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#1 Gormr

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 08:00 PM

I'm fairly new to MMO's and I'm a little confused about people roleplaying vs not roleplaying with GW2.  I kind of thought that all players more or less roleplayed with their character, because technically this is an mmoRPG.  At least for PvE, where you would try and get into the story at least a little bit.  I could see that when you're in PvP, roleplaying isn't at all a part of it.

Now after reading various posts on here it seems like people who RP are a fairly small minority of the total players.  What is considered RPing?  Is it only when you're fully into the fantasy world and play like its real and your character is its own real person (being)?  Or I guess more importantly, what is considered NOT RPing?  For non RPers, does that mean you're just focused on fighting and killing monsters without caring about the storyline behind it?

Just to be clear, I don't have anything against playing one way or the other or the people who do.  I don't even know which way I play or will play.  I'm just looking for a little info on all this.  And I guess some info on how non RPers play the game.

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 08:04 PM

View Posttechmech28, on 05 August 2012 - 08:00 PM, said:

Is it only when you're fully into the fantasy world and play like its real and your character is its own real person (being)?

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 08:04 PM

Roleplaying is more than just getting into the story, almost everyone does that in PvE.

Roleplaying is playing with other players as if you're actually the character, more than just getting immersed into the story. When roleplaying you generally treat everything as if you were in the game and a different person. It's kind of like storytelling while you're acting the part of your character. Unless you're in private chat, generally your speech is as if you were in-game as well.

Edited by Alaroxr, 05 August 2012 - 08:04 PM.


#4 Syncline

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 08:06 PM

You know when your character responds to an NPC?

Roleplayers respond to other roleplayers like their character would have responded if the other player were an NPC.

It's not that complicated. :3

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 08:07 PM

Roleplaying as referred to in this context is more a combination of creative/collaborative writing and improv acting within the constraints of the game world.

We have a roleplaying discussion subforum, by the way, folks!

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 08:11 PM

View PostFaowri, on 05 August 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:

Roleplaying as referred to in this context is more a combination of creative/collaborative writing and improv acting within the constraints of the game world.

We have a roleplaying discussion subforum, by the way, folks!

I was about to post that it's basically like acting. You're an actor playing the role of your character in this movie, or more like series, called Guild Wars. :cool:

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 08:18 PM

From what I've seen, there's various degrees of RP. Some people take roleplaying to heart and go 'hardcore' so to speak. They're the sort of bunch that gets offended when they see immersion-breaking xXlolipwnXx names and so forth.
Then there's people who like to dive deep into the story and make choises according to what they feel the toon they control would make even though the gamer would know that another option would yield better results, for example.
There's people who take casual "RP-breaks" aka go to local RP hub (taverns etc) and chat a bit acting as the character would be alive in the world.
All kinds out there.

Non-RP'er would be your typical gamer who's mainly interested in seeing the cool content the game has to offer. He's seeking pirmarily epic gear and encounters. He wants to check out the game mechanics and enjoys the gameplay without adding any self-made depth to it.

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 08:19 PM

Although others have covered, sort of, what roleplayers do in game... I'll go into previous experiences with RP servers (GW2 does not have an official RP server).

RP servers, or roleplaying servers, were made for the RP player community.  Part of the reason why many people rolled on those servers was because in general, the overall tone of the community was somewhat "more mature"... and what I mean by that is there was slightly less Barrens chat, or "out of character (OCC)" chat... like you can use general chat etc. but in general, keep it to gameplay.... not talk about Justin Beiber or what you did this weekend or how many cars you can fit in your garage etc.

More so, many people enjoyed the fact that there weren't character names like XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX or Paris Hiltoncharr, or Barackombamafro, etc.  On RP servers, time to time the mods would be able to nerf someone's name if it wasn't RPish.  Sometimes they went a bit overboard and nerfed any names.

For the most part, I've gamed on rp-pvp servers... with really intense hardcore gamers who loved bloodshed and violence.  In Warhammer on-line, it was really fun to make battle shouts based on your characters (I know the WH lore so it made it that much more fun)... like "Blood for the Blood God!" or "Sanity is for the weak!" (okay those lines are from Dawn of War, but we were chanting them WAY before DOW came out).  For that particular game, there was just this really rich history and lore so it made it that much easier to act "in character" and have fun.   Like the orcs and gobboes basically spoke..."Orc", which I am really bad at... it's almost like a form of English Creole... and it was fun listening to chatter like that.  Of course, once major battles took place... many of our orcs went into regular voice during combat... but eh, no one cared.

