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#31 Gileas898

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 02:14 PM

Play through the campaigns (takes a few days). After that start playing Alliance Battles / Fort Aspenwood and turn in the faction you gain for Imperial faction. You can easily make 3 Zaishen Keys an hour which is like 15,000g. Say you play 4 hours a week thats 60,000g x 7 until GW2 comes out = 420k. 420k can net you a ton of HoM points, and you gained it all by doing PvP which is actually quite fun.

If you don't mind grinding and enjoy playing with other players I suggest you look up one of these;

http://www.gwpvx.com...FoW_Manly_Spike (Easy)

http://www.gwpvx.com...am_-_SoO_Snoway (Medium)

http://www.gwpvx.com...m_-_UW_Terraway (Hard)

EDIT: Bad math lol

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 02:29 PM

View PostSinte, on 29 June 2012 - 02:13 PM, said:

Yup :lol:  Steam for the win.


*** Trilogy of course doesn't include EoTN so the total is $50. But still, much cheaper. They also have them separately for sale at $30 each, but when you can buy 3 for 30, why would you buy each for 30

Actually the NCsoft store also offers the trilogy at 29.99, but not on the official GW website. How pathetic´╝ü

Now I've bought full GW1 and am going to try and get as many HoM points as I could before 25 August.

Anet better not disappoint me with the final GW2.

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 02:51 PM

i had only the first 4 points last autumn when i found out about the HoM and had all the campaigns and expan. I went through the guide and HoM Calculator a few god hours doing the maths for the easiest way to get to the 30 points and after 1 and ahalf month playing like 3 hours a day 6/7 days more time spent on shouting in the cities fro WTB and WTS i got the 30 items.
I went for the first tab: 13 common minis 5 uncommon (all from bday) 2 rare (from years of the X events) and 1 black moa chick (1+1+1+2p)
Second tab: 9 heroes with the cheapest armor for them and the black moa pet for any pet and rare pet statue (counts for both) (1+1+1+2+1p)
Third tab: Eternal Prot of Cantha, Eternal Hero of Cantha, Elona, Tyria (u get these 3 fast) and Eter Conqueror of Sorrows Furnace (it was fun and easier than another Protector title)(3p for linked account+2 for any statue+3p 5 statues)
Forth tab(Resilience): Elite Luxon Armor, Ancient Armor, Primeval Armor, Asuran, Monument, Granite Citadel Elite and Granite Citadel Exclusive Armors (1p any armor+ 1p 3 armors+2p 5 armors+1p 7 armors+1p kurz/luxon armor)
Fifth tab (valor): 3 oppressor weapons by doing the quest lines a few times (check wiki) bought one tormented shield and one destroyer weapon (both the cheapest you can find) (1p any weap + 1p 5 weps + 1p*3 for the 3 types of weapons oppressor, tormented and destroyer)

I never had to waste my time in pvp cus u have to work really hard there and i'm more of a pve player :D

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 03:03 PM

now I'm stuck on the download page... 70kb/s ftw... (I dled gw2 with 1mb+/s, maybe they moved gw servers to gw2).

I've chosen warrior but I'd like to know which is the easiest class for HoM?

Really appreciate you guys' help.

Edited by Hypo, 29 June 2012 - 03:04 PM.


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Posted 29 June 2012 - 03:20 PM

My biggest piece of advice would be buy all the campaigns and ALL the Skill Unlocks and mercenary hero slots (7 if you can manage).   These cash shop options are meant for convenience and time-savers.   You can unlock all the skills and heroes by playing the game but if you want to save time (and with just two months I think that should be a goal) then spend the money if you can.   Warning - it is a good chunk of money, over $100.  

These will, however, allow you quick access to all of the skills in the game and create a squad of merc heroes which will allow you to use the optimized team builds found on PvX Wiki. You will get through content MUCH more quickly with those builds.  

There are clearly two opinions in this post.   One side claims HoM's are 'easy' and the other says it is a tedious grind.

Anyone saying getting 30 HoM's is not accurately portraying the effort. Here is a repost from some previous comments I have made because I am really tired of people misrepresenting the HoM.

