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[Konig Des Todes]

I don't even think knighthood exists (in non-White Mantle human Kryta at least).

[Genesis]

Konig Des Todes, on 11 July 2012 - 12:55 AM, said:

Truth be told, the only thing going against Logan being made to be a noble - again, if he isn't one (we have, as I said, nothing to say he's a mere commoner besides him being a Seraph captain) - is the whole "favoritism" bit.

There's a line in the noble human personal story that suggests Logan is not a part of the nobility. After 'The Informant' chapter when deciding how to find evidence against a particular noble, Logan tells the noble player and Countess Anise something to the effect of "You nobles make things difficult for us," which may simply mean the Seraph. I'll have to double-check.

Craywulf, on 11 July 2012 - 01:00 AM, said:

Question, has Logan been officially rewarded knighthood? Would knighthood be a form of nobility within Tyrian lore?

They do not really have knights in Kryta. The Seraph are a hybrid of police and military, with members of various social ranks, though I suspect they are mostly commoners.

[The Greyhawk]

Sorry to back track a little, but my point about Salma's father is that he STAYED gone.  Quite well aware that he ran away.

[Tevesh]

Actually in human noble story arch Logan outright states that the noble player character should announce the charges against Minister Dontrememberthename instead of him, since krytan justice is not blind to social status. Which implies Logan is not noble.

[Genesis]

Tevesh, on 11 July 2012 - 02:52 AM, said:

Actually in human noble story arch Logan outright states that the noble player character should announce the charges against Minister Dontrememberthename instead of him, since krytan justice is not blind to social status. Which implies Logan is not noble.

I forgot about that. Good find.

[draxynnic]

Konig Des Todes, on 11 July 2012 - 12:55 AM, said:

But the question is... would Caudecus argue against it?

I mean, firstly while Logan may be Jennah's love interest, Caudecus really has only shown to be against Jennah's actions and not the crown. Furthermore, Logan would simply become a noble - gain an estate, a title, perhaps some money... but he isn't a minister. He won't be anyone of any more importance and could even be a means to make Jennah look better if Logan becomes a noble that people don't like.

Truth be told, the only thing going against Logan being made to be a noble - again, if he isn't one (we have, as I said, nothing to say he's a mere commoner besides him being a Seraph captain) - is the whole "favoritism" bit.

And to return to the Caudecus point - it hasn't really been shown that he's against the Seraph, or Logan specifically, so he may even be supportive of making Logan a noble. We know Logan dislikes the Ministry Guard (to a degree), and I wouldn't doubt he dislikes Caudecus (actually, I think it's shown he does during one of the human personal storylines), but that doesn't mean its mutual. Fact is, all we know about Caudecus is that he disagrees with Jennah to some degree - everything else about him is people suspecting him. I wouldn't doubt Anet to use this to make him an actually genuine fella who simply disagrees with the decisions of a youthful queen - perhaps the worst he is, is merely a conservative.

That's because the human personal story lines that represent the strongest evidence against Caudecus are ones you've been avoiding because of spoilers. It may not be quite at the 'beyond reasonable doubt' stage, but that reasonable doubt is relying on a pretty stretched coincidence. If you want to keep avoiding those spoilers, you're just going to have to trust us on this.

As for Caudecus arguing against it - my read is that he wouldn't do anything to prevent it from happening, but once it did he'd gleefully jump on the Jennah's-just-ennobling-him-so-she-can-have-him wagon and wring whatever advantage he could out of it to discredit her.

Edited by draxynnic, 11 July 2012 - 03:06 AM.

[Keepy]

Logan no! he cant be the father!

Edited by Zoyita, 11 July 2012 - 03:23 AM.

[Dasryn]

i am and always had been under the impression that Logan and Jennah were a pair.  playing through as a human in GW2, in random interactions with Logan, one of the things your character can ask him is: "you really do love her don't you?"  and Logan says "yes" among other things. .. .

then talking to jennah you tell her: "you know you can stop Logan from going to Lion's Arch with just one word right?"

and she says, "i know but i want a partner, not a servant, i already have many servants."

*keep in mind, this isnt word for word as i didnt screenshot these conversations but please trust that these quotations are for all intents and purpose extremely accurate.

so Logan telling me that he loves her and her saying she sees/wants logan to be her partner, then the various "love" letters in the juvenile read that was Edge of Destiny, they all strongly impliy the two are in love and together.  and its pretty obvious that Logan is completely infatuated/enamored by her - is it so hard to conceive that Jennah couldve got a little kinky in a time of weakness and the two did the deed?

i dont think thats hard to believe at all.  i mean, she put herself way out there for Logan and Logan is like her puppet so idk, i think theyve been doing the deed for a while now tbh.

Edited by Rickter, 22 November 2012 - 01:46 PM.