Likewise, having emotes, and trinkets that did stuff was also a lot of fun.  We'd communicate or harass or tease each other with emotes... or use that damned Crock Pot (from a troll) that basically shot out...crap... looking like you were either throwing up and shooting stuff out of your butt.  It was more for fun than anything else... and we'd /dance, or whatever... or when the Black Orcs lined up on the ramp waiting for the enemies to come in... they would bang their swords against their shields... mostly in unison... that was pretty epic.

So for us, it was playing the part of a character... in a fun way, while we gamed.  We didn't take the RPing too seriously.  I did get hit on A LOT since I played a Witch Elf... and after when people found out I was a guy player... they hit on me even MORE... just to harass me...

Now as for hardcore RPers, I haven't really encountered them in game... maybe I did, maybe I didn't... but whatever.  I didn't take the RP too serious, but was glad that our general chat wasn't filled with crap, and that character names were more or less RPish... and matched with NPC names throughout the realm (minus all the anime names).

Anyhow, hope this helps shed some light on an RP server perspective.

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 08:35 PM

Ok thanks for the info.  That makes it very clear.  I'm definitely not a roleplayer then.  I do however like to get into the story for PvE but I guess thats normal and not considered roleplaying.  

I got confused when I was reading up on character naming and having it match your characters race.  I like the idea of that but some people were making it seem like only RPers care about having you characters name match its races naming style.  I don't even really care about that, I just dont like the idea of naming a character something like  XxCompressedairxX which just isn't a name at all.  But whatever, to each his own.  

Overall based on all these descriptions, I would say I'm definitely a non-RPer (especially according to Obscurebob's non-RPer description).

View PostObscurebob, on 05 August 2012 - 08:18 PM, said:


Non-RP'er would be your typical gamer who's mainly interested in seeing the cool content the game has to offer. He's seeking pirmarily epic gear and encounters. He wants to check out the game mechanics and enjoys the gameplay without adding any self-made depth to it.

Edited by techmech28, 05 August 2012 - 08:36 PM.


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Posted 05 August 2012 - 08:39 PM

Firstly, The RPG portion of MMORPG does not mean RP is more or less encouraged in this genre than in other mediums for it. RPG, when speaking about the genre in the modern sense of the word, refers to a game in which the character grows or changes in power over time. Almost all games these days have "roleplaying elements", such as collecting new weapons or heart containers in Zelda games, or getting a new peripheral for your gun in Battlefield, but this doesn't mean people roleplay in those games.

Secondly, the sample size you're gathering from this board is probably rather skewed against RPers. This is because they have their own websites, and probably either spend more time there or split their time between the two. It's my personal prediction that given the level of involvement with the personal story, and the choices made therein, that more players will engage in casual RP than in other games.

RP is simply addressing the world from the point of view of your character, and not the player with his/her hands on the keyboard. Put simply, is it asking yourself, "What would <character name> do?" It is NOT just standing around the town square doing nothing, it's not talking like a buffoon, and it's definitely not "hooking up", although these can all be parts of it if the player so chooses. An RPer does not, simply by being an RPer, partake exclusively in certain aspects of the game while ignoring others. There's a weird misconception that RPers don't PvP, but there's tons of evidence to the contrary.

I think people generally have some investment in the story, regardless of how much they expand upon it thereafter. There's a vast difference for having an appreciation for the story and, essentially, writing your own.

Edited by Isarien, 05 August 2012 - 08:46 PM.


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Posted 05 August 2012 - 08:40 PM

View Posttechmech28, on 05 August 2012 - 08:35 PM, said:

Ok thanks for the info.  That makes it very clear.  I'm definitely not a roleplayer then.  I do however like to get into the story for PvE but I guess thats normal and not considered roleplaying.
It is roleplaying, but you're not doing it with other people. (That's why it's called an MMORPG.)

Anyone who gets invested enough in the character they play to pick options for them on purpose, and who chooses specific courses of action based on how their character would react, is roleplaying. Even if it's just with the game's NPCs. Every time you think, 'I picked 'charm' for my character, so I'll use the charming answer' when replying to an NPC, you just roleplayed.