There are two months left. Beyond the initial 5 HoM points you need to complete large chunks of the GW1 campaigns in order to get up to 30. You don't just need to buy GW1, you'll need to buy EotN (at least) as well as Nightfall and Factions.

I'll be getting to 27 with the help of a veteran player (Thanks Aaron!) who helped me with the last 7 but getting to 20 HoMs on my own was NOT an easy effort.  I ended up buying Heroes and Skill Unlocks, which I was happy to do to support ArenaNet, but I'm certain I couldn't have gotten those HoMs without those purchases because I jumped back into the game after quitting a long while ago.

If someone was a truly hardcore gamer they might be able to complete all the campaigns and hit 30 or more in the two months left before GW2 is released but the article portrays HoMs as something simple which anyone new to GW1 can easily obtain and that is just plain wrong.  I shudder to think how steep a two month learning curve would be for someone to simply become familiar with the GW1 basics like skills, builds, professions, heroes, runes, insignias and countless other mechanics.

GW1 vets might regard HoMs as simple or easy to obtain but they forget they've been playing GW1 for years. And I think that is the point to HoM rewards. The are meant to reward people who have been dedicated to the game for all those years. People who want to jump in late will have to pay a steeper price (figuratively and literally). And that's fair, I have not been a dedicated GW1 player, I quit years ago and only came back after GW2 was announced. And that's why I have far different perspective on what it takes to get the HoMs.

Go for the HoM if you really want the rewards, but if you're new to GW1 or coming back after years of absence, then get ready for a tedious climb.

tl:dr - HoMs are meant to take considerable effort since they are meant to be rewards for people who have been playing for years.  They are not simple to get and don't believe anyone saying they are.

Edited by Doctor Overlord, 29 June 2012 - 03:27 PM.


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Posted 29 June 2012 - 03:38 PM

View PostHypo, on 29 June 2012 - 03:03 PM, said:

now I'm stuck on the download page... 70kb/s ftw... (I dled gw2 with 1mb+/s, maybe they moved gw servers to gw2).

I've chosen warrior but I'd like to know which is the easiest class for HoM?

Really appreciate you guys' help.

Warrior is pretty good to play. The easy to learn, hard to master class.=p
Don't bother looking into your secondary profession (which you can freely change later in the game, so don't worry about the choice) until you learned to play your main profession well.
And remember Guild Wars 1 is nothing like Guild Wars 2. :D

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 03:46 PM

View PostHypo, on 29 June 2012 - 03:03 PM, said:

now I'm stuck on the download page... 70kb/s ftw... (I dled gw2 with 1mb+/s, maybe they moved gw servers to gw2).

I've chosen warrior but I'd like to know which is the easiest class for HoM?

Really appreciate you guys' help.

You will have tons of "Benny Hill show" moments with a warrior.. You see, in GW1 the aggro is not like in WoW that all balls on the one angering them the most. It changes constantly, so mobs change targets constantly as well (unless you ball them up ofc) leading to the "gonna reach you" running.
If I were you, I would start a necromancer or a ritualist: the necromancer has quite a few viable builds on itself, but with a ritualist secondary (or just as a ritualist) there is a very powerful spirit build (named SoS after the elite used in it which is Signet of Spirits) which makes content easy and fast.

Not even mentioning the fact that in PvP, they are kinda useless as they can be kited soo easily.. (at least, FA/JQ/AB) ranged characters are much better. Of course take it with a grain of salt as I play a ranger primarily. (and kiting any melee easily)

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 04:01 PM

View PostDoctor Overlord, on 29 June 2012 - 03:20 PM, said:

My biggest piece of advice would be buy all the campaigns and ALL the Skill Unlocks and mercenary hero slots (7 if you can manage).   These cash shop options are meant for convenience and time-savers.   You can unlock all the skills and heroes by playing the game but if you want to save time (and with just two months I think that should be a goal) then spend the money if you can.   Warning - it is a good chunk of money, over $100.  

