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#1 Jerich

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 04:53 AM

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I always run out of inventory space in any MMO I play.  The main problem is that I love to craft and quest and always have a ton of those items on hand.  Here are some things I've found out about GW 2 to help me plan my storage space.

Starting Inventory

Account
  • 30 shared bank slots
  • Crafting Material / Cooking Material / Mini-Pet Storage... You can have 250 of each crafting item stored.
Per Character
  • 20 slot starter backpack
  • Four bag slots
  • You can have up to 5 characters
Bags

Basics
  • 4 slot bags can be purchased from vendors for 32 copper
  • 8 slot bags can be made by crafters (tailor, leatherworker, armorsmith) with 20 tier 1 materials (jute scrap, rawhide scraps, copper ore)
  • Each tier of crafting makes a higher quality bag (10 slots, 12 slots, 15 slots, etc).  In addition to raw materials, these higher level bags require an increasingly expensive vendor item called runes of holding.
  • 20 slot bags can be made at max level, and they require a superior rune of holding (10 gold) to make.
Specialty Bags
  • All three professions can make invisible bags (which don't show up when selling to merchants)
  • Tailors can make 8-20 slot Craftsman's Bags (New crafting materials are placed here first when looting)
  • Leatherworkers can make 8-20 slot Oiled Leather Packs (Junk items are placed here first when looting)
  • Armorsmiths can make 8-20 slot Reinforced Padded Equipment Boxes (Weapons and Armor Fill this bag First)
Gem Store Upgrades

   Free Storage
  • We start with 30 bank slots
  • Each Character Starts with a starter pack and 4 bag slots (100 maximum slots)
  • We can make 5 characters.
  • That means we all have 530 free slots without using the cash store (which is a pretty decent number considering we have seperate storage for crafting ingredients in our bank and can send crafting items to the bank while on the field)
Bank Tab Expansion
  • You can expand your bank 7 times for 600 gems each time
  • Each expansion adds another 30 slots
  • Since gems will most likely sell for 400 for $5.00, this each expansion will cost around $7.50.
  • Each extra equpment slot  bought this way is therefore 25 cents
Character Slot Expansion
  • You can buy more character slots for 800 gems
  • This is about $10.00 US currency
  • If you assume you can easily get 20 slot packs, you can get 100 equipment slots this way.
  • Each extra equipment slot bought this way is therefore 10 cents.
  • Even if we factor in the high price of 20 slot bags and just use 8 slot bags, each slot is still only 19 cents a piece
Bag Slot Upgrade
  • You can add an extra bag slot to a single character for 400 gems  (Up to 3 times)
  • This is about $5.00 US currency
  • If you assume easy 20 slot packs, this is 25 cents a slot
  • If you use 10 slot packs, this is 50 cents a slot
Tips to Maximizing Your Inventory on the Cheap

   How to get by without extra bag slots even if you are a crafter
  • Buying salvaging tools should be prioirty #1... Even if you don't craft, you will want to mine every ore node / chop down every tree you come across for experience and profit.  You can buy them from vendors in most starting areas.
  • You can buy a crude salvage kit at many renowned heart vendor for a small karma price.  Use these kits to break apart trash drops.
  • Send any crafting material directly to your bank by right clicking on it and choosing (send to bank)
  • You can quickly sell junk items to renowned heart vendors through the sell all junk items button.
  • You can post any item you think will selll (crafting ingredients will sell really well until bots ruin the market) by directly opening up the trading house.  I will write a guide on this later.
  • You can also mail items directly to an alt from the interface if you have a second account (directy from the interface without using a mailbox).  Tyr Odinson (on post 51) tested this and calculated you can get 100 extra spots of storage this way.  Check out his post here:  http://www.guildwars...ap/page__st__50
  • Using these steps, the default bag slots should be more than sufficient
Organizing your Bags
  • Ideally, I will organize my bags this way...  Starter Pack = Overflow and a space for my salvage kits
  • Bag #1 Reinforced Padded Equipment Box... All my salvagable loot will come here for me to quickly break apart or sell on auction house
  • Bag #2 Craftsman's Bag ... All crafting material will gather here for me to quickly righ click and send to bank.
  • Bag #3 Invisible Bag ... My Extra gear (extra weapons / armor, buffs, etc) that I don't want to sell on accident will go here.
  • Bag #4 Oiled Leather Pack ... Junk items will go here so I never have to sort through them.
Efficient Use of Gems
  • Buy Character Slots First:  If you find yourself running out of space... Your best bet is to make sure you are using all five of your character slots and then to buy more character slots
    • First... this is the cheapest use of gems by far (10 cents per equipment slot compared to 25 cents for the other options)
    • Second... It is quite possible that Arena Net will give each of your characters a birthday gift like they did in Guildwars 1.  These are usually worth money and on a per character basis.
  • Buy Extra Bank Slots Second:  I would only buy bank slots if you find the 30 default slots too annoying.  While not as good a deal as character slots, they are a quality of life issue and mean you won't have to mule as much.
  • Buy Extra Bag Slots Last:  These are not a good deal.  I would only buy them if you find yourself running out of working space consistantly and even then only for your main characters.
Part 2: Gem Store Upgrades vs 20-Slot Bags
As like any MMO, bags in GW2 get more expensive as you get better and better ones. Here is a table that lets you quickly see the scaling cost per inventory slot for each level of bag:

