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#61 Beorn The Berserker

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 06:00 PM

This is great, I'm glad you made such a big post expanding upon the discussion we had on reddit (this is ardikus from reddit)

One small thing to note is that they changed the color of legendaries from Red to Purple - this was confirmed by a developer on the beta forums post-BWE3.

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 06:35 PM

View PostBeorn The Berserker, on 06 August 2012 - 06:00 PM, said:

This is great, I'm glad you made such a big post expanding upon the discussion we had on reddit (this is ardikus from reddit)

One small thing to note is that they changed the color of legendaries from Red to Purple - this was confirmed by a developer on the beta forums post-BWE3.

That's cool but what happens to mystic forge items (previous coloured purple)?

Edited by Terra, 06 August 2012 - 06:51 PM.


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Posted 06 August 2012 - 07:39 PM

View PostTerra, on 06 August 2012 - 06:35 PM, said:

That's cool but what happens to mystic forge items (previous coloured purple)?

Those are legendary in quality.

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 11:13 PM

View PostTerra, on 04 August 2012 - 12:42 PM, said:

I've only stated known ways, not all the ways and explicitly state the word known in the faq.

And for the records, here's an example of what I meant...

havoc said:

The idea that we will easily get max stat gear at max level and will only need grind for cosmetic purposes is wrong.

http://www.guildwars...nd-you-updated/

Top level exotic gear requires extreme grind in the dungeons or extreme grind with crafting(which also depends upon obtaining ectos, and we kow how they were a grind to get in GW1.) Furthermore, the exotic gear from crafting most often has less than desirable attribute allocation, making it a poor choice compared to the gear from grinding dungeons.

This exotic gear is statistically superior to the otherwise available rare gear. There is grind in this game, and it is only optional if you can accept having sub-par gear. This is true of all MMO's and not just GW2. Those of you who say differently need to do your research (start with the thread I just linked) and stop being such fanboys.

Here we have someone using this topic as proof that earning exotic weapons will require "extreme grind".

Is there a big notice in the beginning of this topic saying that it's only listing the currently known ways? Sure.

Does this topic mention how exotic items are limited to levels of 60 and above, while we haven't seen any area for that level range yet? Sure.

Is this stopping people from claiming that it's a fact the ways listed in this topic are the only ones to get exotic items? No.

The intention was good, but this topic is too premature. It should at least be unstickied, so less people make the mistake the poster I quoted above did.

(And for the records, I hope they keep Legendary items in red.)

Edited by Teste, 07 August 2012 - 11:15 PM.


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Posted 08 August 2012 - 02:35 AM

View PostTeste, on 07 August 2012 - 11:13 PM, said:

And for the records, here's an example of what I meant...



Here we have someone using this topic as proof that earning exotic weapons will require "extreme grind".

Is there a big notice in the beginning of this topic saying that it's only listing the currently known ways? Sure.

Does this topic mention how exotic items are limited to levels of 60 and above, while we haven't seen any area for that level range yet? Sure.

Is this stopping people from claiming that it's a fact the ways listed in this topic are the only ones to get exotic items? No.

The intention was good, but this topic is too premature. It should at least be unstickied, so less people make the mistake the poster I quoted above did.

(And for the records, I hope they keep Legendary items in red.)

"Here we have someone using this topic as proof that earning exotic weapons will require "extreme grind"."

But there is 'proof' that exotics will involve grind. The word 'extreme' is subjective as many people would consider 40+ dungeon runs normal for endgame but I'm not here to argue that. What I will say is that from the information we know so far, exotics appear to need 40-50+ dungeon runs for sets or many many wvw hours. That to many people is grind, extreme to some.

What I haven't said and noone is saying but you seem to be applying is ALL exotics need 'extreme' grind. There is a big distinction in the word ALL. I do not see that in Havoc or anyone else's posts.

"Does this topic mention how exotic items are limited to levels of 60 and above, while we haven't seen any area for that level range yet? Sure."

