Ayestes, on 01 August 2012 - 02:46 PM, said:
The key is in the Adrenaline generation to use burst skills more then the direct application of damage, which to me is an indirect form of increasing your damage done.
You generally have the opinion that anything on the Warrior is extremely powerful and useful, and anything on the Thief is extremely weak and unproductive. There is nothing wrong with having an opinion, or this opinion as it's yours. You mention this an awful lot, at least enough to make an impression on me that this is your very strong opinion. It's my opinion that you grossly overestimate what the Warrior is capable of, and don't really understand them. I do think you understand the Thief pretty well and I've learned things from you on the Thief forums, but I really think you suffer form a "grass is greener on the other side" trait when it comes to Warriors.
The problem is, you can be genuinely confusing to the newer Warrior's that would be on these forums. Whirling Axe and Dagger Storm only share the Whirl Finisher properties, beyond that Dagger Storm is greatly superior to Whirling Axe. The fact that it is an Elite skill and has a long cooldown is what balances it with the rest of the game. Please tone it down a little as I do love reading your discussions and opinions, but I don't want to have to see a large chain of quotes after you've posted pointing out your errors. I'd like this to be a place of positive influence, where we discuss tactics, builds, and teach each other to improve.
I appreciate your effort to put things diplomatically but I was being serious. I played both thief and warrior extensively last BWE specifically for the purposes of comparison and speaking from experience Whirling Axe does in fact do way more than way more damage than Dagger Storm, or at the very least comparable damage. I think this is in part due to the fact that warriors have way more options to jack their damage up than thieves do, so a glass cannon warrior hits harder with anything in general than a glass cannon thief (although I don't think this really surprises anyone). I've actually one-shotted elementalists with Whirling Axe before. Once I even one-shotted two elementalists at the same time with one WA. Granted, they were bad elementalists and didn't dodge or otherwise mitigate, but huge damage is still huge damage.
Now, I didn't test this but I'm sure an untraited, same-stats Dagger Storm would do more than an untraited Whirling Axe. In practice though it doesn't work that way. With regards to other comparisons between Whirling Axe and Dagger Storm, they are both PBAOE, movement-enabled spin attacks that hit multiple times, which does make them roughly comparable. The difference is that Dagger Storm has a few other additional properties which do justify elite status, although in my opinion not a 45s cooldown. The basic use remains largely the same, i.e. killing everything around you.
You may consider this my opinion but regardless it doesn't change the fact that warriors in general do ungodly amounts of damage in general, even excepting the obvious offenders like HB and Eviscerate (just the auto-attack chain on the axe averages over 10k damage for all six hits, compared to 4-5k for most other weapons for other classes). Whether Whirling Axe is useful relative to your other axe attacks in terms of DPS is a different question, all I'm saying is that standing alone it's an incredibly powerful skill especially considering that the only other two similar skills suffer from significant drawbacks (Whirling Wrath is a semi-root while Dagger Storm is a long-CD elite).