Note: (For a more detailed listing of how I calculated these numbers... go to http://gaiscioch.com...post_32754.html)

The Price of Bags
  • Starter Backpack (20 new slots):  Free!
  • 8-Slot Bags (32 new slots): 6 copper / slot
  • 10-Slot Bags (8 new slots): 3.47 silver / slot
  • 12-Slot Bags (8 new slots):  7.38 silver / slot
  • 15-Slot Bags (12 new slots):  17.60 silver / slot
  • 18-Slot Bags (12 new slots): 75 silver / slot
  • 20-Slot Bags (8 new slots):  6 gold / slot
*These costs are assuming 8 slot packs are 50 copper and other packs sell for 1.5 times the cost of the rune

The Price of Gem Store Upgrades
  • Extra Character Slot (80 new slots assuming 15 slot bags):  10 gems / slot
  • Bank Tab Expansions (30 new slots): 20 gems / slot
  • Extra Bag Slot (18 slots assuming 18 slot bags):  22.22 gems / slot   
When should you buy gem store upgrades instead of 20-slot bags?
  • Extra Character Slots:  Buy When Gems are Cheaper than 100 gems = 57 gold
  • Bank Tab Expansions:  Buy When Gems are Cheaper than 100 gems = 30 gold
  • Extra Bag Slots: Buy When Gems are Cheaper than 100 gems = 24 gold
Note: I don't think the price of 100 gems will reach 24 gold until at least a month after launch. If gems ever go over 57 gold per 100, that will probably be at least a couple months after launch. That means it will most likely be better to purchase gems for inventory upgrades instead of investing in 20 slot packs.

Edit:  Shayne Hawke created a rather epic Excel spreadsheet where you can input the current auction house price of bags.  It then tells you whether you should update your bag sizes or buy bag slots etc for EVERY type of bag.  Definitely worth checking out... Here is the Link: http://www.guildwars...ap/page__st__57

Part 3:  Adding Inventory By Purchasing Your Own Private Guildbank

We can be part of multiple guilds at once in Guildwars 2.  This means that you could create a dummy guild just for the sake of a guild bank.  While I think we should always represent our real guilds so that our task influence go to our guild, it is quite possible to buy the influence you need to purchase a guild bank.  Here are the breakdowns...

Cost of Hiring a Guild Promoter
  • 10 influence for 10 silver
  • 100 influence for 1 gold
  • 1,000 influence for 10 gold
  • 10,000 influence for 100 gold
Cost of adding a guild bank
  • 500 influence to research Architecture Level 1
  • 1,000 influence to research Architecture Level 2
  • 1,000 influence to add a 50 slot guild bank  (requires level 2)
  • 5,000 influence to research Architecture Level 3
  • ??? influence to research Architecture Level 4
  • 5,000 influence to add 100 additional slots to your guild bank (requires level 4)
  • ??? influence to research Architecture Level 5
  • 10,000 influence to add an additional 100 slots to your guild bank (requires level 5)
Analysis

This means that it will cost a mere 25 gold to add the first 50 slots to your personal guild bank.  That is about 50 silver per slot and is comparable to the jump from 15 slot packs to 18 slot packs.

While we don't know right now how much architecture level 4 and 5 will cost, let's assume that they are 10,000 and 20,000 respectively.  This means that the next 100 slots would be 200 gold or 2 gold a slot.  The final 100 would be 300 gold or 3 gold a slot.  Note that both of those are better deals than moving to 20 slot packs  (although using this route will probably take over a month of real life time).

I hope this helps!

- Jerich of Gaiscioch / Sanctum of Rall

P.S.  Thank you Shayne Hawke for pointing out a minor calculation error (which caused around a 10% error)!  I have modified the OP to reflect this.

Edited by Jerich, 04 August 2012 - 08:53 AM.


#2 correllis

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 05:05 AM

Thanks! Extremely helpful <3

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 05:09 AM

Jerich, thanks!
All the info in one place.
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 05:17 AM

Good brief Jerich and thanks!

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 05:17 AM

Excellent and well done, thank you!

I didn't think that you could mail anything to your own alts...(?)