From all the information we have at this time, there doesn't appear to be any exotics earlier than 60. That is factually correct, if you can prove otherwise then please share. I have pictures and videos of exotic 60 gear and there's quite a few of them on the web. We 'know' there isn't any masterwork gear before level 10 and we know there isn't any rare gear before 35 (technically there's one L30 rare helm piece). It makes sense that exotic will start at a higher level and the lowest exotic I could find was L60. I never said no gear under L60 isnt/ can't be exotic, but at this time the it appears exotic start at L60 and I have 'proof' of L60 gear.


""Is this stopping people from claiming that it's a fact the ways listed in this topic are the only ones to get exotic items? No."

Havoc is entitled to his opinions but a lot of what he stated is accurate as far as we know. Lets have a look at it shall we:

"Top level exotic gear requires extreme grind in the dungeons "

I've shown that exotic gear from dungeons is likely to require many more runs than for the rare equivalents. I cannot accurately predict the number of runs as dungeon tokens gained per dungeon may differ but have made estimates based upon AC.

"extreme grind with crafting(which also depends upon obtaining ectos, and we kow how they were a grind to get in GW1.)"

He's basing this on his personal experience (which he has a right to) and is talking about ecto's difficulty in GW1 and if it's similar to GW2 then crafting gear will be harder than thought. This may turn out to be true but we'll have to wait and see. In neither of these lines does he use the word ALL or ONLY.

"Furthermore, the exotic gear from crafting most often has less than desirable attribute allocation, making it a poor choice compared to the gear from grinding dungeons."

He's made an assumption here, but part of this is true. We already have a rough idea of the stats on crafted gear from gw2db and from a personal point of view it lacks vitality and toughness. This is fact. What he;s assumed is dungeon gear to be superior (which it may well be).

"This exotic gear is statistically superior to the otherwise available rare gear. "

This is fact

"There is grind in this game, and it is only optional if you can accept having sub-par gear. "

Havoc is right in saying there is grind in this game because some of the methods I've listed involve grind. The only part I dispute and is not mentioned in this guide (actually as you correctly point out that I make a point to say this guide is far from definitive) is when he says grind is compulsory or accept sub par gear. I never said there was no way of getting exotics without grind, but from the methods I have listed, a lot of them do involve grind to many people.

"The intention was good, but this topic is too premature. It should at least be unstickied, so less people make the mistake the poster I quoted above did."

The information I put in the faq is fact. As you point out, I never say this is definitive (I actually state the opposite) but I have not told people lies. The methods I have listed for obtaining exotics is accurate to the best of my knowledge but if anyone can prove there are inaccuracies I am happy to amend them.

You keep harping on about people quoting 'ALL' exotics are extreme grind or use the word ONLY. The evidence is currently showing a lot of gear requires grind but the only potential easy one may be crafting (this is subject to speculation). Who knows, there may be L80 karma merchants in Orr or Zhaitan may drop exotics. I do not have that info at this time and simply am putting facts and logic out there that we know for people to think about.

You on the other hand are getting upset because we don;t know everything and people are using what we do know and label it as definitive. That may be frustrating but we are not making things up. What happens if what I've stated to be the only ways, then what?

You also keep saying it's too early, well that's a matter of opinion. I think there is enough info out there to form some basic of what L80 will be like and how to plan ahead. I can see me saving skill points and since my weapons play such an important role to my stats, I'll be sure to take that into account rather than get +power all the time.

And just for the record I never asked for it to be stickied. But people using the faq as evidence to support their claims have every right - I don't agree if some people twist it to suggest it's definitive though. However, nothing is 'wrong' in it. It may be incomplete but it's not wrong.

So where's your proof? I know what you're going to say, you can't give me any because we have to wait until release so we can see for ourself  That's fine and we'll be able to get definitive info and improve this faq then. At this time if anyone says the methods of obtaining exotics that I've listed is definitive, feel free to correct them and say the OP does not agree with them. But if they harp on about grind, so what, there is grind to some of the ways I've listed and we have to wait for release to prove otherwise. Unless they use the word ALL or only or some kind of definitve word then I don't think what they're stating is inaccurate (from the info we have at this time).

