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#1 lyko

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 08:32 PM

Hey all,

I'm a casual wow player and having a hard time to decide between GW2 and MoP. I'm the kind of player you would call a collector and crafter. I love that I can collect companions, mounts and achievements besides doing dungeons, pvp, raids or whatsoever. I also am a huge fan of crafting. Even back when I used to play EQ2, I spent most of the time collecting things and crafting.

I know GW2 doesn't come with mounts, so nothing to collect there. What about other stuff? And what about the crafting system? Even if GW2 doesn't have anything to collect but would have an excellent crafting system, I could imagine getting it.

Thank you

Edited by Ryuzaki, 15 July 2012 - 09:51 PM.
Fixed the typo


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Posted 15 July 2012 - 08:37 PM

I've stopped playing WOW for the content...and only to collect as well.....but I'm going to collect "memories" in Guildwars 2....

I believe that there will be many pets...rare and legendary items....different looks ...consumables...and alot of fun achievements...

As for crafting.....well from what I've seen so far it's a hell of alot more in depth than wow.....with both useful and vanity items available...and one character can do all crafting.....

MOP is more of the same......imho

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 08:52 PM

I'll elaborate on a couple of things.

Guild Wars 2 crafting usually doesn't involve buying or finding recipes (although there is still some of that); it involves you making/finding 4 ingredients and then discovering the combinations yourself. For example, if you're a Weaponsmith and you want to make a sword, then maybe three of the ingredients will be a grip, a hilt, a blade, and a magical item to give the stats for the weapon.

There are eight crafting professions, and you can actually use them all. You can only have two active at a time, but you can switch between them and not lose crafting level.

Through crafting, you can actually gain experience and level quite well.

There are no gathering professions, instead every player can gather any resource (it's fine though, since each node such as a tree to cut down, an herb to gather, or a rock to mine is instanced, meaning any number of players can gather from it without affecting each other)

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Some things to collect:

-Armor sets from dungeons. When you go through a dungeon, there are of course the random drops for some bits of gear. However, if you want the amazing-looking gear then you'll want to run the Explorable Mode Dungeons and get tokens to cash in for parts of the gear sets. There are 8 sets, so that will keep you busy for quite a while.

-PvP Armor Sets. As your rank up and gain glory, you have access to amazing looking sPvP gear sets (they are the same stat wise as the rest of the gear, but look amazing). There are a number of gear sets to collect.

-Legendary Weapons. Legendary Weapons are weapons that are more than just nice looking, they potentially cause exotic animations when they swing or just by having them equipped. They are gained via the Mystic Forge, a thing where you put in up to 4 items and the magical Djiin inside gives you an item that is about a combination of the 4. To get Legendary Weapons, you need to get the 4 components from throughout the game and combine them in the Mystic Forge. These items can't be traded, and you don't get them from things like raids, so it can be earned mostly on your own (however, this will take some effort).

Some examples we've heard of:

1.) A Unicorn Shortbow that shoots rainbows.
2.) A hammer with a ball of metal in it that coats the player in what looks to be metal when swung, that leaves a metalic residue in your footsteps.
3.) A Greatsword that looks like a slice of the daytime sky. Imagine looking into the sky, cutting out a jagged piece of metal from it, and making that into a Greatsword. Obviously looks amazing in the nighttime,
4.) A Greatsword that looks like a slice of the nighttime sky. Obviously looks amazing in the daytime.
5/) A Blade that is a slice of the nighttime sky in the daytime, and a slice of the daytime sky in the nighttime. To get this blade, you have to get the two previous Legendary greatswords and combine them in the Mystic forge.

-There are mini-pets (companions) to collect

-There are 400 dyes to collect

-There is 100% Map completion you could try for

-A large number of Achievements to go for

Tell me what you think.

Edited by Alaroxr, 15 July 2012 - 08:59 PM.


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Posted 15 July 2012 - 08:53 PM

I was an avid crafter in WoW as well. GW2's crafting system (over the beta events I've played) seems to greatly refine what crafting was like in WoW. It adds experimentation, as well as quality-of-life improvements (dedicated crafting material storage page of the bank, accelerating progress bars if you're making a lot of one item, no competition over resource nodes). So far I really, really like it.

