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[MSpurrier24]

Are the Mesmer's Overpowered in PvP?

I have been playing one this whole BWE and i went on a 23 killing spree. I didnt do that much damage, but when i was facing others, using mirror images, decoy, and blink. I was able to get out of there before anyone would even get a chance to hit me.

Of course as all stereotype's of the Mesmer i was using a Great Sword, but is there really any other choice?

Do you think that the Mesmer which most people thought should be boosted and was least powerful class should be nerfed?

[Tomalak2]

No, I don't. Faced them in PvP as a Guardian, and I wouldn't say they are OP.

Maybe you're too good?

Edited by Tomalak2, 22 July 2012 - 08:51 PM.

[Hika]

No
The Mesmer should not be nerfed and I cringe that you even suggest such a thing; the nerf bat would bring nothing but disapointment to GW1 mesmer fans

Excluding the Mesmer's currently useless #2 "DOWNED SKILL" and possibley the excessively high refresh of one elite, the class feels perfect in it's current state.

ArenaNet has accomplished a job well done with this class

Edited by Hika, 22 July 2012 - 09:09 PM.

[Cataca]

MSpurrier24, on 22 July 2012 - 08:47 PM, said:

Are the Mesmer's Overpowered in PvP?

I have been playing one this whole BWE and i went on a 23 killing spree. I didnt do that much damage, but when i was facing others, using mirror images, decoy, and blink. I was able to get out of there before anyone would even get a chance to hit me.

Of course as all stereotype's of the Mesmer i was using a Great Sword, but is there really any other choice?

Do you think that the Mesmer which most people thought should be boosted and was least powerful class should be nerfed?

This sounds like you did little damage with big survivability. To get in on a "kill" you only have to participate in damaging the foe. So obviously, if you outlast others you will get more "kills". The question is, how much you contributed.

And the greatsword is godawful. It might be me, personally, but i cringe inside everytime i see that pew pew laser ticking away at me with negligible damage. Also, i dont think that anyone thinks the mesmer is weak anymore, not since bwe2 where bug abusing mesmers were obliterating people with 20k damage chains.

Plus, not to say the mesmer did not get buffed, but the playstile you mention didnt get touched... at all. What you did you could do before, just as well.

[Chesire]

I don't really measure a match by how many kills I got but where I placed in the point round up at the end of the game. Highest I've gotten in kills so far is 15 in one match, but I had like 235 points or so from caps and the like.

I'm also using a condition build with Staff/Sword+Torch as per usual, with blink/decoy/null field as utility. Honestly after facing some Guardians and especially Engi's, to say that WE are OP is just ridiculous.

[Zero_Soulreaver]

Mesmers are far from OP.  I found a nice way to beef up my staff Mes so she can take more hits, but even still I don't expect it to be as good as guardian or any other amazing defensive class.  Mesmers do have weaknesses just like every profession.

A good Mesmer must always keep who they fight guessing.

[Cataca]

And how do you do that with the icon still not being displayed on the clones? Or them spawning next to people now. Or them repeating the same patterns all the time. Or them dealing zero damage. And so on, an so forth.

People that are getting fooled are getting fooled because they are inexperienced, not  because the mesmer is amazing at deception.

[DJSkittles1]

Mesmers suck against players who actually no what is going on. They will just throw a target up on you and lock on and than aoe your phantasms as they burn you to the ground. If your getting 23 kill streaks while only using a greatsword which is really the most plain mesmer weapon there is. Except for mindstab and illusionary wave it really doesnt bring too much to the table. You must be paying them to die, or your just godly.

[Lord Xaldin]

One thing I couldn't understand about mesmers this time around was them being downed... I had a match in particular where I downed a mesmer 3 times. It wasn't an easy down or anything either, so I'm sure it wasn't their phantasms. But I'd down them, nearly finish them and somehow they'd get back up with about 1/3 health and pop their heal skill and the fight would go once more until usually their team arrived and of course 3 on 1 kills you most of the time lol. Anyone else see anything like this?

Aside from that I wouldn't say mesmers are OP. Tricky, maybe, but definitely not OP.

[Xionix]

That's rally, it has nothing to do with the mesmer.

[Awake]

The only times I ever feel weak are when people (who probably also play Mesmer but are just on other toons) actively take out my illusions.