Edited by Terra, 08 August 2012 - 02:36 AM.


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Posted 08 August 2012 - 02:46 AM

I never saw this type of thing coming....

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 03:29 AM

Big question here but didn't arena net say that the 'best' gear (hopefully meaning exotics) can be attained through crafting, or the open world/PvE and that dungeons would have gear with 'equivalent' but differently distributed statistics.

Now i know because gear at max is fairly even that people are basically calling dungeon gear exotic gear but its different in that its more like Legendaries are to exotics in that other than the stat distribution its a cosmetic gear attained only from dungeons, meaning not the open world.
Now i don't know what arena net's definition of "easily attained" is but they have been saying that max statistical gear should be fairly easily attainable by players at max level, now putting together what terra has given about gear costs (in terms of tokens) it seems that it not only varies but is fairly high in terms of the needed dungeons runs for "dungeon gear", so basically what we can guess from here is that at level 80 attaining the "dungeon gear" will take some work, which is cool as its mostly supposed to be cosmetic with a little stat distribution change, and with the slight changes it shouldn't be a big change in its actual effectiveness.

The posts is very informative though considering the little we have seen of the game, nice collecting all that and a good presentation, i guess some people can only hope for the 60+ content to drop them every now and then (they are on the top of the rarity item chain after all) but if we compare the WvW estimates to the dungeons ones both are fairly long although the difference is very slight unless they both have cosmetic differences like the crafted items the top seems really like an excuse to grind, not really needed but not totally useless either.

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 07:16 AM

View PostTeste, on 07 August 2012 - 11:13 PM, said:

And for the records, here's an example of what I meant...



Here we have someone using this topic as proof that earning exotic weapons will require "extreme grind".

Is there a big notice in the beginning of this topic saying that it's only listing the currently known ways? Sure.

Does this topic mention how exotic items are limited to levels of 60 and above, while we haven't seen any area for that level range yet? Sure.

Is this stopping people from claiming that it's a fact the ways listed in this topic are the only ones to get exotic items? No.

The intention was good, but this topic is too premature. It should at least be unstickied, so less people make the mistake the poster I quoted above did.

(And for the records, I hope they keep Legendary items in red.)

I don't think this topic is any more premature than, for instance, a wiki would be.  If this topic shouldn't be here because of the possibility of being misconstrued as being all-inclusive, then surely the official wiki is an even more grievous offender, is it not?

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 09:23 AM

The difference between GW2 and most other MMOs is, that there won't be any gear treadmill. Yes, you will have to do some grinding, to get the best gear in the game. But that's it. There won't be an Addon in 4 month where the current max. gear will become crap. There won't be tier 12 gear in 2 years. If you get your exotic now, you can rest assured that it is the best gear forever or at least for a very long time.

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 09:52 AM

View PostShoros, on 08 August 2012 - 09:23 AM, said:

The difference between GW2 and most other MMOs is, that there won't be any gear treadmill. Yes, you will have to do some grinding, to get the best gear in the game. But that's it. There won't be an Addon in 4 month where the current max. gear will become crap. There won't be tier 12 gear in 2 years. If you get your exotic now, you can rest assured that it is the best gear forever or at least for a very long time.

This is absolutely true unless they raise the level cap.

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 12:43 PM

Best thread I've read since the BWE's started, srsly!

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 01:42 PM

Exotic = Level 60-80


in bwe2 i had lv 51 exotic from mystic forge

dont know if they change it to lv 60 after or it is from 50-80

not like it is important anyway

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 02:05 PM

View Postninoffmaniak, on 08 August 2012 - 01:42 PM, said:

Exotic = Level 60-80


in bwe2 i had lv 51 exotic from mystic forge

dont know if they change it to lv 60 after or it is from 50-80

not like it is important anyway

Do you have a screenshot or video. If you do then I'll amend the faq ^^

Edit: Also Nino, if you do have proof, do you remember what ingredients you used to get the exotic?