"You can also mail items directly to an alt from the interface without using a mailbox (bank alt, mule, etc)"



I'm still considering buying a 2nd copy of the game just for the convenience of the extra bank/bag space...I'll probably end of buying at least 5 character slots anyways lol

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 05:21 AM

View PostMahaedros, on 02 August 2012 - 05:17 AM, said:

Excellent and well done, thank you!

I didn't think that you could mail anything to your own alts...(?)

"You can also mail items directly to an alt from the interface without using a mailbox (bank alt, mule, etc)"



I'm still considering buying a 2nd copy of the game just for the convenience of the extra bank/bag space...I'll probably end of buying at least 5 character slots anyways lol

I think I remember doing this BWE 1.  I'll verify this coming stress test and update the guide if I am wrong.

Edit:  I went ahead and edited that part out and changed it to secondary account. I will put it back in after testing it this coming stress test if I can mail to an alt. Also, I believe they added a send all crafting materials to bank button. Think I should add that in there?

Edited by Jerich, 02 August 2012 - 05:51 AM.


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Posted 02 August 2012 - 05:24 AM

Never knew about crafting materials and sending them to banks. :surprised:

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 05:25 AM

I recall not being allowed to mail to an alt in BWE1, but if it's not through the mailbox, then that renders my experience moot.

Regardless, thanks for the write-up.

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 07:33 AM

Thanks very much for taking the time to do this. :D

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 07:43 AM

Great read! didn't know bout the different types of crafting specific bags

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 09:04 AM

wow.. that was a fantastic guide !! thanks mate.. really well written, you earned my respect :)

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 09:29 AM

just wanted to say thanks Jerich, makes me smile when I see people being helpful and constructive...also, huge props on the guide! expertly done :lol:

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 11:02 AM

<------------ Super packrat and avid crafter

Many thanks for the info and analysis. That will help to make my wanderings through Tyria somewhat less inefficient coin-wise than it would otherwise be. :D

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 11:15 AM

Good little guide, have bookmarked it for use upon launch.  Thanks for taking the time to post it.

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 01:07 PM

Great guide.

the crafting materials bag seems pretty useless though, there is a option button in the top right of the inventory screen that you just click on and click "deposit all collectibles" and all your crafting mats instantly get organized for you in the bank. But I guess those bags might have some situational use.

Also 100 gems for 60g? If inflation gets that bad I think there is some problem somewhere.

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 01:16 PM

Great job!  Thank you for the info!!

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 01:51 PM

I just want to comment on the Guild Bank part. Remember that you can speed up each of the Research by 25% for 250% of the Research Price. I think it was that price. So a 1000 Influence Research can be instant if you pay 11000 Influence. 1000 for the start, 2500 for each 25% speedup. Also if you have say 90% left of the Research the last speedup only costs 150% of the price, so it does scale with how much time is left.

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 02:06 PM

When expanding the bank, will you also be able to store more crafting materials or will they stay at one slot of 250?

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 02:20 PM

When considering the price of gem store upgrades, why are you using 15-slot bags instead of 20-slot bags or 18-slot bags?  What method did you use to decide that 15-slot bags would be most cost-efficient to do the comparison with?

When determining when to buy gems vs. 20-slot bags, are you keeping in consideration the cost of buying those bags to fill the extra slots that you've purchased with gems?

In your column of determining the price of four bags, you make an error in determining the incremental price of a 12-slot bag (and everything beyond).  You subtracted the value in the cell above it, which is not the cost of a 10-slot bag, but rather the cost of moving from an 8-slot bag to a 10-slot bag.  You make this error in each proceeding cell.  Thus, your bank tab expansion gem-to-gold ratio should be 100 gems to 30 gold.  I'd like to be able to say then what your gem-to-gold ratio should be for bank expansions, but I don't know how exactly you are making those calculations, whether it's based on incremental costs between 15-slot and 20-slot bags, or 18-slot and 20-slot bags.

Since your math is less than transparent, I am unable to see what calculations you made to determine cost ratios for character slots or bag tabs.

Edited by Shayne Hawke, 02 August 2012 - 02:54 PM.


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Posted 02 August 2012 - 02:51 PM

It was deliberate that you cannot mail yourself items to an alt. If we could the demand and prices of extra bag and bank slots would drop through the floor. Being able to instantly mail your stuff to an alt anywhere in the world was sadly too convienent. I was not surprised that I could not do this.

Oh and the Guide was amazing none the less, especially from another guildie :)

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 03:06 PM

View PostJerich, on 02 August 2012 - 05:21 AM, said:

Edit:  I went ahead and edited that part out and changed it to secondary account. I will put it back in after testing it this coming stress test if I can mail to an alt. Also, I believe they added a send all crafting materials to bank button. Think I should add that in there?
Before I found the bank, I did try to mail to an alt in the BWE3. I was unable to do so. I'd be really surprised if this changed.