Edited by Syncline, 05 August 2012 - 08:42 PM.


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Posted 05 August 2012 - 08:40 PM

View Posttechmech28, on 05 August 2012 - 08:35 PM, said:

Overall based on all these descriptions, I would say I'm definitely a non-RPer (especially according to Obscurebob's non-RPer description).

Actually, Obscurebob's description.... mostly fits RPers too...

RPers are interested in seeing the cool content the game has to offer (minus the more hardcore WvW RPers who...err, do pve for skil points and err, charge out into WvW to kill enemies)...  Some RPers (that are into the pve grindfest god why) are seeking epic gear and pve encounters.  And RPers want to check out the game mechanics and enjoys the gameplay...  Some just add a little more depth into it through emotes, and chat.

Edit: typo

Edited by AzylynneN, 05 August 2012 - 08:42 PM.


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Posted 05 August 2012 - 08:42 PM

I don't think that the RP community is realy that much the minority of the whole community. It is only that only a few RPers give a voice to their opinions on the forums.

I am not even sure if there is a fix description of what is RPing and what is not. Almost every single RPer has her/his own style of roleplaying, sure there are some basic rules and things that match but generaly it is quite colorful.

Edited by Kikinho, 05 August 2012 - 08:45 PM.


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Posted 05 August 2012 - 08:47 PM

View PostAzylynneN, on 05 August 2012 - 08:40 PM, said:

Actually, Obscurebob's description.... mostly fits RPers too...

RPers are interested in seeing the cool content the game has to offer (minus the more hardcore WvW RPers who...err, do pve for skil points and err, charge out into WvW to kill enemies)...  Some RPers (that are into the pve grindfest god why) are seeking epic gear and pve encounters.  And RPers want to check out the game mechanics and enjoys the gameplay...  Some just add a little more depth into it through emotes, and chat.

Edit: typo

Ok so then I guess I'd be at most a casual RPer.  But definitely not a hardcore RPer who tries to fully speak and act like a real character in the fantasy world.

View PostKikinho, on 05 August 2012 - 08:42 PM, said:



I am not even sure if there is a fix description of what is RPing and what is not. Almost every single RPer has her/his own style of roleplaying, sure there are some basic rules and things that match but generaly it is quite colorful.

And that's a good point,  from reading more it seems like there is an infinite number of definitions for what is roleplaying, some with very subtle to very large differences.

Edited by techmech28, 05 August 2012 - 08:50 PM.


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Posted 05 August 2012 - 08:48 PM

I don't think you need to worry about it, OP.

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 08:49 PM

Another thing to remember is that the term isn't black and white, there are different shades to those that RP and don't. There are those that will go in full on and "become" their character in game while those couldn't give a damn if they were playing a char or human, they just do it for the look. Then there's others who like the story and make choices because of it. I'm choosing and naming characters because of how they act and what kind of characters they are, because I like to. I won't be "acting" out my true character but I'm setting the world up to  my liking, not really considered role playing but any choice you make can be considered to some extent.

View Posttechmech28, on 05 August 2012 - 08:47 PM, said:

Ok so then I guess I'd be at most a casual RPer.  But definitely not a hardcore RPer who tries to fully speak and act like a real character in the fantasy world.

It's been repeated a lot in this forum, but just play how you want and don't worry about labeling it.

Edited by Caldagar, 05 August 2012 - 08:52 PM.


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Posted 05 August 2012 - 08:52 PM

View PostSyncline, on 05 August 2012 - 08:48 PM, said:

I don't think you need to worry about it, OP.

Oh I know, I'm not worried about it, just curious.  Trying to learn up on it and the MMO community.

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 09:01 PM

View Posttechmech28, on 05 August 2012 - 08:52 PM, said:

Oh I know, I'm not worried about it, just curious.  Trying to learn up on it and the MMO community.
There should be infos in the RP subforum, and certainly here. :3

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 09:18 PM

Technically, we are all role playing, since I very much doubt any of us are walking around with staves launching fireballs at centaurs in real life.
(if people are, I really need to get a better source for news, because I've been missing out.)
Thus, if you are playing the game, you are, indeed, playing a role, in this fantasy world called Guild Wars 2.

