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[Warmaster Bacon]

The big problem now with hom, is how much money you need now just to fill it. Mini pets doubled/tripled in price, destroyer weapons once went for 25k ea, now they shot up to 90-100k. rubies and saphires went from 2-4k to 9k now. I was lucky, I bought all my mini pets, destroyer weapons, and a majority of my armor before the hom calc came out. as soon as it did, i was sitting at 29/50 points only requiring a few minipets, 1 weapon, and titles. now its slightly more difficult to make money as everyone wants expierenced people to do certain grinds. in Underworld you need to show how many ghastly stones you have (you get 1 for completing the underworld in normal mode, and 2 in hard mode), in DoA they can tell by your title/how you react. FoW is a little easier but you won't get as rich quickly. if you where to start now it would probably take you a full year just to get to 30, and thats playing Guild Wars exclusively after work/school. The only way I can think of to get to 30 hom points quickly is to use a questionable method that is frowned upon and could get you banned.

[simooshy]

Warmaster Bacon, on 01 July 2012 - 10:50 PM, said:

The big problem now with hom, is how much money you need now just to fill it. Mini pets doubled/tripled in price, destroyer weapons once went for 25k ea, now they shot up to 90-100k. rubies and saphires went from 2-4k to 9k now. I was lucky, I bought all my mini pets, destroyer weapons, and a majority of my armor before the hom calc came out. as soon as it did, i was sitting at 29/50 points only requiring a few minipets, 1 weapon, and titles. now its slightly more difficult to make money as everyone wants expierenced people to do certain grinds. in Underworld you need to show how many ghastly stones you have (you get 1 for completing the underworld in normal mode, and 2 in hard mode), in DoA they can tell by your title/how you react. FoW is a little easier but you won't get as rich quickly. if you where to start now it would probably take you a full year just to get to 30, and thats playing Guild Wars exclusively after work/school. The only way I can think of to get to 30 hom points quickly is to use a questionable method that is frowned upon and could get you banned.

Like a froggy dropping? Or a BDS? Things are possible, if not massively likely. Plus, any points are nice free things for gw2, so imo "I won't reach 30 in time" is not a reason to give up. Eotn dungeons are also a great source of income, and after a few (esp with LoDs) you can have a chunk of the gems for a wep. The green mini is almost free and not much effort, a few titles are pretty easy, and vaettir/raptor farm is always there too.

[Warmaster Bacon]

simooshy, on 01 July 2012 - 10:57 PM, said:

Like a froggy dropping? Or a BDS? Things are possible, if not massively likely. Plus, any points are nice free things for gw2, so imo "I won't reach 30 in time" is not a reason to give up. Eotn dungeons are also a great source of income, and after a few (esp with LoDs) you can have a chunk of the gems for a wep. The green mini is almost free and not much effort, a few titles are pretty easy, and vaettir/raptor farm is always there too.

I'm trying to think from a new players perspective, people who won't have the right builds, won't know how much things are worth, won't know what armors are considered elite. By the time he does beat all 3 games and eotn, I'm guessing  a month and half would have passed by then, maybe more. I know the wiki is a big help, but how will he know whats easy to him? Some missions I found extremely difficult just because I didn't know where to go. Unless he has someone there helping him out every step of the way, I don't think he will be able to get to 30 points within 2 months. There are some easy farms to do, but he has to learn all of the mechanics, like aggro, damage, exploitable glitches, etc etc.

[simooshy]

Warmaster Bacon, on 01 July 2012 - 11:06 PM, said:

I'm trying to think from a new players perspective, people who won't have the right builds, won't know how much things are worth, won't know what armors are considered elite. By the time he does beat all 3 games and eotn, I'm guessing  a month and half would have passed by then, maybe more. I know the wiki is a big help, but how will he know whats easy to him? Some missions I found extremely difficult just because I didn't know where to go. Unless he has someone there helping him out every step of the way, I don't think he will be able to get to 30 points within 2 months. There are some easy farms to do, but he has to learn all of the mechanics, like aggro, damage, exploitable glitches, etc etc.