It leaves you in a very vulnerable state and leaves you without shatter utility and possibly even dmg depending on your reliance on phantasms. I can take on multiple people by myself if they ignore my illusions, but one warrior who knows what they are doing and keeps my illusions permanently down will usually put me into a corner.

[el hefe]

other than lack of another main-hand weapon,  i think mesmer are in a good state right now.  the only thing possibly op is the #1 downed skill.  it does more damage than some of our attacks.

[Andrew Brown]

Far from op, I haven't played a mesmer myself but from my experience I can't say I fear them like I've feared warriors.

[TYphoon34]

DJSkittles1, on 23 July 2012 - 12:35 AM, said:

Mesmers suck against players who actually no what is going on. They will just throw a target up on you and lock on and than aoe your phantasms as they burn you to the ground. If your getting 23 kill streaks while only using a greatsword which is really the most plain mesmer weapon there is. Except for mindstab and illusionary wave it really doesnt bring too much to the table. You must be paying them to die, or your just godly.

My iBerserker's 7k damage chain says hi.

[MSpurrier24]

yeah im not godly ahaha far from it, but i could not get killed? using mirror image then running when im in trouble just use decoy and blink and noone can catch me? it works reallllly well on Legacy of the Foefire, but as i was playing more today when i played khylo i got trashed by guardian. and i didn't think they were OP i think they are fine but i needed to prove a point to my friend who was ranting about it.. ( Cause i killed him =) ) Thanks guys, and i'v been playing more and sword pistol build is actually pretty effective. but the staff i feel has no range. as a Mes i want to stay back and with WoC i have to get close... Mesmer problems

[Kernave]

Not a chance, watched anet's official twitch. The mesmer looks so bad compared to the elementalist

[MSpurrier24]

Kernave, on 23 July 2012 - 05:23 AM, said:

Not a chance, watched anet's official twitch. The mesmer looks so bad compared to the elementalist

yeah exactly like if your not going to give me armor give me some range!

[Chesire]

Cataca, on 23 July 2012 - 12:13 AM, said:

And how do you do that with the icon still not being displayed on the clones? Or them spawning next to people now. Or them repeating the same patterns all the time. Or them dealing zero damage. And so on, an so forth.

People that are getting fooled are getting fooled because they are inexperienced, not  because the mesmer is amazing at deception.

Icons and Pictures were displayed on all my clones. Second time I've seen someone mention this and I have no idea why they are saying it. I pretty much did entirely SPvP when it wasn't down and targeted my clones myself as well as enemy clones--icons and pictures were both there and they are very confusing if you're not watching enemy movement.

el hefe, on 23 July 2012 - 01:14 AM, said:

other than lack of another main-hand weapon,  i think mesmer are in a good state right now.  the only thing possibly op is the #1 downed skill.  it does more damage than some of our attacks.

Nah not really. If you ask me our downed is only useful in PvE now (barely at that). At least the targeted teleport would occasionally save your ass; now we have no chance in hell.

Edited by Chesire, 23 July 2012 - 07:07 AM.

[Tzu Qui Jinn]

Every class in the game right now is more OP than the mesmer IMO; except the Theif, that is so squishy, they die upon contact.

[Potato Cat]

I was using almost exactly the same technique and I found it either very successful, or not that great. I came to the conclusion that people mistaking my clones were actually new players, as most experienced players can tell the difference. I do think we need a bit more work. A pistol mainhand for instance. Confusion on the sceptre's first skill. More health for phantasms.

[Lurenai]

Until people learn the basics of the game [they're still struggling with the idea of capturing points!] it's neigh impossible to say if something is OP or not just by score value on a match, unless it's a highly ranked one - and we still don't have many of those.

[Robsy128]

If anything, I found the mesmer underpowered. It's clearly a support class - no doubt about it - but some of the skills just didn't do much at all. Granted, I mostly played with a staff, and the only awesome skill I could see was the Cry of Pain skill (that might be wrong - it was an AoE skill that did damage as well as inflict conditions onto enemies).
However, when playing as the other classes... it just didn't match up. I felt more powerful with a ranger or elementalist than I did with a mesmer.