That is a really horrible advice. You don't need either AND you shouldn't get them. Its pretty much called a big waste of money. The mercenary pack for sho is.

The best advice is getting all 3+expac and follow the guides available online. And make no mistake, getting 30 points is not easy by any stretch and I think you are better off starting in nightfall to have easier access to heroes.

Edited by Specialz, 29 June 2012 - 04:02 PM.


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Posted 29 June 2012 - 05:50 PM

View Postburpyierz, on 29 June 2012 - 12:33 PM, said:

how many points can i get with only the first GW (Prophecies)?

You can get 30 with any campaign + EoTN, but if you want to go for 50 you need all the expansions.
It is lot harder though, having only one campaing.
Oh and one helpfull thing, its really easy to get into the guild and just get people to help you, there will be several players recruiting members to their own guild (and they propably have more than +50 members). So play with ears and eyes open and just have fun, you'll finish the campaigns in no time and its also fun 'cause of the lore being so interesting!
Have fun playing everyone!

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 05:57 PM

My 2 cents, from a 50/50+gwamm.  Getting 30 in 2 months is possible but you will have to be pretty active and efficient.

If you plan on doing any solo farming, I highly suggest playing a ritualist.  I did all my hom/gwamm as a ranger, so it's not vital, but spirit spammer builds are easy to run and effective for farming if you go that route.  I also did almost every single statue and gwamm title solo and guildless, so don't feel like you need a guild (though they can be helpful if you find a good one).

Roll in nightfall or factions for faster level 20 and area unlocks.  Do Nightfall/EotN asap for hero unlocks.  Prophecies is slowest by far.

If you are playing mostly solo, get the proper heroes asap and run this build: http://www.gwpvx.com..._Player_Support.  It can solo about 95% of the game, including hard mode, while you just afk and watch tv.  There are ways to tweak it better, but if you're in a rush the default template works just fine.  2 hero rits take the longest to unlock, so if you do roll a rit you have an advantage in being able to run one of them right away.

Follow this guide for the fastest 30/50: http://www.guildwars...-t10454314.html.  The first 15-20 points are relatively fast and easy if you know what to do.  You can get most of that just playing through the campaigns.  20-30 will take some effort.

If you have spare time or need money, do zaishen dailies: http://wiki.guildwar...aily_activities.  You need to unlock hard mode (aka beat the campaigns) to do vanquishes and get the most from the missions.  Sell the silver coins for good income.  Back when I played they went for about 2k each, but that might not be accurate anymore.  Most people sell them in gtob (temple of baalthazar).  Also look out for days when the zaishen bounty is urgoz's warren or the deep.  Very easy to get a group on those days, and each one is a statue in an hour or two.

If you like pvp, you can farm for zkeys.  I am not sure that this is most efficient though.

Alternatively, just play the game for fun and get as much out of the lore as you can in the next 2 months.  Start in prophecies and enjoy the campaign stories in the order they were released.  You'll definitely get a lot out of gw2 by just being familiar with gw1 locations and lore.

30/50 is not the grind that 50/50 is, but it also does take some work.  If you don't want to stress over it, just enjoy the game and get what you can from regular play.

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 07:15 PM

Follow nettles advice that is spot on.

I have been playing GW since launch off and on. Had all the campaigns and beat them before the HoM was linked to GW2. I had 11 points I think but I was never an active collector. 1-15 is pretty simple 16-20 just needs a small bit of farming for cash. 20-30 took actual planning and figuring out when and where to do certain tasks. At 26 I got stumped and had to farm Glints Challenge with an AFK hero group (funny enough almost the exact that Nettle posted) to be able to buy the rest of the items.

You will be best served by going through all campaigns then doing the War in Kryta beyond events. This will give you an easy HoM weapon and possibly 2 if you farm some of the Assassinate missions.

It wont be easy to get to 30 but if you find an item lower that you MUST have make that the first step then if you are not burnt out carry on to the next step.

