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[Schyd]

Hello, dears, i've got some concerns about Queen Jennah.

I've heard, from a conversation between two NPC's in Divinity's Reach that Queen Jennah was pregnant. I don't have any source, though, but i remember what the conversation was approximatively :

"NPC1: Have you heard that Queen Jennah was pregnant? She totally lacks of responsability towards us.
NPC2: She's your Queen, you should not talk of her like that.
NPC1: I know but with all the problems going on, it just seems not normal.
NPC2: She's your queen and she knows what she's doing."

So first, we know that the Queen is pregnant, but i've got another concern. Who's the Daddy? I know that Logan has too much respect for the queen to have a kid with her in less than 5 years (1320 - Ogre Revolt | 1325 - Present day in the Game).

I'd like to hear your thoughts about that future kid. Maybe it's just a rumor, i don't know

[Flaming_Foxx]

I'm quite certain that its just meant to be NPC gossip, Anet is trying to show that the residents of Kryta are a little bit split when it comes to their loyalties.

[Kasern]

She sure doesn't look pregnant. Or at least she didn't in the first BWE. Could you still go see her in the second?

[Tetan0]

Well than she has more than one lover

Edited by Tetan0, 08 July 2012 - 02:48 AM.

[Konig Des Todes]

Flaming_Foxx, on 08 July 2012 - 02:37 AM, said:

I'm quite certain that its just meant to be NPC gossip, Anet is trying to show that the residents of Kryta are a little bit split when it comes to their loyalties.

This.

There's also NPCs that claim she has a secret army of quaggans in training, and that Anise's beauty is all 100% mesmer magic.

Talking to Jennah, however, you will note that she does not have a consort - so if she has a child, it's a bastard child and, tbh, there's little point in not marrying Logan when the two are in love if they're still gonna go that far.

[Flaming_Foxx]

Konig Des Todes, on 08 July 2012 - 03:03 AM, said:

This.

There's also NPCs that claim she has a secret army of quaggans in training, and that Anise's beauty is all 100% mesmer magic.

Talking to Jennah, however, you will note that she does not have a consort - so if she has a child, it's a bastard child and, tbh, there's little point in not marrying Logan when the two are in love if they're still gonna go that far.

I believe you will find Anise's beauty probably is 100% mesmer magic, don't trust that one at all..

[The Greyhawk]

What....I don't....

No, Jennah isn't pregnant.  For one thing, her position is precarious enough with a certain minister causing problems.  She doesn't strike me as the type to have a tryst with Logan, much less let herself get impregnated by him, potentially destroying a lot of what she's been working towards.

And frankly it really isn't Anet's style (yes, there is Salma, but they really danced around her status as a bastard child).

[Taran]

Konig Des Todes, on 08 July 2012 - 03:03 AM, said:

This.

There's also NPCs that claim she has a secret army of quaggans in training, and that Anise's beauty is all 100% mesmer magic.

Talking to Jennah, however, you will note that she does not have a consort - so if she has a child, it's a bastard child and, tbh, there's little point in not marrying Logan when the two are in love if they're still gonna go that far.

Actually, there is quite a point.  To openly marry a commoner (non-nobility) could very well be a serious taboo.  Drawing from earth cultures, they could believe in a "divinely-appointed noble line" which means keeping royal blood untainted by non-nobles.  If this belief is part of Krytan history, it would mean that for the Queen to marry a commoner is paramount to giving up her right to rule and joining the commoners herself.  If Krytans are understanding of such romantic interest, then the crown would pass on to someone else and that would be all that happens.  But in a worst case scenario, the commoner would be charged with treason (and execution of both him and the child), for attempting to seduce a noble into giving up her throne and destablizing the government.  Whether she keeps her crown would be hotly debated (and you can bet, any noble with dreams of being the next monarch would be looking for a way to make a grab for that crown).  Either way, it could be a VERY serious point depending on how Krytans view the monarchy.

[Silent The Legend]

Well maybe its just a fake information put around by the ministry because they want to discredit the queen.
There could be many reasons.

[Leeto]

PREGO ALERT!

[Trei]

And you guys are acting just like those NPCs lol.

[Coren]

Tetan0, on 08 July 2012 - 02:47 AM, said:

Well than she has more than one lover

Or he's Anise's lover^^

[mouxos]

Tetan0, on 08 July 2012 - 02:47 AM, said:

Well than she has more than one lover

The charr's expression is PRICELESS

[Thalador]

@Taran: Unlikely. King Adelbern was both a descendant of King Doric but otherwise the son of a not-so-noble family, yet people outright crowned him instead of the Duke because of his deeds during the Guild War. Then there's Salma who was a bastard yet people wanted her to be Queen and had no reservations about it - aside from the White Mantle. Based on these, I think the only requisite to be a candidate for becoming a Queen or King of one of the human kingdoms (right now only Kryta) is to be a member of the Doric bloodline.