[Carighan]

Cataca, on 22 July 2012 - 10:38 PM, said:

And the greatsword is godawful. It might be me, personally, but i cringe inside everytime i see that pew pew laser ticking away at me with negligible damage. Also, i dont think that anyone thinks the mesmer is weak anymore, not since bwe2 where bug abusing mesmers were obliterating people with 20k damage chains.

I don't see the 2H Sword as a DPS powerhouse, tbh.
It's a really good back-row weapon in WvW though. The bouncing attack is nice utility, the spike is great for assist-targets, the berserker annoys the hell out of people on a siege engine, and the wave is good to protect other back-row players. Plus you're far enough away to at least get full damage out of the laser.

But hey, who plays Mesmer if they want to do lots of damage, anyhow? Seems like those people you meet picked the wrong class. -.-

[Arewn]

Awake, on 23 July 2012 - 01:10 AM, said:

It leaves you in a very vulnerable state and leaves you without shatter utility and possibly even dmg depending on your reliance on phantasms. I can take on multiple people by myself if they ignore my illusions, but one warrior who knows what they are doing and keeps my illusions permanently down will usually put me into a corner.

Funny you say it that way, I switched from Mesmer to Warrior at some point while PVPing and always focused down the illusions when fighting Mesmers, and they would get backed into a corner xD Its the times they catch me off guard with some good shatters before I get their illusion down and under control that I'd go down.

[That Happy Cat]

While Clones now have icons, they still have white clothes in sPvP, which means they're still obvious when targeted. Plus they still don't have off-hands and pause between attacks. I've never been confused by another Mesmer, even if I haven't targeted them or their Clones yet.

Hint: the real one is the one that's moving. If none are moving (never seen any Mesmer apart from me do this), you can 1. throw down an AoE or 2. wait for half a second and choose the one that doesn't pause.

Edited by That Happy Cat, 23 July 2012 - 09:24 AM.

[Cataca]

Carighan, on 23 July 2012 - 08:51 AM, said:

I don't see the 2H Sword as a DPS powerhouse, tbh.
It's a really good back-row weapon in WvW though. The bouncing attack is nice utility, the spike is great for assist-targets, the berserker annoys the hell out of people on a siege engine, and the wave is good to protect other back-row players. Plus you're far enough away to at least get full damage out of the laser.

But hey, who plays Mesmer if they want to do lots of damage, anyhow? Seems like those people you meet picked the wrong class. -.-

Well, in my oppinion, the greatsword is a dps weapon and as such should be measured by how good it does its job. It doesnt have great utility, isnt spikey, isnt aoe and rather weak on the debuff side. The chained attack might be good at triggering bleeds from crits, but i never tried. So for me, i would rather use any other weapon. (granted, its one of the few weapons we have that could shoot people on walls)

And mesmers are not weak for dps. You just need a very dedicated setup if you want to burst people down.

[Hirsty]

NOOOOO, they're not.

[Killyox]

TYphoon34, on 23 July 2012 - 04:46 AM, said:

My iBerserker's 7k damage chain says hi.

on targets with absolutely 0 toughness: maybe.

Edited by Killyox, 23 July 2012 - 10:28 AM.

[Trei]

That Happy Cat, on 23 July 2012 - 09:22 AM, said:

While Clones now have icons, they still have white clothes in sPvP, which means they're still obvious when targeted. Plus they still don't have off-hands and pause between attacks. I've never been confused by another Mesmer, even if I haven't targeted them or their Clones yet.

Hint: the real one is the one that's moving. If none are moving (never seen any Mesmer apart from me do this), you can 1. throw down an AoE or 2. wait for half a second and choose the one that doesn't pause.

I do delibrately pause like my clones do, when I can afford to.
It seemed to fool quite a few opponents for at least the few secs I needed.
Going stealth right after you throw a few clones out helps alot too, whether you want to flank the guy or just scoot away.

I wish there's some way to make my clones pretend to run away.

But the no-off-hand issue is pretty bad, unless your opponents are playing on small monitors screens lol.

[Banker]

mesmer was extremely storng this bwe. I have no idea how ppl can whine about the dmg tho, with full phantasm build there were few who could stand toe to toe with me on a full dmg race.

Also mesmers survivability is great so id say that mesmers probably aint OP but they arent far from it either.

~Banker