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If Charr and Asura went into all out war.


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Who would win the war?

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#361 The_Blades

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 11:32 AM

lol. its amazing how some guys think charr are all organized and single minded like a true unified race. Read the lore guys,. please.

The legions only cooperate because there are the ghosts and the flame legion to keep them occupied, otherwise they would fight amongst themselves (well.. they do against the flame). They like other legions as much as they like other races.

One can say charr would unite against the asura, but theres no evidence to back that up. more easily one charr legion would try and wage war on the little muppets on their own, like flame did against humans, overpowering the other legions (not sure on this).

Im getting tired of repeating ,myself. Asura have shown before (GW1) union and cohesive military action against the destroyers. that included battle golems (at least 3 of them) with 3 battle modes, on the gameplay plot, where the dwarven stone army consisted of 5 or 6 dwarves. so scale it up

The golems back them had, at least, 3 battle modes: Melee ranged and healing, showing how adaptable the golems are. There were dungeons (oolas lab) where you would encounter many more golems, with magical powers and even indestructible (almost) ones. Also asura had magical devides to call golem airdrops. Asura tech was crucial to defeat the mursaat (war on kryta plot). All this while probably still fighting in the depths against an elder dragon.

Dont forget who defeated the united charr legions: the mursaat and humans..

Edit: after reading seems like my text indicate to contradiction, it doesnt: Flame legion fought the humans on ascalon. united charr fought the humans in the events preceding the cataclysm in orr.

Edited by The_Blades, 08 February 2013 - 11:34 AM.


#362 tachikomatic

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Posted 06 December 2014 - 08:56 PM

I'd like to remind people that the original question assumes that no other races exist, only Asura and Charr.

In this case, fighting a brutal war for the survival of your species I don't think there is any doubt that both sides would unite to face the threat of extinction.

Necessity is the mother of invention. The Charr would win early victories and push the Asura back, but I don't see them taking Rata Sum quickly. Given the time, pooled resources, and a desperate need the remaining united krewes would invent some sort of super device to win the war, something that conventional weapons simply cannot overcome. We know the Asura can make force fields, laser cannons and giant nigh indestructible golems, and we've never seen what a united Asuran population dedicated to a single purpose can accomplish. Your imagination can fill in the blanks.

I like to think they would come up with a golem made up of the Asura cubes with Rata Sum as the head. A self regenerating golem so large that it could destroy the Black Citadel like a kid smashing a sand castle, protected by force fields that make it nearly impossible to assault from near or far, and laser cannons to shoot down any air threats.

#363 rusticgamer

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Posted 07 December 2014 - 02:46 AM

This thread's been around for a while. It's nice to read ppls opinions but still... The Charr would win any war. WITH the conditions that other races EXIST OR NOT the Charr would exterminate the asura. First of all the asura aren't fighters. Even Rata Sum has virtually NO police/military. They rely so heavily on their golems that a lot of asura display panic. Currently in game there are 2 references towards this with exact numbers. 1st is 8:1 ratio of golems to peacekeepers and another one says 10:1. I have no idea why there is a difference in asuran NPCs statements, but that doesn't change the fact that there are a LOT of golems. Techically golems are the only wall that stands in Charr's way. And the charr's weaponry is pretty POWERFUL. I mean if you read the lore they say that Charr have technology that is comparable to Asura. Albeit their machinery while not as technologically advanced as asuran one, it is far more durable and it doesn't have obvious weaknesses like golems do ( AKA Power Cores ). The Charr simply are a nation bred for war. Their society revolves around war, they have been raised and they adapted to WAR. Another Charr says in personal story at one point that from the youngest cub to the oldest charr, from the lowliest charr to the greatest they are ALL trained for war, and if it would ever be necesairly they could always fight on the frontline. The Asura while great thinkers and geniuses and inventors, *insert more ego-inflating compliments suited for your standard asuran genuis* have no such interest in war and aren't exactly suited for combat. Phlunt himself in the new LS says that if they wouldn't have fled the Depths of Tyria tey would've been exterminated. So however coordonated and united the Asura stood they still failed... miserably...

The Charr fought at one point ghosts, Flame Legion, humans, and branded at the same time and they still fight humans (like separatists).

Also no offense but

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The legions only cooperate because there are the ghosts and the flame legion to keep them occupied, otherwise they would fight amongst themselves (well.. they do against the flame)
is actually very silly. They cooperate because they want to not because they are forced to.

Oh and BTW if you haven't read the books, before the cease-fire with the humans, ebonhawke had an old and poorly maintained Asura Gate, and while Queen Jennah requested MANY MANY times to the asura a new one, they declined every time. Why? Because they were afraid of the Charr. They were afraid that the Charr would take this as an offense and start military retailation toward the asura.

#364 Rygar

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Posted 09 February 2015 - 11:24 PM

Curious, do we got exact numbers for the Charr? How many soldiers are in each Legion but besides that their basic strageties are kind of self-explanatory. Ash Legion are basically the wet works operators ( the hush, hush secret agents). Blood Legion are the front line, the ones in the thick of it. Iron Legion are the gunners, and the guys who manage heavy ordinance.

Knowing the numbers of the Charr, and the Asura would help.

#365 Knuckle Joe

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Posted 10 February 2015 - 08:03 AM

I'm sure the vigil megalaser in teq's fight is asuran tech. If it can strike down a dragon champion in plain flight and stun them for several seconds, imagine what a similar weapon would do to a charr stronghold. I don't see any charr weapon comparable to that, the most impressive/powerful thing I've seen from the charr are the tanks and choppers used in the late Arah's story missions,,, and the tanks got immobilized with a mine.

Even though the glory of Tyria is a joint achievement by the races, it's clear that the propulsion and weapons are asuran. Charr do not have "plasma/pulse/energy" weapons, their's are more ballistic, gunpowderish. Just remember that they were asuran weapons the ones that removed the tail of Zaithan and destroyed him when he was immobile.

Also, Asura's have stuff like the atmospheric converter, the infinity ball etc. I'd say asura, but they would have to act quickly, because if they take too much time planning a strike, the charr will be at their door.

Plus, the asuras are kind of "holding back" from more destructive research because of morals. I'm pretty sure I've read somewhere that the inquest's golems are far more powerful than the lawful asura's ones because Inquest don't hold back for ethics. That's why you see tons of champon inquest golems who are pretty darn potent by themselves, like the ones at sorrow's furnace. If the Inquest involves themselves in this war, it's pretty much a guaranteed win for the asura.

Asura's are pursuing knowledge and scientific advance right now, that's why you don't see much "war stuff" from them. But if they focus in war, boy, they would dominate.

Edited by Knuckle Joe, 10 February 2015 - 08:15 AM.


#366 amitai

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Posted 25 February 2015 - 05:53 PM

giant lasers, teleportation abilities, golems, invisible magnetic fields, understanding of particles and universe, way more advanced trap methods, better constructs, better everything seriously the asura would wipe the charr without a single loss. heck they only don't use the asura tech enough just so it won't be as easy to kill the dragons and we had something to do.




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