Okay, so if we're all doing fantasy role playing, what's all the hubbub about? Rather simply, there's a wide variety in the style people prefer to use when doing so:
- Some people like to be in small instance, well balanced battles against other heroes (sPvP)
- Some people like battling other heroes, but in large, epic settings (WvW)
- Others prefer mainly focus on the 'bad guys' and following a somewhat laid out story. (PvE storyline)
- Others prefer just being an explorer, and wandering off to all the far corners of the world, "to see what's there" (PvE)
- Some people like to play a big tough guy with plate armor who crushes skulls with his mighty hammer (Warrior)
- Some like to play a more suave magician, who relies on illusion and misdirection (Mesmer)
- Some like to play the role of a giant feline sentient being (Charr)
- Some like to play the role of a somehow sentient plant (Sylvari)
- Some only care about the carnage they can instill upon the world. (misnomer as "non-RPer")
- Some people attempt to have their actions and mannerisms act more like the world as they see it ("RPer")
- ..... there are many other ways people play.
Most people play many of these styles, at the same time, to varying degrees. And to what degree they play each style is used by a person will vary over time as well as person to person.

Pick your own style, have fun, and find others that you have fun playing with, and who enjoy playing with you.
Ignore the labels.

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 09:22 PM

View Posttechmech28, on 05 August 2012 - 08:52 PM, said:

Oh I know, I'm not worried about it, just curious.  Trying to learn up on it and the MMO community.
THen yeah you sgould defo check out that site Sync linked. I think RPing could be so much more popular if people would actualy give it a try and not be so against it. Not like i would be any good at it toh. N00b RPing ftw. :D

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 07:30 PM

View PostAzylynneN, on 05 August 2012 - 08:40 PM, said:

Actually, Obscurebob's description.... mostly fits RPers too...

RPers are interested in seeing the cool content the game has to offer (minus the more hardcore WvW RPers who...err, do pve for skil points and err, charge out into WvW to kill enemies)...  Some RPers (that are into the pve grindfest god why) are seeking epic gear and pve encounters.  And RPers want to check out the game mechanics and enjoys the gameplay...  Some just add a little more depth into it through emotes, and chat.

Edit: typo

Sorry, think my wording was a bit off there. I didn't mean to imply that enjoying the game content and sharing in-character stories would be mutually exclusive. Of course RP'ers also enjoy all the "normal" stuff the game has to offer and from personal experience, are generally pretty good at it too, whether it's pve or pvp.
My main point was in the end of the post where I noted "without adding any self-made depth". That was my key element. RP'er and non-RP'er both do the same things. Roleplayer just 'spices' stuff up.

Isarien there gave a good clean description of what roleplaying is. Applauds for that.

View PostIsarien, on 05 August 2012 - 08:39 PM, said:

RP is simply addressing the world from the point of view of your character, and not the player with his/her hands on the keyboard. Put simply, is it asking yourself, "What would <character name> do?" It is NOT just standing around the town square doing nothing, it's not talking like a buffoon, and it's definitely not "hooking up", although these can all be parts of it if the player so chooses. An RPer does not, simply by being an RPer, partake exclusively in certain aspects of the game while ignoring others. There's a weird misconception that RPers don't PvP, but there's tons of evidence to the contrary.


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Posted 14 August 2012 - 04:31 AM

In my opinion, the act of playing the game is in fact a form of roleplay. I'm not just talking about "getting into the story". I'm talking about the act of treating a digital world as a real place where real things happen with real events, characters and set pieces. You can tell this counts as a form of roleplay because back before gaming was commonplace, I often found myself in a position where I had to justify my emotional reactions to things happening a game despite them not being real in a concrete way. To this day, it's very common for someone to admonish someone else who is getting flustered with "it's just a game". But it isn't just a game, is it? We've learned to tell ourselves that over and over, to try and distance ourselves from feelings that we're not able to understand. No other point in human history has anything like video games, especially persisting ones, existed. The need to dissociate ourselves with "it's just a game" is a persisting one because of that lack of precedent. But we know it's not true.

More to the point, we all are roleplaying by the act of playing the game. The question is, are we playing a role in the actual story world the NPCs live in? That answer is very obviously "no". Player characters and non-player characters exist in practically entirely different worlds. In many ways, PCs are practically alien compared to the NPCs. What we think of as "roleplayers" are people who'd, ultimately, would like to find ways to narrow if not bridge that gap. For them the game isn't as fun when the system of the game takes precedent, or they're somehow reminded of their "alien" status.