I also watched a gameplay video where someone was right clicking on each individual crafting item and sending it to the bank. He had a lot, and it was taking a while. But the "send all collectibles to the bank" button makes it fast and easy, and people should definitely be made aware of this if they're not already. I want to say that the option to send all was at the top right (drop down option from a gear icon), but memory could be playing tricks on me.

Great information overall, though. As an admitted pack rat this will be very beneficial when I inevitably run out of space.

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 03:35 PM

View PostLinfang, on 02 August 2012 - 02:51 PM, said:

It was deliberate that you cannot mail yourself items to an alt. If we could the demand and prices of extra bag and bank slots would drop through the floor. Being able to instantly mail your stuff to an alt anywhere in the world was sadly too convienent. I was not surprised that I could not do this.

Oh and the Guide was amazing none the less, especially from another guildie :)

Even though you can't mail your items to your alt, you can still mail your items to another account (e.g. a trusted friend's account).  I wonder if you can use that mailing system as a temporary storage buffer?  Is there some kind of size limit to the mail system?

Can't you ask your friend to keep your mailed items within his mail system and send them back when you need them?

Hmmm...loophole...:)

Edited by Daesu, 02 August 2012 - 03:46 PM.


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Posted 02 August 2012 - 03:43 PM

View Postnkuvu, on 02 August 2012 - 03:06 PM, said:

Before I found the bank, I did try to mail to an alt in the BWE3. I was unable to do so. I'd be really surprised if this changed.

...the "send all collectibles to the bank" button makes it fast and easy, and people should definitely be made aware of this...
I tried to mail things to my alts, too. It didn't work. I guess I didn't really expect it to... I was right-clicking individual items! I will have to check out the gear button again. I didn't even see the option there to deposit all collectibles in one click. My mouse button thanks you for this tip. ;)

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 03:46 PM

View PostDaesu, on 02 August 2012 - 03:35 PM, said:

Even though you can't mail your items to your alt, you can still mail your items to another account (e.g. a trusted friend's account).  I wonder if you can use that mailing system as a temporary storage buffer?  Is there some kind of size limit to the mail system?

Can't you ask your friend to keep your mailed items within his mail system and send them back when you need them?

I am still half tempted to just buy another account and save money on extra slots for bag, bank and character. You are right however if you have a friend you can mail items to each others mule account, which also raises another question..

Whats the mail capacity that you can send to another player? Could I just send 50 items and have them virtually stored in the mail inbox system?

Edited by Linfang, 02 August 2012 - 03:48 PM.


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Posted 02 August 2012 - 03:53 PM

View PostEqo, on 02 August 2012 - 03:43 PM, said:

I tried to mail things to my alts, too. It didn't work. I guess I didn't really expect it to... I was right-clicking individual items! I will have to check out the gear button again. I didn't even see the option there to deposit all collectibles in one click. My mouse button thanks you for this tip. ;)

is this a case of cash shop affecting game design then?

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 03:56 PM

View PostLinfang, on 02 August 2012 - 03:46 PM, said:

I am still half tempted to just buy another account and save money on extra slots for bag, bank and character. You are right however if you have a friend you can mail items to each others mule account, which also raises another question..

Whats the mail capacity that you can send to another player? Could I just send 50 items and have them virtually stored in the mail inbox system?

Yes when I first discovered how the mail system works in GW2, I already have that idea.  There is probably some kind of size limit on each account, can't imagine ANet not thinking ahead on this.  But if this limit is big enough, it can be exploited to an extend.

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 03:58 PM

Salvage everything, deposit all collectables = no problems with inventory space.
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 04:17 PM

I don't think we'll be having much trouble with inventory space, most slots will not be occupied by the simple fact that you can send your crafting materials back to the crafting station anywhere, can send items to the bank, and if even so you think you'll run out of space, just send your items to your bank and have another character pick it up for you.

This is a great guide tough, but i don't think this game will offer big problems on lack of slots even if you don't spend any money to upgrade for more space. And in the long run you'll be able to buy the gems for gold so you can still get it.

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 04:18 PM

View Postlostforever, on 02 August 2012 - 03:53 PM, said:

is this a case of cash shop affecting game design then?

I wouldn't go that far. If I have too many things in my closet, I don't package up an old pair of shoes and mail them to myself just so I can temporarily have more room in my closet. That would be silly! :D

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 04:27 PM

View PostEqo, on 02 August 2012 - 04:18 PM, said:

I wouldn't go that far. If I have too many things in my closet, I don't package up an old pair of shoes and mail them to myself just so I can temporarily have more room in my closet. That would be silly! :D

Even if that dosn't work, the most simple thing would be to send the items to your bank and make another character grab then from there.




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