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 07:55 PM

View PostHypo, on 29 June 2012 - 11:02 AM, said:

So I haven't played GW1 and I want to get 30 HoM points for GW2. Could you kind gurus please tell me which chapters of GW1 I need to buy and how to get 30 points with the least effort? And also how much time should I expect to spend doing this?

P.S. It'd be awesome if someone can help me out a little in game.
Buy them all. It's not that much anymore. You'll also need EotN in order to actually gain access to the Hall of Monuments. You can expect to spend anywhere from 1-3 weeks getting 30/50 in your HoM depending on how much help you get from friends or guildmates.

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 08:05 PM

Nightfall.
Hero armors are pretty easy, sunspear and lightbringer even more so. Stay away from factions... it's mostly pvp based and maxing luxon or kurzick titles is pretty insane in comparison. I've done it... but I had to work pretty damn hard on it.

If your willing to play the market, sweet tooth, zkeys, and unbound tormented weapons are kind of easy. easy... but boring. You will be standing in town trading all day - not fun imo. I didn't bother with those titles but the sweet tooth especially could be done quick. It's cheap, and there is no time limit between snacks.
Drunkard not so much, since you have to actually wait for a while before drinking again, though you could do it while waiting around and trading as well I suppose. Still gotta be pretty darn boring.
Party animal, like sweet tooth would be cheap and easy as well.

I'm not recommending those options though. Instead I would just invest in all of the expansions and work mostly on nightfall and EOTN. Those are pretty easy to max quite a few titles.

Legendary Guardian is a great one to get.

Edited by 98percentcute, 29 June 2012 - 08:13 PM.


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Posted 30 June 2012 - 07:27 AM

It's a grind unless you buy gold. The armors and weapons can be ridiculously expensive. Don't let anyone fool you by saying they did it quick -- they most likely played the market or did speed clears and farming to just buy their way into HoM points.

In other words, you're a bit late if you want 30/50 before GW2 launches. Even then, consider the profession you will be playing. The 30/50  is mostly if you'll roll a ranger and want the vanity pets. You could be wasting a lot of time grinding for items you won't use.

15 points is fairly doable and will net you a decent selection. After you get to 20 the grind picks up a lot. Going beyond 30 is pure grind. There is nothing fun about doing Vanquish or farming titles or keys.

I'm happy from having gotten my 30/50 a year ago.. It took a LOT of effort to do it in a speedy manner since GW1 is just too outdated a game to be fun. It's got really dated mechanics that didn't age particularly well.

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 07:36 AM

This was the way i took. Proved to be quite easy to get. Hardest part were the Hero Armors and The weapons:

http://hom.guildwars...AAAAYIEIQAAAAAA

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 07:50 AM

1) Only buy them if you think you'll enjoy them. Don't do them just for the HoM points.

2) Find some online guides for the HoM, have someone explain the best way to rack up some quick points.

3) Getting all 30 before release will be hard. Getting 10-20 however will be easy.

4) Try and get someone to power level you a bit. If you buy a mini, you've already got a point. If you get someone to give you the black moa pet, that gives you 2 points already (one for a rare pet, one for any pet). There are a lot of things an experienced player could help you get. Like five points in the Fellowship monument within half an hour.

View PostBabe, on 30 June 2012 - 07:27 AM, said:

I'm happy from having gotten my 30/50 a year ago.. It took a LOT of effort to do it in a speedy manner since GW1 is just too outdated a game to be fun. It's got really dated mechanics that didn't age particularly well.

That's the funny thing really, it's not supposed to be done quickly. It was meant to be a reward for people who have played GW 1 for years and supported Arenanet. For these people, getting points was easy. Anyone who's played GW 1 on and off for  2-3 years will probably have enough points to get to 30. True, getting above that is a bit harder, but that was good design. It meant that the 35+ titles were reserved for people who invested an amount of their time into it. They didn't add more items because for the people willing to do the effort, the title was more a recognition of their hard work. And they didn't want to tempt people into grinding for the title.

Edited by Arioch, 30 June 2012 - 07:57 AM.


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Posted 30 June 2012 - 11:25 AM

Those that are saying that getting 30/50 is easy, and that you can get some by "just playing through the campaigns" are incorrect.