This video might give you a good idea of what its like, its long and goes into a lot of detail.
Edit: Part 2 of that video also has a lot of random, basic details that you might find interesting if you made it through the first part.

I'm not sure about collectible items though. There are certainly a wealth of companion pets in GW2, but I think a lot of them are purchased on the gem store using either real money or in-game gold which I doubt is what you have in mind. :unsure:  But there may be other items that you would find enjoyable to collect.

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 09:05 PM

Definitely what these guys are saying. Also in terms of the crafting professions, they're all very well done but if you really want a crafters paradise you need to check out cooking, this is the most advanced crafting they have in the game and they made it specifically for hardcore crafters. It has a lot more to do with your own discovery of recipes and ingredients, some are farmed through nodes, others bought of specific merchants in the world. It's pretty intense.

Also if you become a Ranger, you can collect their pets, so far there's 46 different pets. They're put into groups by types but each type has different attacks(e.g. a jaguar will do crit dmg, a wolf more base, a bear would tank better). GW1 also added more pets with every expansion so that number and variety will definitely increase.

There's also various achievements daily, monthly and overall for certain things, some of them give you titles to display(bragging rights mostly) others give you rewards. Like the 100% map completion or getting 400 crafting in all professions or killing >1000 ppl in WvW.

The only other thing I can remember that isn't mentioned above is jumping puzzles which aren't so much collectible but they aren't disclosed on the map so you have to discover them. These aren't easy either, they're filled with traps, some mobs, a special boss if you complete it and treasure. Also any you discover and get to the end of will go towards an achievement.

#6 lyko

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 09:37 PM

Well, I think I'll pre-order it next week. Sounds like an amzing fun game for me.  Probably will go for Ranger ''semi''- hardcore crafter :-) . And what I've seen of cooking so far is just awesome. Thank you for helping me with my decision. Didn't take long :-) .

Now I can only hope that there will be at least one beta weekend in August to convince my girlfriend to play GW2.

cheers!

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 09:42 PM

View Postlyko, on 15 July 2012 - 09:37 PM, said:

Well, I think I'll pre-order it next week. Sounds like an amzing fun game for me.  Probably will go for Ranger ''semi''- hardcore crafter :-) . And what I've seen of cooking so far is just awesome. Thank you for helping me with my decision. Didn't take long :-) .

Now I can only hope that there will be at least one beta weekend in August to convince my girlfriend to play GW2.

cheers!

The last beta weekend will be July 20th, the game will launch on August 28th (25th if you prepurchase)!

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 09:56 PM

View PostCrosier, on 15 July 2012 - 09:42 PM, said:

The last beta weekend will be July 20th, the game will launch on August 28th (25th if you prepurchase)!

Good to know. Is there a deadline to prepurchase?

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 10:15 PM

They might cut it off a few days before the 25th, but I don't think thee's any official word from Anet on the topic. There's a beta weekend event starting Friday if you pre-purchase now you may be able to join in on it, if you were so inclined.

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 10:23 PM

View Postlyko, on 15 July 2012 - 09:56 PM, said:



Good to know. Is there a deadline to prepurchase?

They might close the digital pre-purchase at buy.guildwars2.com if too many copies are sold for their servers to handle, but I think that's quite unlikely with all the beta-key giveaways, and you can always pick up a copy at a local store (as long as they don't run out). Other than that, there is no deadline. If you search this forum, you can even find a download link to start downloading the game, so you won't have to do that during the beta weekend if you decide to pre-purchase it then.

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Posted 15 July 2012 - 10:24 PM

View Postlyko, on 15 July 2012 - 09:56 PM, said:

Good to know. Is there a deadline to prepurchase?
I do not see any reason for the prepurchase to end before early access.

#12 lyko

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 01:15 AM

Prepurchased it :-) . Hope my spouse enjoys the beta!

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 01:38 AM

View Postlyko, on 16 July 2012 - 01:15 AM, said:

Prepurchased it :-) . Hope my spouse enjoys the beta!

I think you'll like GW2. As a fellow EQ2 vet of many years, I haven't had so much fun in an MMO as when I was in the last Beta Weekend. There may not be as much to collect, but I think you'll have a lot more fun collecting stuff (did that make sense?). And there is a good possibility of player housing in the future. While there are no details yet, I'd be willing to bet whatever ArenaNet does wiht it, it will be at least as good as what they have in EQ2.