[Konig Des Todes]

Taran, on 09 July 2012 - 08:33 AM, said:

Drawing from earth cultures, they could believe in a "divinely-appointed noble line" which means keeping royal blood untainted by non-nobles.

They don't. Not even the asian-based Canthan culture follows this line of thought (unlike asian cultures). And the emperors had many concubines.

King Jadon had an illegitimate child with a priestess, and Adelbern was a commoner put into royalty by popular demand (while also being descended from King Doric).

There is more evidence saying that they're allowed to marry whom they wish, than that it has to be with another royalty (especially since in GW2's time, there's only 1 royal line).

And just about everyone knows there's a love interest between Logan and Jennah - though they don't proclaim it openly, several NPCs, both noble and commoner, seem to know what's going on.


And besides, I'm sure Ascalonians, at least, would be more than welcome to have the descendant of one of their greatest heroes (Gwen) marry into the royal line.

[The Greyhawk]

This has brought up something I've been wondering about with the nobility of Kryta.  There doesn't seem to be much of a noble class in GW1.  Were these noble houses around back then, or have they risen up in the time since then?

[Konig Des Todes]

Thing is about Kryta in GW1...

Prophecies manual said:

There are two types of humans in Kryta: those who worship the mysterious Unseen Ones and those who do not. The worshippers have become known as the White Mantle because of the long white sleeveless robes many of them wear.
It is the responsibility of the White Mantle to oversee the other humans and impose upon them the rules and laws of the Unseen Ones. Those inside the organization receive special privileges (more food, better clothing, access to books) simply for abiding by the rules of the Unseen Ones and carrying out the orders handed down by the White Mantle high priest. To the Krytans the White Mantle are the root of law and order, the protectors or saviors, if you will, of their lands.

Prophecies manual said:

Travelers to Kryta will find a stark contrast between the fortified, polished-stone buildings of the White Mantle and the thatch-roofed huts of the regular citizens. There is a surprising amount of wealth here, but it is kept in the hands of those who adhere to the doctrines of the Mantle, and this is reflected in the architecture of the region.

In GW1, the White Mantle more or less took all riches in the nation, making everyone who wasn't a White Mantle to be little more than a commoner. They likely had nobles, but they were dressed in the exact same outfits as regular Krytans.

[The Greyhawk]

A point I hadn't time to bring up.

Also, I can't imagine the nobles would have quietly let their wealth taken away, even by those whom were (at first) regarded as the saviors of Kryta.  Like the old king, I think many 'mysteriously disappeared'.  I suppose some may have joined the Mantle as well, though ones that had wouldn't have been able to maintain their 'noble status' following Salma's taking the throne.

Another question, are some of the current nobles 'transplants' from Ascalon?

[Konig Des Todes]

King Jadon didn't "mysteriously disappear" - he fled the throne.

I wouldn't doubt that most of the nobles became White Mantle by "backing the saviors" so that a repeat of the Charr invasion didn't occur again.

And yeah, some nobles hold Ascalonian descent - I recall one human NPC saying she was a noble who's family "rightfully owns" the area of Regent Valley. There are also nobles of Elonian descent. Probably some of Canthan too.

[Sirius]

I guess Kryta has gossip rags too. Heaven knows they don't take much care to verify facts before publishing things.

[XgreatArtist]

Tetan0, on 08 July 2012 - 02:47 AM, said:

Well than she has more than one lover

the pimp hand is strong in this one!
-quote from GamerPoop Skyrim

[draxynnic]

Konig Des Todes, on 10 July 2012 - 03:49 AM, said:

King Jadon didn't "mysteriously disappear" - he fled the throne.

I wouldn't doubt that most of the nobles became White Mantle by "backing the saviors" so that a repeat of the Charr invasion didn't occur again.

And yeah, some nobles hold Ascalonian descent - I recall one human NPC saying she was a noble who's family "rightfully owns" the area of Regent Valley. There are also nobles of Elonian descent. Probably some of Canthan too.

Another observation here is that patents of nobility can often be a reward for some great service to the nation (surviving in the tendency of some modern monarchs to throw around knighthoods willy-nilly, although they no longer come with land grants attached), especially when the aristocracy has been depleted. It wouldn't surprise me if a lot of Kryta's noble families trace their roots back to a hero of the War in Kryta.