Edited by Terra, 08 August 2012 - 02:11 PM.


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Posted 08 August 2012 - 05:12 PM

Anyone know if the Bloodstone Shards are bound to the character, account or not bound at all?

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 07:06 PM

There's only a grind to get these prestige sets. Instead you can just go to Orr, use karma to get max armors and stuff.

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 07:12 PM

The idea of grinding for top stat gear isn't appealing. I'd rather grind for appearance gear. On the other hand, based on testimonies of high level people in WvW it seems like it will drop there a fair amount and I do wonder how frequently we will see top level exotic gear drop in regular PvE at level 80 too. I expect it'll be frequent enough to get everyone 2-3 pieces just by leveling. That's just a theory though. Nobody can say for sure how hard it's going to be to get this exotic gear.

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 07:54 PM

View PostMikeFish, on 08 August 2012 - 07:12 PM, said:

The idea of grinding for top stat gear isn't appealing. I'd rather grind for appearance gear. On the other hand, based on testimonies of high level people in WvW it seems like it will drop there a fair amount and I do wonder how frequently we will see top level exotic gear drop in regular PvE at level 80 too. I expect it'll be frequent enough to get everyone 2-3 pieces just by leveling. That's just a theory though. Nobody can say for sure how hard it's going to be to get this exotic gear.

Well here's to hoping that its fairly easy, as i have no problem whatsoever grinding for cosmetic or 'different' gear but too much time consuming tasks for just max gear can be annoying, although as i said before it doesn't seem the difference is a lot, looks like just with the range of damage and crits alone the difference would ease.

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Question to terra but is WvW gear cosmetically different also, well since there is currently no PvE exotic gear you can't really tell but is there any word that its supposed to be?

Edited by nf_zeta, 08 August 2012 - 07:56 PM.


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Posted 08 August 2012 - 08:09 PM

beta is beta and things are changing constantly. According to TB who ran the dungeons (alongside a developer?) loot tables aren't final, so who can say for sure how many tokens we get for a successful run?

+1 for teste's posts

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 08:10 PM

very nice guild..thanks!

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 11:44 PM

View Postnf_zeta, on 08 August 2012 - 07:54 PM, said:

Well here's to hoping that its fairly easy, as i have no problem whatsoever grinding for cosmetic or 'different' gear but too much time consuming tasks for just max gear can be annoying, although as i said before it doesn't seem the difference is a lot, looks like just with the range of damage and crits alone the difference would ease.

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Question to terra but is WvW gear cosmetically different also, well since there is currently no PvE exotic gear you can't really tell but is there any word that its supposed to be?

I screen shotted the exotic invader gear at 60 (light armour) -see post #53 on page 2. I have the heavy armour too if your're interested. They're not that great imo but the level 80 stuff will probably be better. That being said, I think (don't quote me as I don;t play light armour clases!) that the L60 wvw scholar skin I've linked is unique.

The L60 heavy armour wvw exotic gear looks like L30 chainmail gear to me.

And when you say PvE exotics, I presume you're talking about crafted ones? Yeah, we don't know what they look like but based on how crafting works at lower levels, regardless of insignias, the heavy/ medium/ light armour sets are likely to share the same skin.

View PostMr. Mango, on 08 August 2012 - 07:06 PM, said:

There's only a grind to get these prestige sets. Instead you can just go to Orr, use karma to get max armors and stuff.

This is entirely possible but no one other than AN and the internal beta tests know this at this time. If you 'know' for one reason or another that's cool Mango but I wouldn't talk about it further otherwise you may get an infraction. However, if you're not a beta tester then feel free to discuss away^^

Edited by Terra, 08 August 2012 - 11:47 PM.


