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#151 Baktwerel

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 01:17 PM

View PostDeuzerre, on 05 August 2012 - 12:40 PM, said:

I find them strangely more disturbing. They tried to make them look too "Humanised" somehow, with human haircuts and stuff.

You could always make them bald, they look surprisingly good that way and you can use the skin patterns to make it seem less bland and simple.

#152 Kilconey

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 01:38 PM

View PostArdeni, on 05 August 2012 - 05:32 AM, said:

I don't really think you can say that. I doubt that lore would contain information about which race is the most intelligent; at least that would be a weird and somewhat racist approach from Arenanet and I don't think that they'd want to give that kind of picture of the game. Intelligence seems to be the key feature of the Asura, whose technology actually seems superior to Charr technology in my opinion. Their technology seems rather futuristic while Charr technology is somewhat steampunk, at least by the looks of it. Also, if you only consider about technology as the measure of intelligence, you're wrong.

Not all the races seem to be interested in technology. The sylvari and the norn seem to be more interested in nature than in technology. We can take examples from the real world as well. Would you say that the native americans were less intelligent than Europeans in the 1500s/1600s?  Or would you say that the Chinese were less intelligent than Europeans in the 1800s? At least I wouldn't go there.

I wouldn't say that the Charr are any less intelligent either but it is just their appearance that leads one to think that way. If you have a short, small guy with glasses, a bodybuilder and a normally built "average" guy in a row, whom do you think that the public would vote to be the least intelligent if they knew nothing more about the people than their appearance? Another thing that actually bothers me in the Charr is that I can't tell apart their female and male characters unless they say something.

Charr have been able to accomplish in 200-250 years what the humans have tried to accomplish in a century.
As for the Asura, I said that they were more advanced, Norn I agree dont have sue for technology, but Sylvari,
we dont know about the Sylvari... Just because they are plants does not they dislike technology, they just haveant had time to create any.

All I am saying is at present, the Charr have the second most technological prowess.

#153 Majic

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 02:09 PM

View PostKilconey, on 05 August 2012 - 01:38 PM, said:

we dont know about the Sylvari... Just because they are plants does not they dislike technology, they just haveant had time to create any.

Actually, they have rather sophisticated technology based on -- surprise! -- plants.

Examples include seed pod mortars, a seed pod elevator in the capital, use of luminous plants for lighting, plants that make draughts which grant buffs, roots that, er, root and so on. There's a surprisingly wide range of Sylvari technology, all based on the plant theme.

Where the Asura are heavy into inorganic tech, the Sylvari are into biotech.

Anyway, I know this is a Charr thread, and a thread about Charr not getting the love, no less, but I thought I would mention it. :)

#154 Ardeni

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 02:09 PM

View PostKilconey, on 05 August 2012 - 01:38 PM, said:

Charr have been able to accomplish in 200-250 years what the humans have tried to accomplish in a century.
As for the Asura, I said that they were more advanced, Norn I agree dont have sue for technology, but Sylvari,
we dont know about the Sylvari... Just because they are plants does not they dislike technology, they just haveant had time to create any.

All I am saying is at present, the Charr have the second most technological prowess.

If you read the quote that I took from you, you said "They are also the second most intelligent race in all of Tyria, and have technology superior then that of Norn, Sylvari, and Asura". I guess that you accidentially wrote Asura there then.

Either way, I can't really comment on this as I never played GW1 (and thus I can't know about the technology that the Charr used there). I can point out, however, that whether somebody succeeds in technological process isn't always a good way to measure his intelligence. I am purely playing a guessing game here, but it could be that due to the troubles that humans had to face during the 200-250 years, they would not have had the resources to develope their technology as fast as the Charr who were having some sort of a golden age while they claimed back their old lands.

As for the Sylvari, it is true that the fact that they are plants and they love nature doesn't mean that they hate technology. But you said it yourself. It could be that they haven't had time to create any. This hardly means that they are less intelligent than the Charr as you can't buy more time with intelligence, can you?

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 05:25 PM

View PostMajic, on 05 August 2012 - 02:09 PM, said:

Actually, they have rather sophisticated technology based on -- surprise! -- plants.

Examples include seed pod mortars, a seed pod elevator in the capital, use of luminous plants for lighting, plants that make draughts which grant buffs, roots that, er, root and so on. There's a surprisingly wide range of Sylvari technology, all based on the plant theme.