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 02:01 AM

View PostTregarde, on 16 July 2012 - 01:38 AM, said:

I think you'll like GW2. As a fellow EQ2 vet of many years, I haven't had so much fun in an MMO as when I was in the last Beta Weekend. There may not be as much to collect, but I think you'll have a lot more fun collecting stuff (did that make sense?). And there is a good possibility of player housing in the future. While there are no details yet, I'd be willing to bet whatever ArenaNet does wiht it, it will be at least as good as what they have in EQ2.

Sounds good. I loved EQ2, so did my spouse.
Really looking forward to GW2 now.

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 09:48 AM

Yeah, i've played EQ2 and WoW.- both for around 5 years with breaks ofcourse. I can rank guild wars 2 into having as much fun as i did in  
TBC- WoW  and all first 4 expansions of EQ2.  (that means its goddamn awesome)


WoW is a good game, but MoP just doesnt get me even remotely excited

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 10:01 AM

Great to see an inquisitive question with such great answers and, seemlingly, a new convert to GW2 :D Imo this is exactly what the community needs to be doing here, and it's awesome that we can show people just how awesome the game is/will be! :D

Question, feedback or issue? Pm me!


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Posted 16 July 2012 - 10:04 AM

We could engage in long discussion if you would ask: GW2 or WoW, but seems you are wow player for long time now and you are deciding between GW2 and MOP so answer is obvious - GW2. And no its has nothing to do with MOP beeing terrible expansion. For me it was similiar situation, i loved WoW cause of its awsome PVP but some months ago i was sitting in durotar and it struck me - no matter what is released or changed in game i will end up sitting in durotar dueling while waiting for battleground que to pop!
So it doesnt even matter if GW2 is better or not than WoW its the fact that GW2 gives totally different experience from WoW while beeing just as qualitative and fun. :)

Edited by Leeto, 16 July 2012 - 10:05 AM.


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Posted 16 July 2012 - 10:19 AM

View Postlyko, on 15 July 2012 - 08:32 PM, said:

Hey all,

I'm a casual wow player and having a hard time to decide between GW2 and MoP. I'm the kind of player you would call a collector and crafter. I love that I can collect companions, mounts and achievements besides doing dungeons, pvp, raids or whatsoever. I also am a huge fan of crafting. Even back when I used to play EQ2, I spent most of the time collecting things and crafting.

I know GW2 doesn't come with mounts, so nothing to collect there. What about other stuff? And what about the crafting system? Even if GW2 doesn't have anything to collect but would have an excellent crafting system, I could imagine getting it.

Thank you

You can craft!
You can have of your professions maxed on single char! You just switch between active ones at NPC without losing your progress!
There is Mystic Forge at which you can craft stuff which has yet-to-be-discovered secret recipes. There is cooking which requires you to travel around the world.

There are pets to be collected, dyes, costumes and more!
Costumes come with skills! Pirate costume, when fully on has 5 new skills! Water splash, parrot, and other crazy things!
Also Dynamic Events make you feel like you're in a living breathing world! Stuff just happens! one minute ago there was a tower with npcs and now it's razed to the ground! It's not static.

There are points of interest which can have occasional things happen, there are vistas to be seen and collected, good branching personal story, secret places to discover!

It has no subscription! Enjoy GW2 & MoP!

Thee feeling of freshness! When new game comes out and you meet new people and feel like it's adventure of a life time! Games that have been out for some time lose this feeling. Try something new!

Edited by Killyox, 16 July 2012 - 10:20 AM.


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Posted 16 July 2012 - 10:33 AM

Here are some Q&A's about gathering and a link to a (non-combat)mini-pet page you might be interested in!

- Non-Combat Pets? There are mini-pets in the game and around 55 mini-pets currently known!
Check this page for abit more info about em.

Crafting : You can actually lvl up to 80 from just crafting IF you have the mats for it ofcourse. There are 8 Crafting Discipline (Tradeskills) and maxing each tradeskill gives you 10lvls and you can get all 8 tradeskills (Armorsmith,Weaponsmith,Artificer,Cooking,Huntsman,Jeweler,Leatherworker,Tailor) on 1 character.
But you can only have 2 Active tradeskills at any time, but progress in InActive tradeskills is kept when you switch back to em.