What we think of as dedicated "non-roleplayers", though, embrace their difference. They see the lore and the things happening, at best, as a nice wallpaper or furnishing. At worst, it's white noise. For them, the game *IS* the game. They still lose themselves in an alternate worlds, they still become an entirely different character. It's just that the character they're becoming exists not in the game world outlined in the lore, but as a sort of meta-paradise that uses the lore as its guideline. But they can and do fall very much in love with the world they're playing in. For these players, it's not at all strange to exist in a world where the REAL drama is their guild's rivalry with some other guild called "The Eternal Order of Bacon" or something. Where the real hero isn't someone that the lore junkies talk about but maybe some guy called "derpylovesmuffins" who cancelled leading a raid or something to take a plane and attend an RL funeral for a former guildie. These players take extreme exception to being told they're not playing a role or that they don't care about the world they're investing in. Oftentimes even the best-intentioned roleplayers really do have a condescending attitude towards them. If not overtly, it's often passive aggressive or a little bit snide. Thus the "elitist" label getting thrown around a lot, even though a lot of RPers accused of it are genuinely nice people who didn't mean to offend.

My point is, everyone is roleplaying. They're just not always playing in the same world (that point is reinforced a bit by how RPers often insist on using some out-of-game system for 1v1 combat). I suspect that's why RPers often want a server all to themselves, because a sylvari named "free miracle gro" running by somehow takes them out of the world they're in. Honestly, I think many roleplayers need to get over their sense of entitlement and realize that there's no "right" way to play an open world game like this. They should appreciate that there ARE stories going on right in front of them, even if they're unconventional and unrelated to the game lore. And if that's not a good enough reason to open one's mind, then at least consider that developing an abiding sense of tolerance goes a long way to learning how to write better stories.

But "non-roleplayers" aren't off the hook, either. I'd really like it they stopped being so damn self-depreciating. When someone tells you that the game you're playing is a waste of life and money, call them out on it. Stand up for what you love. Point out that a lot of people have very involved hobbies, and that just because SOME people don't know how to balance that aspect of their lives doesn't mean the game itself is toxic. It means there are other, deeper issues at work. Don't give your character some stupid name just so you can feel disaffected from a beautiful world sprawling out before you (though by all means give your character a stupid name if it makes it more fun for you). And yeah, it wouldn't kill you to try and enjoy the lore and use it to inform how you play the game. I have nothing but disgust towards people who want to dissociate themselves from all the "roleplay nerds" playing their favorite game and go out of the way to troll them. Lashing out against others because of one's own insecurities is pathetic.

Um... wow, I turned this into a rant. Sorry. And despite my strong tone, I didn't mean to offend anyone. Incidentally, I don't consider myself a "roleplayer" in the strict sense of the word, but I picked Tarnished Coast as my server because I LOVE being around roleplayers. They're really really really fun to play with.

Edited by Midnight_Tea, 14 August 2012 - 04:42 AM.


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Posted 15 August 2012 - 05:41 PM

What you will notice is that the majority of people that complete bash RP actually passively RP and don't even realize it.  It is just a stigma the RP community has.  

No RP'er can hold his own in PvP: FALSE, very very false
All RP'ers talk in old English and an arrogant tone: FALSE
The RP community is generally very helpful and happy to group up: TRUE
Adding an element of RP'ing to the game extends the gameplay life significantly: TRUE

If you think about it, there really isn't any negatives to RP, especially the RP community.  People just talk #@%@ because they really have no idea what RP is about and just think it is a bunch of arrogant a-holes talking in old English afraid to pvp.

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Posted 19 August 2012 - 06:54 PM

View PostRod Adams, on 05 August 2012 - 09:18 PM, said:

Technically, we are all role playing, since I very much doubt any of us are walking around with staves launching fireballs at centaurs in real life.
(if people are, I really need to get a better source for news, because I've been missing out.)

  If there was such a place, I would be there in a heartbeat as well. When it comes to role-playing, it can take a bit to step into, but I have always found it more fun to be something I am not in real life. Find out what suits you best and let creativity do the rest for you.




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