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Posted 09 August 2012 - 01:20 PM

View PostTerra, on 03 August 2012 - 04:37 PM, said:

Level 80 Exotic Greatsword B
Power179
Toughness98
Vitality98
Crit Damage 5%

To compensate for the crit damage bonus to weapon B, it's vitality and toughness stats were reduced. However, AN have reduced them proportionately to so that both weapons have equal "power" overall. This does not mean A will hit as hard as B.

Instead, add all the attribute points in weapon A (it comes to 435) and weapon B (comes to 375 + 5% crit damage). AN value the 5% crit damage to be equivalent to 50 primary attribute points. Don't like it? Don't get it!

Most weapons will only have 3 stats at 80 but remember this:
  • Weapons have stats to represent the stats taken from amulets. Whenever you are picking gear, the sum total of all the stats on all pieces of gear is equivalent to one amulet. Yes that includes the weapon and accessories. In fact weapons make up almost 25% of an amulet!

This is incorrect. Any assumption of total summed stat equivalency is provably wrong.
  • Celestial Amulet gives 53 more stat points than Berserker's Amulet.
  • Rampager's Jewel gives 15 more stat points than Soldier's Jewel.
  • Crit damage is worth approx 19 points/percent on amulets, but only 9 points/percent on jewels.


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Posted 09 August 2012 - 02:52 PM

Hopefully they add exotic items to karma vendors. Surprised the currency would just suddenly be useless at 80.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 03:13 PM

Nice Guide, really well worked out...

But... What happened to all that stuff that was being spoon feed to us about gear not mattering? That all of then would be the same as long it was the same level? So i guess there WILL be grinding in this game...

So i guess their manifesto thing was lying in a way...

Edited by Ingway, 09 August 2012 - 03:22 PM.


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Posted 09 August 2012 - 03:26 PM

View PostIngway, on 09 August 2012 - 03:13 PM, said:

Nice Guide, really well worked out...

But... What happened to all that stuff that was being spoon feed to us about gear not mattering? That all of then would be the same as long it was the same level? So i guess there WILL be grinding in this game...

So i guess their manifesto thing was lying in a way...

the same level as in level requirement and quality level. Also, bear in mind that as mentioned in the OP's disclaimer, this is only a fraction of the information we have. There may or may not be a way to get exotic lvl 80 gear using karma/gold. At this point we simply don't know

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 03:32 PM

View Posttallanx, on 09 August 2012 - 03:26 PM, said:

the same level as in level requirement and quality level. Also, bear in mind that as mentioned in the OP's disclaimer, this is only a fraction of the information we have. There may or may not be a way to get exotic lvl 80 gear using karma/gold. At this point we simply don't know

Yeah i get that, but i remenbered people saying left and right, that if you worked to get an item say an white or even blue rarity item, you wouldn't fall behind in stats, you would still be equal to others with gear that was more rare. Even if more ways to get said gear are implemented, that still dosn't change the fact that they are adding gear progression, while they always said it was all about the "appearence" from the item.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 03:58 PM

View PostIngway, on 09 August 2012 - 03:32 PM, said:

Yeah i get that, but i remenbered people saying left and right, that if you worked to get an item say an white or even blue rarity item, you wouldn't fall behind in stats, you would still be equal to others with gear that was more rare. Even if more ways to get said gear are implemented, that still dosn't change the fact that they are adding gear progression, while they always said it was all about the "appearence" from the item.

ah, but Anet never said that, well-meaning but misinformed people did, what Anet said is that there will be a gear plateau. Gear progression will always exist since lvl 10 gear is obviously worse than level 80 gear. But as long as there is a plateau and it looks like there is (legendaries have same stats as exotics), it will be fine.

You can think of it as how in GW1:

White items generally have no mods or any special features.
Blue items might have some special features and sometimes some mods, but not often.
Purple tend to have at least 1 mod, usually close to the min value.
Golds generally have more than 1 mod and usually perfect or near perfect. BUT non max damage golds also existed.
Greens have perfect mods.
And everything after green all have the same stats as a green.
Max level collector weapons have the same stats as greens, no mods but their special features are also max just like greens.
Same thing with max level crafted weapons/armor.