This means that one interpretation of the relationship between Logan and Jennah is that Jennah is basically waiting for Logan to perform a feat of such recognition that no one could credibly argue that she did so purely so he'd be a legitimate consort. Such as, to throw out one possibility, slaying Zhaitan...

[Konig Des Todes]

Like killing off 3 dragon champions isn't enough of a feat to claim nobility (that is, if he isn't of noble descent - I don't think it ever stated he wasn't but he was the wayward child between him and his brother, I believe).

[Genesis]

draxynnic, on 10 July 2012 - 01:47 PM, said:

This means that one interpretation of the relationship between Logan and Jennah is that Jennah is basically waiting for Logan to perform a feat of such recognition that no one could credibly argue that she did so purely so he'd be a legitimate consort. Such as, to throw out one possibility, slaying Zhaitan...

That's quite an incentive to slay Zhaitan.

Logan: "Jennah, I'm going to Orr to kill Zhaitan. I'll be in Destiny's Edge. No calls."

[draxynnic]

Konig Des Todes, on 10 July 2012 - 08:51 PM, said:

Like killing off 3 dragon champions isn't enough of a feat to claim nobility (that is, if he isn't of noble descent - I don't think it ever stated he wasn't but he was the wayward child between him and his brother, I believe).

It's possibly one of those cases of "if anyone ELSE had done that, it'd be in the bag, but because of the political situation and the possible accusation of favouritism Jennah has to be extra careful".

Or, to put it another way, Logan has to do something so impressive that even Caudecus can't argue that he doesn't deserve it.

[Caldagar]

draxynnic, on 10 July 2012 - 11:26 PM, said:

It's possibly one of those cases of "if anyone ELSE had done that, it'd be in the bag, but because of the political situation and the possible accusation of favouritism Jennah has to be extra careful".

Or, to put it another way, Logan has to do something so impressive that even Caudecus can't argue that he doesn't deserve it.

Honestly though he's the leader of the Seraph, helped defeat three dragon champions, and personally protected the Queen when she was in danger. In cases like this I think the fact that the common people, as well as some nobles, would approve of him would be enough.

[RaizinMonk]

Caldagar, on 11 July 2012 - 12:18 AM, said:

Honestly though he's the leader of the Seraph

Technically he is only one of several captains. Queen Jennah is the one in charge of the Seraph, and the only one that outranks the 5 to 10 captains in the Seraph command structure. But yeah, because Jennah is busy with heaps of other responsibilities Logan temporarily fulfills a good part of that role, especially in the Divinity's Reach area.

[Craywulf]

I don't think there's any doubt that Logan is a legitimate consort, in the eyes of Jennah's followers. I do think Caudecus' followers are just looking for anything they can to discredit the Queen, including spreading lies.

[Konig Des Todes]

draxynnic, on 10 July 2012 - 11:26 PM, said:

Or, to put it another way, Logan has to do something so impressive that even Caudecus can't argue that he doesn't deserve it.

But the question is... would Caudecus argue against it?

I mean, firstly while Logan may be Jennah's love interest, Caudecus really has only shown to be against Jennah's actions and not the crown. Furthermore, Logan would simply become a noble - gain an estate, a title, perhaps some money... but he isn't a minister. He won't be anyone of any more importance and could even be a means to make Jennah look better if Logan becomes a noble that people don't like.

Truth be told, the only thing going against Logan being made to be a noble - again, if he isn't one (we have, as I said, nothing to say he's a mere commoner besides him being a Seraph captain) - is the whole "favoritism" bit.

And to return to the Caudecus point - it hasn't really been shown that he's against the Seraph, or Logan specifically, so he may even be supportive of making Logan a noble. We know Logan dislikes the Ministry Guard (to a degree), and I wouldn't doubt he dislikes Caudecus (actually, I think it's shown he does during one of the human personal storylines), but that doesn't mean its mutual. Fact is, all we know about Caudecus is that he disagrees with Jennah to some degree - everything else about him is people suspecting him. I wouldn't doubt Anet to use this to make him an actually genuine fella who simply disagrees with the decisions of a youthful queen - perhaps the worst he is, is merely a conservative.

@Caldagar: A leader of the Seraph. There are several Seraph captains, and he's just the one in charge of Divinity's Reach.

[Craywulf]

Question, has Logan been officially rewarded knighthood? Would knighthood be a form of nobility within Tyrian lore?