Don't get me wrong, I think the likelihood of reaching 30/50 in 2 months without serious help is low. But it doesn't mean he shouldn't try. Especially if that means enjoying the story and characters that are now, in effect, a prequel to the "main game" he will be playing.

[Shriketalon]

Warmaster Bacon, on 01 July 2012 - 10:50 PM, said:

The big problem now with hom, is how much money you need now just to fill it.
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The only way I can think of to get to 30 hom points quickly is to use a questionable method that is frowned upon and could get you banned.

For the intrepid adventurer on a budget....

3 points for linking accounts.
2 for the black moa scavenger hunt.
8 for all companions via their challenge missions.
2 for an oppressor weapon via the War in Kryta.

That's fifteen without spending a cent.  Titles can net you up to 14 points without going for the money spending ones, if you're willing to pick up a PvP title (gladiator, most likely), 11 if you are not.  These can be time consuming, and should be mixed in with the cheap-but-still-bought alternatives, namely...

2 for Kurzick/Luxon armor.
1 for a Destroyer weapon via quest rewards from EotN/GW: Beyond.
1 gold mini of any sort.
4 more points from filling the weapon monument with destroyer/oppressor weapons via cash/daily quests.


It's basically a question of whether you'll consume time or money.  You can swiftly get the full Hall by spending money, or run around the world completing everything and not spend anything but your own free time.

It's also worth noting that the Hall won't lock out when GW2 ships.  It will still be possible to gain points after release and unlock further rewards.  This means that your time spent there isn't wasted, and you can get those last few skins whenever you have a spare moment (as well as let minis accumulate via birthday gifts on all your characters).  It only takes 6 points for the entire armor set, and the most common weapons occur quite early in the reward listing.

[Warmaster Bacon]

Shriketalon, on 01 July 2012 - 11:58 PM, said:

For the intrepid adventurer on a budget....

3 points for linking accounts.
2 for the black moa scavenger hunt.
8 for all companions via their challenge missions.
2 for an oppressor weapon via the War in Kryta.

That's fifteen without spending a cent.  Titles can net you up to 14 points without going for the money spending ones, if you're willing to pick up a PvP title (gladiator, most likely), 11 if you are not.  These can be time consuming, and should be mixed in with the cheap-but-still-bought alternatives, namely...

2 for Kurzick/Luxon armor.
1 for a Destroyer weapon via quest rewards from EotN/GW: Beyond.
1 gold mini of any sort.
4 more points from filling the weapon monument with destroyer/oppressor weapons via cash/daily quests.


It's basically a question of whether you'll consume time or money.  You can swiftly get the full Hall by spending money, or run around the world completing everything and not spend anything but your own free time.

It's also worth noting that the Hall won't lock out when GW2 ships.  It will still be possible to gain points after release and unlock further rewards.  This means that your time spent there isn't wasted, and you can get those last few skins whenever you have a spare moment (as well as let minis accumulate via birthday gifts on all your characters).  It only takes 6 points for the entire armor set, and the most common weapons occur quite early in the reward listing.

I completely forgot that you could complete it after the game comes out.

[Doctor Overlord]

Shriketalon, on 01 July 2012 - 06:01 PM, said:

The different perspectives result in different opinions regarding the true difficulty of 30/50 points.

Good points about the reasons for the difference in opinions.   I suppose I just wish people would present the effort for HoMs in a more defined manner as you do.  

Your post mentions the perception of 'easy' HoMs is based on playing for a few hours each day and reading the textbooks of GW1 material (which is literally true regarding the amount out there).  This gives a sold and defined measure of the time and effort required.   Too often I see this important point glossed over with the adjective 'easy'.    

I also completely agree with your assessment that GW1's PvE is chiefly based on preparation rather than skillful reaction to the NPC mobs.      That is also something that too often gets ignored in advice when it should be emphasized because it shows the importance of reading and doing homework to successfully play GW1.

[Charrstake]

My hopes have been crushed. I picked up playing again. I kinda stopped after i got my obsidian gear years ago and didn't play nearly as often as i use to. i got enough points for the outfit lol. And i plan on making a ranger. The neat outfit will have to do lol.