Where the Asura are heavy into inorganic tech, the Sylvari are into biotech.

Anyway, I know this is a Charr thread, and a thread about Charr not getting the love, no less, but I thought I would mention it. :)

Never thought of it that way, cool.

View PostArdeni, on 05 August 2012 - 02:09 PM, said:

If you read the quote that I took from you, you said "They are also the second most intelligent race in all of Tyria, and have technology superior then that of Norn, Sylvari, and Asura". I guess that you accidentially wrote Asura there then.

Either way, I can't really comment on this as I never played GW1 (and thus I can't know about the technology that the Charr used there). I can point out, however, that whether somebody succeeds in technological process isn't always a good way to measure his intelligence. I am purely playing a guessing game here, but it could be that due to the troubles that humans had to face during the 200-250 years, they would not have had the resources to develope their technology as fast as the Charr who were having some sort of a golden age while they claimed back their old lands.

As for the Sylvari, it is true that the fact that they are plants and they love nature doesn't mean that they hate technology. But you said it yourself. It could be that they haven't had time to create any. This hardly means that they are less intelligent than the Charr as you can't buy more time with intelligence, can you?

Accidently typed Asura sorry. :D
As stated they HAVE bio-tech and remember, Sylvari haveant really found what they want to be yet, who knows, maybe in a hundred years they will have space ships. :3

Also, in the original Guild Wars they had little to no technology.

Finnaly, I take back that they are "smarter" yet I do not accept that any other race has a more superior intellect, or agility. (except for Asura).

#156 Hopix

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 05:38 PM

How can people not like the Charr running animation?? It's amazing.

The thing that puts me off playing with one however is the starting area, I wasn't too keen on it.

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 05:45 PM

I don't mind the runnning animation, i actually like it in a way. I also like their culture and tecnology, they have FREAKING TANKS, in their home capital, asura have many types of advanced things but i also like the ones the charr offer.

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 05:56 PM

I think some people shy away from them because they were the main antagonist in the previous series. But a lot of other people (including me) like them a lot because they are unique (no other game has them), they have a high cool factor, and they are way cooler than the other races at least imo. I mean I can't see how people think tall humans, goblin/mouse things, or plant people are cooler than warrior lion/cats. When I picture a charr with a legendary weapon, some sweet armor and some aviator shades I think it would look way cooler on a charr than another race.

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 05:59 PM

View Postlazykoala, on 05 August 2012 - 05:56 PM, said:

I think some people shy away from them because they were the main antagonist in the previous series. But a lot of other people (including me) like them a lot because they are unique (no other game has them), they have a high cool factor, and they are way cooler than the other races at least imo. I mean I can't see how people think tall humans, goblin/mouse things, or plant people are cooler than warrior lion/cats. When I picture a charr with a legendary weapon, some sweet armor and some aviator shades I think it would look way cooler on a charr than another race.

Totally, I mean, what can beat a cat in shades!?!?

Edited by Kilconey, 05 August 2012 - 05:59 PM.


#160 Jerich

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 06:05 PM

Char are so big they suffer from Camera constraints in tight corners and feel like they are running slow.  Char with the size set to minimum is more playable.

#161 Lhim

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 06:25 PM

I really like the charr. I'm still pondering if my main will be charr or not. One thing that puts me off though are their armors.
Does anybody know if you are able to make certain parts invisible or is that only for headpieces?
To create something like this:
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Posted 05 August 2012 - 06:40 PM

View PostLhim, on 05 August 2012 - 06:25 PM, said:

Does anybody know if you are able to make certain parts invisible or is that only for headpieces?

You can make the heads and shoulders invisible, but not anything else so far.

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 07:13 PM

View PostAlienMagi, on 05 August 2012 - 10:27 AM, said:

That always tends to look retarded

thats how the tengu ran in gw1.

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 07:44 PM

charr is my favourite warrior race. i just couldnt roll anything else.

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 07:51 PM

View PostLhim, on 05 August 2012 - 06:25 PM, said:

I really like the charr. I'm still pondering if my main will be charr or not. One thing that puts me off though are their armors.
Does anybody know if you are able to make certain parts invisible or is that only for headpieces?
To create something like this:
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You can only hide helmets and pauldrons, but many Charr racial armors have exposed arms and chests.