The system they have in GW2 is very similar. The biggest difference is that equipment in GW2 have non-dmg stats on them, so they differentiate the different tiers using those stats instead of things like "+15% damage (health >50%)" vs "+12% damage (health > 50%)"

So if you think of the exotics (orange) of GW2 as the greens of GW1, then it's fine. Weapon/armor crafters are now actual people instead of NPCs. Collectors from GW1 is basically the dungeon token collectors from GW2.

Edit: I'm colorblind, so not 100% sure on those GW1 colours

Edited by tallanx, 09 August 2012 - 04:00 PM.


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Posted 09 August 2012 - 05:02 PM

View PostTerra, on 08 August 2012 - 02:35 AM, said:

What I haven't said and noone is saying but you seem to be applying is ALL exotics need 'extreme' grind. There is a big distinction in the word ALL. I do not see that in Havoc or anyone else's posts.

Right. Havoc said that "There is grind in this game, and it is only optional if you can accept having sub-par gear", meaning that unless someone were willing to accept sub-par gear, that person would have to grind to get items. Which means, he is saying that all weapons with maxed stats - in other words, exotic weapons - need grind. The fact he has not used the word "all" is rather irrelevant, as a minimum of reading comprehension makes clear.

If your best argument as to why this topic would not deleterious is arguing semantics, well... I wonder if a mod would remove this if I reported it.

View PostArek, on 08 August 2012 - 07:16 AM, said:

If this topic shouldn't be here because of the possibility of being misconstrued as being all-inclusive, then surely the official wiki is an even more grievous offender, is it not?

You are arguing possibilities, while I am using facts. Or, to say the same thing in other words: have you ever seen the official wiki being used as "proof" of a misleading statement such as havoc has done, and as some others have mistakingly did in this topic? Ergo, you can claim that the official wiki could be misconstructed to be all inclusive, but the fact is, this topic is being misconstructed while the official wiki is not.

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 05:44 PM

View PostTeste, on 09 August 2012 - 05:02 PM, said:

Right. Havoc said that "There is grind in this game, and it is only optional if you can accept having sub-par gear", meaning that unless someone were willing to accept sub-par gear, that person would have to grind to get items. Which means, he is saying that all weapons with maxed stats - in other words, exotic weapons - need grind. The fact he has not used the word "all" is rather irrelevant, as a minimum of reading comprehension makes clear.

If your best argument as to why this topic would not deleterious is arguing semantics, well... I wonder if a mod would remove this if I reported it.



You are arguing possibilities, while I am using facts. Or, to say the same thing in other words: have you ever seen the official wiki being used as "proof" of a misleading statement such as havoc has done, and as some others have mistakingly did in this topic? Ergo, you can claim that the official wiki could be misconstructed to be all inclusive, but the fact is, this topic is being misconstructed while the official wiki is not.

Why don't you match the quotes with my statements or is that too hard?

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"There is grind in this game, and it is only optional if you can accept having sub-par gear. "

Havoc is right in saying there is grind in this game because some of the methods I've listed involve grind. The only part I dispute and is not mentioned in this guide (actually as you correctly point out that I make a point to say this guide is far from definitive) is when he says grind is compulsory or accept sub par gear. I never said there was no way of getting exotics without grind, but from the methods I have listed, a lot of them do involve grind to many people.


Did you read what I wrote, I explicitly state if Havoc was implying that ALL exotics require grind, then I don't agree with this as there is no way to categorically prove this at this time.

However, I broke down his points and offered some rationale as why he used my post to support his statement.

Meanwhile, you cling on to your so called 'facts' (your word not mine) that everything I am saying is wrong or misinformed but have offered no evidence to show otherwise. You have not shown that there are Karma vendors in Orr (there may well be), you have not shown me exotics drop off mobs (there may well be), you have not shown me anything. How can you argue that what I have written is 'wrong' if you can't provide anything to the contrary.

