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#1 Chesire

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 02:14 PM

Since BWE1 I've been running pretty much Null Field for all of my builds. Since I only tested condition builds and not power or mantra builds, I never saw the need to try any of the other condition removal methods. So comparing them all flat out, based on what we know and how people have seen them used--which method do people consider to be the best?

Null Field (my personal choice)

-45s CD
-AE Field
-Removes enemy boons as well as conditions from you AND teammates
-Lasts 7 seconds
-Can be traited to add confusion to enemies
-Only removes boons/conditions in 2 second pulses


Mantra of Resolve

-15s CD with 4-5ish second charge
-Single target for you only
-Removes ALL conditions


Arcane Thievery

-90s CD, can be traited to 72s
-Single target
-Gives enemy boons to you and gives them your conditions


Torch Traigt

-Torch skills remove conditions
-Haven't tested this one at all so I don't really have anything else to add for it.



So which do you guys find yourselves using the most and what do you think of the other skills? Have you seen people use them effectively at all? Is Arcane Thievery worth a 90s CD or 72s with traits? How good is the Torch trait at removing conditions for power builds?

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 02:19 PM

I used both Null Field and Mantra of Resolve. If you are going for a condition removal utility Null Field is the best bang for your buck. While it pulses every two seconds it makes up for it by effecting everyone in the area as well as removing enemies boons. The last build I used I switched it out for Illusion of Life. I felt that an area rez was greater than removing conditions.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 02:31 PM

View PostDistortion24, on 26 July 2012 - 02:19 PM, said:

I used both Null Field and Mantra of Resolve. If you are going for a condition removal utility Null Field is the best bang for your buck. While it pulses every two seconds it makes up for it by effecting everyone in the area as well as removing enemies boons. The last build I used I switched it out for Illusion of Life. I felt that an area rez was greater than removing conditions.

That's what I've always used myself, I was just wondering if MoRes would be a better option. I really like the idea of removing enemy boons though and have stripped warriors and guardians of theirs in quite a few situations.

How did you like Illusion of Life?

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 02:40 PM

It turned many 2v1's back into 2v2's and sometimes 2v3's in my favor.

Edited by Distortion24, 26 July 2012 - 03:08 PM.


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Posted 26 July 2012 - 02:41 PM

If I had a Staff as one of my weapon sets, I would often use Null Field for the extra combo for Chaos Armor. Otherwise it was a toss-up because Mantra of Resolve is 1/3 of the cooldown which is good enough (for me) to offset the channel time to get to recast it.

Null Field does have the nice advantage that during its duration you don't have to worry about cleansing as it does it for each Null Field "tick" ... and it does have group and offensive components to it ... but these are all reasons it is a 45sec cooldown instead of 15, lol.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 03:38 PM

View PostSebrent_Tehroth, on 26 July 2012 - 02:41 PM, said:

If I had a Staff as one of my weapon sets, I would often use Null Field for the extra combo for Chaos Armor. Otherwise it was a toss-up because Mantra of Resolve is 1/3 of the cooldown which is good enough (for me) to offset the channel time to get to recast it.

Null Field does have the nice advantage that during its duration you don't have to worry about cleansing as it does it for each Null Field "tick" ... and it does have group and offensive components to it ... but these are all reasons it is a 45sec cooldown instead of 15, lol.

That's how I used Staff + Null Field as well. That's three ways of applying Chaos Armor so it was actually pretty nice.

What build did you use with MoRes? How did you deal with professions like Guardians and Warriors who would pretty much always be buffed to the max and have large stacks of Might on them?

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 04:07 PM

View PostChesire, on 26 July 2012 - 03:38 PM, said:

That's how I used Staff + Null Field as well. That's three ways of applying Chaos Armor so it was actually pretty nice.

What build did you use with MoRes? How did you deal with professions like Guardians and Warriors who would pretty much always be buffed to the max and have large stacks of Might on them?
I always had a sword in my builds so I was going to remove boons one way or another and I'm not scared of getting into melee with guardians and warriors thanks to distortion, stuns, and blurred frenzy (amongst other abilities ... chaos armor when you have it). I actually founds many warriors seemed to get a bit too overconfident if you weren't trying to kite them (I guess they assumed only they could melee well, lol) and it led to many of them dying as I feel I've gotten pretty good at clutch use of dodge rolls to avoid the big hits as well blurred frenzy ... especially if they try to hundred blades me; that was the source of several [evil] laughs for me.

Edited by Sebrent_Tehroth, 26 July 2012 - 04:07 PM.


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Posted 26 July 2012 - 04:21 PM

You used to be able to remove conditions on a shatter, but they moved that to Tier 3 from Tier 2 this BWE which made it compete with healing on shatter in Inspiration. :(

I like Null Field a lot, because in a fight it can be used defensively and offensively at the same time, combined with #1 on Sword it's great for someone with a couple of boons who is running or you have CDs.

I'm not too keen on Arcane Thievery because its CD is rather high and it's not really that reliable compared to a Null Field which pulses over 7 seconds.
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 07:13 PM

Null Field hands down for me. Then again I also used focus for some condition removal.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 07:56 PM

View PostXionix, on 26 July 2012 - 07:13 PM, said:

Null Field hands down for me. Then again I also used focus for some condition removal.
Good point. If you take Focus combining Temporal Curtain + iWarden is nice a Whirl Finisher condition removal for yourself and nearby allies.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 08:05 PM

See I've just been using Null Field and nothing else. Was just curious if there was a better way. I'm torn between MoRes and Null Field.

I love that Null Field can remove boons. I do use Sword in my build BUT I mostly use Blurred frenzy and torch skills, not really the #1 spammable unless I'm waiting for CD's to come up.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 08:10 PM

Null Field is certainly the top choice. I thought people said they were going to nerf before bwe3? I guess it didn't happen.
But the alternatives are pretty horrible in comparison.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 08:15 PM

A little off topic, but does anyone know if they fixed the trait that increases glamour duration. For some reason I was under the impression it didn't work in beta 2.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 09:09 PM

View PostXionix, on 26 July 2012 - 08:15 PM, said:

A little off topic, but does anyone know if they fixed the trait that increases glamour duration. For some reason I was under the impression it didn't work in beta 2.

Didn't test that trait but I don't think Far Reaching Manipulations was working so that one probably wasn't working either honestly.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 09:09 PM

View PostXionix, on 26 July 2012 - 08:15 PM, said:

A little off topic, but does anyone know if they fixed the trait that increases glamour duration. For some reason I was under the impression it didn't work in beta 2.

I tested it and it didn't work in BWE3 either so it's still bugged.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 10:31 PM

View PostXionix, on 26 July 2012 - 08:15 PM, said:

A little off topic, but does anyone know if they fixed the trait that increases glamour duration. For some reason I was under the impression it didn't work in beta 2.


it was working fo rme in bw3.


i like null field,  because of said trait.  also because it can be used offensive or defensively.




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