A new player will have a very difficult time getting bonuses and masters rewards.
You can't get those by "just playing through" the game. And doing them in Hard Mode is even worse.
And many titles are very expensive to new players, 15k armors and Hero Armors.

The only way you can do it in 200 hours is by either having lots of help if you're a new player, or being an old player that is returning and isn't starting from scratch.

Edited by Sans, 30 June 2012 - 11:25 AM.


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Posted 30 June 2012 - 11:31 AM

View PostSpecialz, on 29 June 2012 - 04:01 PM, said:

That is a really horrible advice. You don't need either AND you shouldn't get them. Its pretty much called a big waste of money. The mercenary pack for sho is.

The best advice is getting all 3+expac and follow the guides available online. And make no mistake, getting 30 points is not easy by any stretch and I think you are better off starting in nightfall to have easier access to heroes.

To be honest, it could be worth it. It's hard getting into the game when people already are hard to party with, and you start out with heroes/henchies that have skills/builds that suck. At least having the skills unlocked will give him better options to save time instead of trying to get situated with that in the first place. The merc pack I would still avoid though.

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 06:08 PM

You'll be hard pressed to get to 30 in 2 months... by the end of it you'll be SICK of GW lol, good luck to you:)

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 06:21 PM

I need 5 more for 30/50

http://hom.guildwars...AAAAVEEAQAAAAAA

Ran out of money....q_q

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 07:22 PM

View PostMatsy, on 30 June 2012 - 06:21 PM, said:

I need 5 more for 30/50
You have not done the Black Moa Chick scavenger hunt, which will net you a unique mini.  +1
Sweep through the Fissure, Sorrow's Furnace, the Deep, and Urgoz's Warren, then do Tyria/Elonian Protector.  +1
Play through the Nightfall challenge missions to gather armor pieces, extremely easy to do.  +2
Max Lightbringer and Sunspear via the sulfur run, get the other protector title, and max whichever EotN reputations are highest.  +1

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Posted 01 July 2012 - 01:32 AM

View PostMatsy, on 30 June 2012 - 06:21 PM, said:

I need 5 more for 30/50

http://hom.guildwars...AAAAVEEAQAAAAAA

Ran out of money....q_q
3 words AFK glints challenge using 7 discord way. To get brotherhood. And if you wanted to use that same 7 discordway Dajha inlet it works to. 7 discordway works for 80% of the content needed to get you to 30, that is how I got to 30. After you gear up your heroes you can start farming glints while you do other stuff for gold to buy minipets and other things you need to get to 30. in 3 hours i made 40k i believe and i was afk for most of those 3 hours only returning to pick up my loot every 17 minutes.

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Posted 01 July 2012 - 01:34 AM

Honestly getting 30 points is easy, I got it and I wasnt even trying to just by passing time pveing and pvping.

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Posted 01 July 2012 - 02:34 AM

View PostSpecialz, on 29 June 2012 - 04:01 PM, said:

That is a really horrible advice. You don't need either AND you shouldn't get them. Its pretty much called a big waste of money. The mercenary pack for sho is.

The best advice is getting all 3+expac and follow the guides available online. And make no mistake, getting 30 points is not easy by any stretch and I think you are better off starting in nightfall to have easier access to heroes.

View Postturbo234, on 30 June 2012 - 11:31 AM, said:

To be honest, it could be worth it. It's hard getting into the game when people already are hard to party with, and you start out with heroes/henchies that have skills/builds that suck. At least having the skills unlocked will give him better options to save time instead of trying to get situated with that in the first place. The merc pack I would still avoid though.
And here we have the essence of the problem.   One person disagrees completely with my advice while another agrees with it.

The real problem is both people bring up good points. This shows one of the biggest problems with GW1 IMO - there's no consistency in the advice from the community. I suppose every video game has this to some degree but I have never seen the vast canyon-like gaps that exist between opinions when it comes to GW1.

Heck, just try to read any thread where someone asks for advice about a character build over on GW1Guru. You'll have people saying it works great and others saying its garbage and both providing equal amounts of proof.  