#166 Shadow Heart

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 01:19 AM

I absolutely love the Charr Females, I find them very adorable. I'm 90% sure I'm going to make my Warrior a female Charr, which will be my main character.

Edited by Shadow Heart, 06 August 2012 - 03:22 AM.


#167 Elan

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 01:28 AM

I am firmly in the Charr camp.  I see their facets.  Some just see the brute, most never see the predator, and many predators use hunting tactics that are more complex than mindless violence.  Stalking and ambush are very cat like things, too, so I see the existence of brutish raw power and bulk equally as valid as a sleek, quiet stalker.  They also offer a distinct silhouette unlike the other humanoids - Asura being the exception.

I'm also a fan of the steampunk style architecture, even if I'm not a fan of the color pallet that's associated with it.  They have a gorgeous starting zone and an incredible home city.  Plus, from a lore standpoint, I can relate more with a race of entities which rely on no god, only their own capabilities, and who value being relatively honest and extremely loyal to their friends.

Edited by Elan, 06 August 2012 - 01:34 AM.


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Posted 06 August 2012 - 03:21 AM

In Guild Wars 1, Pyre Fierceshot is what got me interested in the charr. Upon hearing that the humans had stolen their land, I was firmly on the charr's side. Then, when I heard that you could play one in Guild Wars 2, I had a couple of reactions. First: "Yay!" Second "Oh, God--that means I'll have to put up with the females" (My mental image was of a mega-boobed female worgen)

However, after reading the female charr's lore and seeing what they looked like, I was hooked. My mains will be a pair of charr siblings--one female, and one male.

Anyway, I think the charr are less popular because people who have just come to Guild Wars 2 see them as the typical "Beast/orc race". The Guild Wars 2 charr page encourages this stereotype with its limited information. I think if people read through all their lore, they would see the charr as a truly deep and well-rounded group--but then most people aren't lore nerds who would go out looking.

Also, I'm actually kind of shocked that people have trouble telling the genders apart--in some cases I think it's TOO obvious. It's good that they're allowing people to make a "kitten" face, because more options are always nice--but personally I think the kitten-females look like a totally different species from the males & the fiercer females.

Even if you have the bulkiest, most masculine female covered from head to toe in heavy armor, you can still instantly tell because of the tail. So I don't see the problem -shrug-

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 03:45 AM

I always play the most non human appearing race, even in my tabletop days I played a Gnoll lol, Most mmorpgs do not go far enough with this for me because always want playable Two headed rock trolls, Naga snake people, Rat people, Lizard people, demons, Djinns, Kobolds, Wemics, you name it. the only humanoid race I have been dying to play in an mmorpg is Sea Elves or maybe Githyanki or Githzerai .. actually the Entire Dark Sun Setting would be fine thank  you. Like they will ever make an interesting D@D mmo.

Anyway yeh, Charr is for me, Necromancer Charr at that.

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 03:48 AM

Easily explained: Charr are furries.

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 03:52 AM

didn't someone say the charr got all of their technology by raiding abandoned dwarf holdings?

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 03:53 AM

Anyone else pick the Charr because of the "presearing factor"? I was a huge presearing buff long before it permapre was becoming the norm in GW1, and the Charr's culture just reminds me of that. I don't know, just fits.

Edited by Own Age Myname, 06 August 2012 - 03:54 AM.


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Posted 06 August 2012 - 03:54 AM

Hmm...  While my main will be Human, one of my alts will be a Charr Engineer.  So got it all covered!!  :)

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 09:43 AM

Charr would've been my main race if not for the lovable little midgets. My only dislike for them (along with the Norn) is due to their size it seems like they are moving in slow motion.

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 10:57 AM

It's strange, charr has the best abilities for WvW.
Battle Roar, Artillery Barrage/Charrzooka are great skills in mass pvp.

#176 Ingway

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 12:59 PM

View PostElusive, on 06 August 2012 - 10:57 AM, said:

It's strange, charr has the best abilities for WvW.
Battle Roar, Artillery Barrage/Charrzooka are great skills in mass pvp.

That still debatable, there are loads of racial skills that are also great in WvW.

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 01:10 PM

View PostElusive, on 06 August 2012 - 10:57 AM, said:

It's strange, charr has the best abilities for WvW.
Battle Roar, Artillery Barrage/Charrzooka are great skills in mass pvp.
If they play out to be disproportionately good, they'll get nerfed.





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