one, that's why you get so much stealth time. If any of the other blast combos are ever worth using, this will be abused considering how cheap initiative the skill is.

Also the trait "gain 2 initative when you use a stealth skill" seems to actually be "gain 2 initiative when stealth is added to you" so it becomes an initiative engine. In addition to the stealth traits, there's also "allies gain 2 seconds of protection when stealthed", again this builds up extremely fast with all the blast spam.

Edited by FoxBat, 10 June 2012 - 05:54 AM.


#11 GuanglaiKangyi

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Posted 10 June 2012 - 07:39 AM



This trait is broke as hell.

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Posted 12 June 2012 - 11:53 PM

View PostOn_Slaught, on 09 June 2012 - 07:12 PM, said:

Black power creates a smoke field. If you use a leap finisher (heartseaker) or a blast finisher (cluster bomb) it puts the player in stealth.

Edit: Just got a chance to try this in game. Really fun to use and I imagine is even more fun in PvE. However it will be nerfed. Thing is I don't know how you nerf it without gimping an ability. They probably don't want to change any combo fields. I can't see them increasing the init. costs anymore either on these abilities (it wouldn't stop this from happening anyways).

I was surprised to see how long the stealth from the combo field lasts. In PvP, with stealth traits, this is obviously game-breaking but dunno how to fix it fairly.

My guess: they will get rid of the combo field from black powder :(

Uhm I would say they could just make it so stealth doesn't stack but that may affect a few other aspects of the game. As for perma stealth I think a 10-15 second out of combat stealth that's on a 60 second cooldown would be really nice and make thieves feel more like a shadowy character.

#13 nekura

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Posted 13 June 2012 - 12:46 AM

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Yes, we actually found this bug about 4 days ago, but were not able to address it before ship. It is in our bug database so don’t worry.
And no we are not NERFING Engies :P, just this aspect, but I know overall Engineers need help.
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This was from the Engineer boards. It sounds like they are going to allow for one 15second AE stealth, but not stacking in duration. I was able to stack stealth duration in the first BWE1, so I don't know why they are just finding this now.

Edited by nekura, 13 June 2012 - 12:46 AM.





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