- Gathering as Tradeskill? No, in GW2 you can have all gathering equipment(Sickle,Axe and Mining Pick) equipped in special slots and gather materials for every tradeskill.

- Gathering Node Stealing? Not in GW2! When someone gets to a node and gathers it when you get there you will have your own node to gather :0.

- Problems with full bags of crafting materials? Any materials you gather in the world can be deposited into your materials bank tab with just a right click!

- Bank full of crafting materials? There is a special tab in your bank that has a specific spot for each and every material currently in the game! You can deposit any crafting materials you gather in the world with 1 right click. Unknown yet the cap on the stackable amounts atleast to 99 or so.

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 10:51 AM

View Postlyko, on 15 July 2012 - 08:32 PM, said:

Hey all,

I'm a casual wow player and having a hard time to decide between GW2 and MoP. I'm the kind of player you would call a collector and crafter. I love that I can collect companions, mounts and achievements besides doing dungeons, pvp, raids or whatsoever. I also am a huge fan of crafting. Even back when I used to play EQ2, I spent most of the time collecting things and crafting.

I know GW2 doesn't come with mounts, so nothing to collect there. What about other stuff? And what about the crafting system? Even if GW2 doesn't have anything to collect but would have an excellent crafting system, I could imagine getting it.

Thank you

You can collect minipets, achievements, ranger pets, armor sets. The crafting system is quite good imo, no random crits and failures. The stuff you craft are actually decent all throughout, and not just vendor trash etc

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 11:15 AM

I have spent some time in Beta Weekennd Events Crafting.  so I will tell you what i think as well as give you a link to a video to let you see it for yourself.

you can pick up only two crafting skills at a time,  however if you drop a skill to pick up another you dont loose your skill in the craft you dropped, and if you want to go back to it, you can ..and still keep your points.  but you will only be able to master 2 of them,  but this hasn't been discussed in too much detail yet.  I would assume that you can only max out 2 crafting skills.

Gathering does not require skills perse,  you buy gathering tools for mining, harvesting plants and chopping trees,  (there are slots in hero window for these so you dont have to have them in your bags)  Gathering can be done by anyone, and if someone mines a node it doesnt go away, you can mine it too.  then it will dissapear, pretty cool if you ask me :)

There are a couple ways for you to craft too,  there are standard patterns your trainer gives you,  then there is a interface for descovering new patterns on your own!  you combine basic components you can craft, with loot from badguys, and learn new patterns!!  its fun to see what mixes with what, and makes what,  but after a while you start to see a logical approach to it, and then finding new patterns becomes a little more predictable.

The Cooking Skill provides powerful buffs,  however its very complex requiring you to harvest veggies, meats from animals,  and buy ingredients from karma vendors in various parts of the world.  Cooking is my favorite thus far,  because its challanging!  

Humans and centuars,  basically any enemy that can talk,  usually has small item packs that you loot from them.  and those packs contain all kinds of crafting material.  which is good if your trying to farm crafting materials,  you know where to go ...lol  you can also get Salvage Kits,  that allow you to break down rags, leathers, weapons armor,  into materials aswell.

As promised here are some craftting videos to look at if you wish ...hope I have been a bit helpful
Weaponsmithing
Cooking
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Posted 16 July 2012 - 03:27 PM

Just don't expect to much in terms of collecting stuff. I mean wow is 7 years old game, it was updated shit loads of times and with pet battle system comming to MoP i just don't know what can u expect from GW2. I used to be a collector as well in WoW (140+ mounts on 2 chars, 150 pets etc..) I was mostly into it but WoW just became boring and i couldn't find farming more of those mounts/pets entertaining anymore. I think  u should give GW2 a try, but don't give up instantly on it if u don't like it at start. It doesn't have subscription anyway..

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Posted 16 July 2012 - 04:18 PM

There are crafting recipes you can "collect," time will tell how rare some of them are or what is required in order to obtain them, though. I'm sure there are plenty of collectible items in the game that would suit the OP's preferences.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 05:54 AM

View Postlyko, on 16 July 2012 - 02:01 AM, said:

Sounds good. I loved EQ2, so did my spouse.
Really looking forward to GW2 now.

So?  Did you get to play this last beta?  What did you think?

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 06:03 AM

I'll make it short.