People may twist what I say (that's life and you should know that by now) but when people make statements that you don't agree with then you should debate it with them and correct them if you feel so strong about it.

Instead you come here and say we don't know everything don't talk about it - what are forums for then?.

You use the word 'misconstructed' - what has been miscontructed? If I make errors (I am human after all) I listen to them and adjust as needed. But you haven't pointed out anything. Just whined. Why don't you get some of your so called facts and let's have a proper discussion.

Bottom line, yes we don't now everything but what we do know has been put in a post which I feel is both constructive, logical and fact based. I have not made things up and not postulated on what there might be.

"If your best argument as to why this topic would not deleterious is arguing semantics, well... I wonder if a mod would remove this if I reported it."

You do realise a mod stickied this not me, but hey. What are you going to say, I don't like well constructed faqs because they are not definitive (even if the OP claims they are not definitive). Or maybe you don't like it when other people twits what are written in faqs?

Go ahead, I've had enough 'discussions' with you and don't wish to derail this thread any further answering your annoying bickering.


#89 Teste

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 05:54 PM

View PostTerra, on 09 August 2012 - 05:44 PM, said:

Did you read what I wrote

Yes. You have said multiple times that no one has claimed all exotic weapons require grind:

View PostTerra, on 08 August 2012 - 02:35 AM, said:

What I haven't said and noone is saying but you seem to be applying is ALL exotics need 'extreme' grind. There is a big distinction in the word ALL. I do not see that in Havoc or anyone else's posts.

View PostTerra, on 08 August 2012 - 02:35 AM, said:

In neither of these lines does he use the word ALL or ONLY.

View PostTerra, on 08 August 2012 - 02:35 AM, said:

Unless they use the word ALL or only or some kind of definitve word then I don't think what they're stating is inaccurate (from the info we have at this time).

However, havoc was clearly stating that all exotic weapons require grind (as those who don't want to grind would have to accept substandard items).

Ergo, you are wrong.

Simple as that. The fact you like to write the word "all" in caps and bolded so often only helps to show how wrong you are, in fact.

Your topic fails to point properly enough how the information you have is, at best, lacking. It has led multiple people to the same wrong assumption (that we would know all the ways to get exotic items in the game). That, for the records, is a fact. Therefore, your topic is more a hidrance than a contribution to this forum.

Edited by Teste, 09 August 2012 - 05:55 PM.


#90 Terra

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Posted 09 August 2012 - 06:21 PM

View PostTeste, on 09 August 2012 - 05:54 PM, said:

Simple as that. The fact you like to write the word "all" in caps and bolded so often only helps to show how wrong you are, in fact.

Wrong, It's bolded because it's important. The word all changes everything or have you never done MCQ's? Unless it's explicitly stated it is not fact. And I go onto say if he was implying 'all' then I don't agree.

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Your topic fails to point properly enough how the information you have is, at best, lacking. It has led multiple people to the same wrong assumption (that we would know all the ways to get exotic items in the game). That, for the records, is a fact. Therefore, your topic is more a hidrance than a contribution to this forum.

There have been over 8000 views and if a handful don't read the disclaimer then that's unfortunate but it's not the article but the individual. My topic talks about a lot more than just how you get exotics too but hey that's probably a hindrance too.

I'll tell you what isn't a fact which you seem to be claiming is, that there are more ways to obtain exotics. Unless you are an internal beta or AN dev tester no one knows for sure. Prove to me there are other ways, without proof it's not fact. Get your definitions of the word fact before you keep stating that.

Are there likely to be other ways? Probably but that's not fact.

I can only talk about what AN have said, what I've experienced in the beta and what's available to us non-testers. If I could fill in all the blanks I would.

You're stubborn in your view and that's blinded you. Show me what in my faq is causing a 'hindrance' and be constructive and make suggestions. Stop whining like a child and grow up. You have provided nothing to this thread other than cluttered it.

Oh, I'm still waiting for your evidence to show me these other ways of obtaining exotics - seriously, it would make this faq better. But I guess I'm holding my breath.





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