This thread is the same way.   I continue to shake my head at people saying that getting 30 HoMs are easy and while part of me thinks they are trolling based on my personal experience, another part can't help thinking they're being perfectly honest about their view of it.

How the heck is that possible?  If a single player game is overly easy or overly hard, the community generally comes to some agreement over it.   With GW1 there is seldom any kind of agreement.

Maybe it has to do with the complexity of MMOs (Yes, GW1 wasn't really an MMO but it had the trappings and mechanics of one). Maybe there really isn't any way for the community to come to an agreement over systems as complex as you find in MMOs.

Which would be fine except that ArenaNet relied on the *community* to provide the great bulk of information of how to play the game.   GW1 does a terrible job explaining itself and you need to rely on the wikis and forums to really learn the important parts.  

Just to stay on topic, I think the one piece of advice everyone can agree upon would be to readas much as you can about the game.   Bookmark the GW1 Wiki and join GW1 forums.   You will need them.  

You just have to cross your fingers that the particular opinions you come across will match your particular experience.

Edited by Doctor Overlord, 01 July 2012 - 02:36 AM.


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Posted 01 July 2012 - 05:52 AM

View PostArioch, on 30 June 2012 - 07:50 AM, said:

1) Only buy them if you think you'll enjoy them. Don't do them just for the HoM points.

2) Find some online guides for the HoM, have someone explain the best way to rack up some quick points.

3) Getting all 30 before release will be hard. Getting 10-20 however will be easy.

4) Try and get someone to power level you a bit. If you buy a mini, you've already got a point. If you get someone to give you the black moa pet, that gives you 2 points already (one for a rare pet, one for any pet). There are a lot of things an experienced player could help you get. Like five points in the Fellowship monument within half an hour.



That's the funny thing really, it's not supposed to be done quickly. It was meant to be a reward for people who have played GW 1 for years and supported Arenanet. For these people, getting points was easy. Anyone who's played GW 1 on and off for  2-3 years will probably have enough points to get to 30. True, getting above that is a bit harder, but that was good design. It meant that the 35+ titles were reserved for people who invested an amount of their time into it. They didn't add more items because for the people willing to do the effort, the title was more a recognition of their hard work. And they didn't want to tempt people into grinding for the title.

It doesn't matter what it was meant for.

If you played any of the BWE's, you'll know that armor skins and variation even by lv35 aren't thjat varied, especially weapon skins. Those HoM's will give you pleasing weapon skins whereas I can count on my lv36 mesmer about 2-3 different weapon skins per weapon, basic skin included. I didn't get any particularly good looking pistols or scepter or focus skins, however (in all those many hours of play).

The HoM, if you saw the screenshot of the renders (in a thread on Tyrian Assembly) will give you some pretty cool, non-drab skins for your weapons without needing to farm explorable modes.

Edited by Babe, 01 July 2012 - 05:56 AM.


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Posted 01 July 2012 - 06:00 AM

View PostDoki20, on 29 June 2012 - 03:46 PM, said:

You will have tons of "Benny Hill show" moments with a warrior.. You see, in GW1 the aggro is not like in WoW that all balls on the one angering them the most. It changes constantly, so mobs change targets constantly as well (unless you ball them up ofc) leading to the "gonna reach you" running.
If I were you, I would start a necromancer or a ritualist: the necromancer has quite a few viable builds on itself, but with a ritualist secondary (or just as a ritualist) there is a very powerful spirit build (named SoS after the elite used in it which is Signet of Spirits) which makes content easy and fast.

Not even mentioning the fact that in PvP, they are kinda useless as they can be kited soo easily.. (at least, FA/JQ/AB) ranged characters are much better. Of course take it with a grain of salt as I play a ranger primarily. (and kiting any melee easily)

This poster probably didn't play much high end PvP if he thinks warriors were useless in GW1 PvP, grain of salt indeed.

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Posted 01 July 2012 - 06:04 AM

View PostCruxisinhibitor, on 01 July 2012 - 06:00 AM, said:

This poster probably didn't play much high end PvP if he thinks warriors were useless in GW1 PvP, grain of salt indeed.