If you hate all typical MMORPG out there then get GW2.
If you only rush level & like only PvP also thinks exploring is a waste of time don't get GW2.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 06:07 AM

View Postheatzzz, on 25 July 2012 - 06:03 AM, said:

If you only rush level & like only PvP also thinks exploring is a waste of time don't get GW2.

Correction: Still get GW2, PvP and WvW is a blast and seriously well worth the money on their own. IMO of course. =)

Edited by Caldagar, 25 July 2012 - 06:08 AM.


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Posted 25 July 2012 - 10:54 AM

Ok let me simplify the question :)

I am a veteran GW 1 player , will GW2 give me the same :)

Now I am not a lore player so quest lines etc. do not do anything for me. I am however a dungeon runner etc. will GW2 offer me and many people I know the same experience oi as GW 1 ?

I ask as I have concerns.
1) no clear party roles
2) Dungeons are story line based.
3) the whole party design seems to be around socializing rather then synergise to beat the game / part of the game

Sorry :) i know alot of people disagree with my play style and drive , but it is mostly because I play to play with my wife and these are the things we enjoyed doing together and I am not seeing them in GW2. Also I still have the bad taste of Diablo 3 in my mouth and it's complete lack of end game and the leveling seems rather simular (lore etc. aside)

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 11:09 AM

View PostAbyss One, on 25 July 2012 - 10:54 AM, said:


1) no clear party roles

True, any one can fulfill any role, depending on build.

View PostAbyss One, on 25 July 2012 - 10:54 AM, said:

2) Dungeons are story line based.
Just first time you enter dunegeon. Next you can beat them in explorable mode (harder, more party coop needed etc.)

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 04:11 PM

View PostAbyss One, on 25 July 2012 - 10:54 AM, said:

1) no clear party roles
As far as party roles, there are three control, support and damage. The beauty of this system is you and your wife or anyone else running with you can have any profession running various types of builds to fill those roles. Professions are chosen due to preference not need.
2) Dungeons are story line based.
The first run of any dungeon is, you're correct. But it doesn't make it any less fun though it is slightly easier being your first run. All other runs in explorable mode have very little to no story attached to it and they are meant to be difficult. So 8 dungeons, 1 story mode, 3 explorables = 32 total different runs, 24 of which are explorable.
3) the whole party design seems to be around socializing rather then synergise to beat the game / part of the game
Well they are trying to make their game social friendly and for most of PvE synergizing isn't really needed, just like in most games general play isn't hard to do. But if you want to do well in dungeons, PvP, and even WvW synergizing is how you'll do it. If you don't plan your party on those explorable mode dungeons you're going to have a rough time surviving them.



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Posted 25 July 2012 - 06:11 PM

View PostIan42onGuru, on 25 July 2012 - 05:54 AM, said:

So?  Did you get to play this last beta?  What did you think?

Yes, I did get a chance to play the last BWE. It was great, loved it. I couldn't get too much into crafting though.

View PostBakiSaN, on 16 July 2012 - 03:27 PM, said:

Just don't expect to much in terms of collecting stuff. I mean wow is 7 years old game, it was updated shit loads of times and with pet battle system comming to MoP i just don't know what can u expect from GW2. I used to be a collector as well in WoW (140+ mounts on 2 chars, 150 pets etc..) I was mostly into it but WoW just became boring and i couldn't find farming more of those mounts/pets entertaining anymore. I think  u should give GW2 a try, but don't give up instantly on it if u don't like it at start. It doesn't have subscription anyway..

I know that WoW is out for seven years. I don't expect GW2 to have that many different kinds of stuff to collect. It's enough to know that they have stuff like mini pets to collect and I'm sure they'll include more in expensions.

I'll probably will play an Engineer. Does anyone know how expensive it would be to skill more than two crafting professions at the same time? Is the fee to switch professions high? Or is it most likely that one has to level the first two professions first and then after hitting lvl 80 farm gold to afford switching back and forth between the professions?
If it's too expensive to level more than 2 professions while leveling to 80, I'm torn between these two professions as my first two:

Cook:  just because the cooking system is awesome and the food buffs look great
Huntsman: Nice to craft pistols and rifles as an Engineer while leveling to 80
Leatherworker: Same as Huntsman but with armor
Juweler: Probably one of the best professions besides cooking to earn gold with

Cheers,





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