[Mockingjay74]

Rickter, on 22 November 2012 - 01:46 PM, said:

i dont think thats hard to believe at all.  i mean, she put herself way out there for Logan and Logan is like her puppet so idk, i think theyve been doing the deed for a while now tbh.

If I'm not mistaken, this is what this thread is about and referring to. Jennah and Logan definitely have something going on, that's not even questionable at this point. It's the whole puppet thing that gets confusing. Personally, I have a feeling it's just a royal and Tyrian version of a "You are my boyfriend, do as I say" story where the boyfriend is like a puppy who wants food. But I'm really looking forward to seeing if future expansions or content patches talk about them at all.

[Steadfast Gao Shun]

Consider Logan's ancestor and how he won Gwen. Kieran went from a pretty lovesick idiot (remember that scavenger hunt he put your PC through?) to, to put it into the words of the immortal Kamille, "Kieran's a man's name, and I'm a man!" I would not be terribly surprised to see Logan undergo similar sorts of development.

Many people also do overplay Logan's indecisiveness, and I've seen many interpretations of him being a sort of clingy-nice-guy-un-manly boyfriend, what have you. But I think if you look at Logan's actions as a whole, you'll find that he's quite capable of thinking for himself. In other words, to have a powerful, independent man still willing to follow your every command - that sounds pretty sexy to me.

You put two young people who are intelligent enough to appreciate each other's unique place together in a special situation, what do you think's going to happen?

Edited by Steadfast Gao Shun, 22 November 2012 - 08:07 PM.

[draxynnic]

In fact, I'd put it forward that a lot of the Logan hate is that he thought for himself in a situation where the Logan-haters would have preferred he succumbed to peer pressure. He's quite capable of thinking for himself both in-game and in-novel, but the problem with people who think for themselves is that they'll sometimes think something different to you.

[gance]

i think she is preggy. thats why logan wants to leave asap, so he went to orr.

lets wait for 7-8 months maybe

[Valkaire]

gance, on 23 November 2012 - 07:46 AM, said:

i think she is preggy. thats why logan wants to leave asap, so he went to orr.

lets wait for 7-8 months maybe

I don't even....,

(Actually, Logan was loathe to leave Jennah to reform destiny's edge although he, with a little push from jennah if I remember correctly, eventually decided that Jennah could take care of herself and the world needed him more. Or something along those lines, haven't played the human story in forever).

[Steadfast Gao Shun]

I think that's part of what Jennah tells him in CM Story as well. Although, by the looks of it, Logan could use a raise.

[chrisbdrake]

It will be revealed that Logan and Jenna are distantly related.  The Order of Whispers know that there is another heir to the throne, but won't say who it is.  My guess is Logan.

[Mockingjay74]

chrisbdrake, on 26 November 2012 - 08:31 AM, said:

It will be revealed that Logan and Jenna are distantly related.  The Order of Whispers know that there is another heir to the throne, but won't say who it is.  My guess is Logan.

Can you back up your statements at all? Where does the Order of Whispers say that about the throne?

[chrisbdrake]

Mockingjay74, on 26 November 2012 - 07:18 PM, said:

Can you back up your statements at all? Where does the Order of Whispers say that about the throne?

Human personal story, approximately lvl 26.  When the player returns from the mission, the three orders are chatting amongst themselves.  The Whispers agents implies that there may be another heir to the throne.  Considering OoW's practice of withholding information, I would say it's a good bet that there is another heir.

[draxynnic]

Wade Samuelsson in Ebonhawke might be a more likely possibility there - he mentions in the Vigil storyline that he's descended from Ascalonian kings, which if true means he's also a descendant of Doric. The reason he's sticking to Duke rather than going all the way are probably a mix of being mindful of the political ramifications and not wanting to claim the title until and unless there's truly a kingdom of Ascalon to be king of.

However, it could also be that the OoW is keeping the survival of the Ascalonian line secret so if someone does up and kill the monarch in hopes that that'll get their non-royal candidate in charge, the Ascalonian line can jump in with its claim and trump them.

[chrisbdrake]

draxynnic, on 27 November 2012 - 03:12 AM, said:

Wade Samuelsson in Ebonhawke might be a more likely possibility there - he mentions in the Vigil storyline that he's descended from Ascalonian kings, which if true means he's also a descendant of Doric. The reason he's sticking to Duke rather than going all the way are probably a mix of being mindful of the political ramifications and not wanting to claim the title until and unless there's truly a kingdom of Ascalon to be king of.

However, it could also be that the OoW is keeping the survival of the Ascalonian line secret so if someone does up and kill the monarch in hopes that that'll get their non-royal candidate in charge, the Ascalonian line can jump in with its claim and trump them.

I missed that narrative about samuelsson.  I do agree with your assessment of the OoW's actions.

After more thought, I've decided that Samuelsson is not the one.  Simply because he talks to much about his ancestry.  I think "the one" is not aware of his/her ancestry.

Edited by chrisbdrake, 27 November 2012 - 06:05 PM.