Seems like you didn't even read my post as I said this:

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Not even mentioning the fact that in PvP, they are kinda useless as they can be kited soo easily.. (at least, FA/JQ/AB) ranged characters are much better. Of course take it with a grain of salt as I play a ranger primarily. (and kiting any melee easily)

I didn't even mention HA or GvG so... Also, I doubt that players who just want to rush to 30 HoM points would actually give a damn about any of the latter 2 formats to begin with.

Edited by Doki20, 01 July 2012 - 06:06 AM.


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Posted 01 July 2012 - 09:25 AM

View PostBabe, on 01 July 2012 - 05:52 AM, said:

It doesn't matter what it was meant for.

If you played any of the BWE's, you'll know that armor skins and variation even by lv35 aren't thjat varied, especially weapon skins. Those HoM's will give you pleasing weapon skins whereas I can count on my lv36 mesmer about 2-3 different weapon skins per weapon, basic skin included. I didn't get any particularly good looking pistols or scepter or focus skins, however (in all those many hours of play).

The HoM, if you saw the screenshot of the renders (in a thread on Tyrian Assembly) will give you some pretty cool, non-drab skins for your weapons without needing to farm explorable modes.

Well, I admit that the Hall of Monument rewards are very very nice. Assuming that you're right that the retail game lacks skins, the problem is with the retail game and not the HoM. Have you tried crafting btw? And Karma vendors? Perhaps they would have given you more skins.

Anyway, my explanation of the HoM is for newcomers, to understand why it takes so much grinding and such for them to gain points. It was designed for existing players. For people who have played 1-2 years it's not that much of a grind. You gain at least 15 points just by doing what you were doing anyway.

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Posted 01 July 2012 - 04:35 PM

View PostArioch, on 01 July 2012 - 09:25 AM, said:

Well, I admit that the Hall of Monument rewards are very very nice. Assuming that you're right that the retail game lacks skins, the problem is with the retail game and not the HoM. Have you tried crafting btw? And Karma vendors? Perhaps they would have given you more skins.

Anyway, my explanation of the HoM is for newcomers, to understand why it takes so much grinding and such for them to gain points. It was designed for existing players. For people who have played 1-2 years it's not that much of a grind. You gain at least 15 points just by doing what you were doing anyway.

I pretty much got most of my gear from karma vendors. Most reliable source for gearing up. Crafting didn't produce unique skins until the 40's+ of item levels.

I think they want to save skins for the later game.

Edited by Babe, 01 July 2012 - 04:36 PM.


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Posted 01 July 2012 - 06:01 PM

View PostDoctor Overlord, on 01 July 2012 - 02:34 AM, said:

This thread is the same way.   I continue to shake my head at people saying that getting 30 HoMs are easy and while part of me thinks they are trolling based on my personal experience, another part can't help thinking they're being perfectly honest about their view of it.
I think it largely comes down to how you play the game, how much time you have to spend on the game, and how much you've read into the ins and outs of Guild Wars.

Victory in PvE is decided in GW1 based mostly upon whether or not you're prepared for a situation.  A bad party will struggle through the most basic of content, while an optimized team can defeat 95% of the game without the player doing anything more than pressing finding the next target then going AFK.  But setting up that team requires knowing the right builds, acquiring the right heroes, and unlocking the right skills.  That information is not something a new player will easily discover unless they read up on the ins and outs of the game via fan sites.

It also comes down to knowing about where to go, what to do, what rewards are easily obtained, the best ways to gather reputation, the best ways to acquire certain materials or reward tokens, and all the other little details that turn the Hall of Monuments from months of labor into a few weeks of play.

And finally, there's time.  If you have time on your hands to play for a few hours each day, plus some time to read over the textbooks of How To Guild Wars material there is to know, then gathering 30 points will be reasonably easy.  If time is not on your side, it will be far more difficult to fill that meter.

The different perspectives result in different opinions regarding the true difficulty of 30/50 points.





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