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[Yllibas]

Hey fellow rangers I was just wondering about what you guys thought about our options on removing conditions?

As far as I can see, the Wiki only shows two skills and one trait that remove conditions from ourselves:

Signet of Renewal
Removes a condition every 10 seconds

Empathetic Bond
Transfers a condition to pet every 10 seconds

Evasive Purity
According to wiki it only removes poison and blind, not sure if that has been updated to include other conditions too

Now there are other skills that remove conditions, but according to the descriptions on the wiki, it seems that Healing Spring, and Spirit of Nature only remove from allies?

The problem for me is that the only way it seems for Rangers to remove conditions is to wait for the 10 second count downs, which seem a little awkward to me. Using Signet of Renewal helps but goes off a 60 second recharge timer which isn't ideal I think.

[Arkano]

Yeah, more than one time i used a Sigil of Purity because our condition removal tools sucks a bit (only signet of renewal is a bit useful). We really need a healing skill that removes condition like warrior, mesmer, necro etc.

[Seth7733]

Signet of renewal is excellent as it is both a stun breaker and a condition wipe, so it saves you from pretty much everything. I'm almost certain healing spring removes conditions from you too, and it is a combo field so your projectiles will as well.

Edited by Seth7733, 13 August 2012 - 09:02 AM.

[Seth7733]

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Edited by Seth7733, 13 August 2012 - 09:00 AM.

[addis]

yup i agree, if you use bear it can take conditions from you. but even then i feel we need more

[Ela]

I'd be happy if Heal as One also removed one condition from you and your pet upon activation. It would be similar to Mending then.

Edited by Ela, 13 August 2012 - 10:58 AM.

[Marth Reynolds]

Healing Spring. as well like seth mentioned. (in bwe2  it removed 1 condition on cast, and more if you stay in it.  not sure if it was changed lately though)


some more options would be nice, but we're not that bad off.

[Lorath]

Yllibas, on 13 August 2012 - 07:02 AM, said:

Hey fellow rangers I was just wondering about what you guys thought about our options on removing conditions?

As far as I can see, the Wiki only shows two skills and one trait that remove conditions from ourselves:

Signet of Renewal
Removes a condition every 10 seconds

Empathetic Bond
Transfers a condition to pet every 10 seconds

Evasive Purity
According to wiki it only removes poison and blind, not sure if that has been updated to include other conditions too

Now there are other skills that remove conditions, but according to the descriptions on the wiki, it seems that Healing Spring, and Spirit of Nature only remove from allies?

The problem for me is that the only way it seems for Rangers to remove conditions is to wait for the 10 second count downs, which seem a little awkward to me. Using Signet of Renewal helps but goes off a 60 second recharge timer which isn't ideal I think.

You forgot the bear f2 skill. Pretty short cooldown too - 25s.
http://wiki.guildwar...ki/Shake_It_Off

Edited by Lorath, 13 August 2012 - 12:23 PM.

[Sycthrex]

Arkano, on 13 August 2012 - 07:58 AM, said:

Yeah, more than one time i used a Sigil of Purity because our condition removal tools sucks a bit (only signet of renewal is a bit useful). We really need a healing skill that removes condition like warrior, mesmer, necro etc.

Healing Spring removes Conditions per pulse.

@OP

If a Ranger runs a Power Build we can burst down any Condition Build enemy and then simple remove the condition with one of our skills.

The tough part is of course when running a build like Support but then you will most likely be a team mate or something who might have passive condition removal like Ele or Necro.

I don't feel like we need any more condition removal, standing inside our own healing spring gives us condition removal per second for 15 seconds.

[Tevesh]

The problem is not the lack of condition removal - the ranger has so much of it even necros are jealous. The problem is that condition removal, as well as most of the other effects ranger has, are overly complicated and indirect, and usually detrimental to the pet.

[Sycthrex]

Tevesh, on 13 August 2012 - 12:35 PM, said:

The problem is not the lack of condition removal - the ranger has so much of it even necros are jealous. The problem is that condition removal, as well as most of the other effects ranger has, are overly complicated and indirect, and usually detrimental to the pet.

I disagree, we might have less control of when to use them (except Healing Spring) but the Pet is a key part of a Ranger.

If you don't want stuff to be detrimental to a pet then maybe Rangers are not for you.

[Tevesh]

I want the pet to be my dps/cc source, not a cushion to soak up conditions and CC.

[Nettle]

Our condition removal is fine.  Healing spring alone is so so powerful for aoe team cleansing, as the spring pulses many times.  The signet is also very strong for removal.  If you are worried about the pet taking too many, you can swap after you use it.

The wilderness trait and the bear pet are nothing to scoff at either.  I've not bothered with the dodge removal trait.  That would be more helpful if it was poison and burning or (prob less likely) bleeding.

[BloatedGuppy]

Tevesh, on 13 August 2012 - 03:13 PM, said:

I want the pet to be my dps/cc source, not a cushion to soak up conditions and CC.

If your pet gets all banged up from soaking conditions, just park him on the bench and bring out the other pet for 20 seconds. Problem solved, with only the briefest interruption in the pet's duties. Surely this is better than having all those conditions on you?

[Olim]

Tevesh, on 13 August 2012 - 12:35 PM, said:

The problem is not the lack of condition removal - the ranger has so much of it even necros are jealous. The problem is that condition removal, as well as most of the other effects ranger has, are overly complicated and indirect, and usually detrimental to the pet.

You and your pets job is to get through the fight, at least one of you needs to be up on their feet, or claws, or tentacles or... well you get the point. If you go down and your pet is up he can revive you (especially in pve) If your pet goes down you can revive it. Your a team, your pet is your best friend and is happy to take some hits for you to ensure both of your survival. In return you have all the tools to look after your pet - the ability to Buff your pet, heal it, rampage as one with it ect. The ranger uses his pet to boost his combat affectiveness, and your pet uses you to do the same. Ranger pets are not quite disposable like the Necro's pets are because having your pet is out of the fight is in most situations suboptimal.

I've played te necro quite a bit and find the ranger a lot more simple to jump in and play effectively, although there are subtleties with skills and traits that make mastering the ranger another story entirely. Keep your mind open to other classes, you might be surprised how much you enjoy playing a class you didn't think you would like.

[Strydder]

There is a certain god(Dwayna i think?) you can choose blessed by if you play a human and you get a utility skill that instantly removes 3 conditions from you on a 45s recharge. It is quite affective i must say

[Anelyn]

Sycthrex, on 13 August 2012 - 12:29 PM, said:

Healing Spring removes Conditions per pulse.

@OP

If a Ranger runs a Power Build we can burst down any Condition Build enemy and then simple remove the condition with one of our skills.

The tough part is of course when running a build like Support but then you will most likely be a team mate or something who might have passive condition removal like Ele or Necro.

I don't feel like we need any more condition removal, standing inside our own healing spring gives us condition removal per second for 15 seconds.

I was just about to mention this in my Longbow thread, but noticed it here so will bump this one.

Isn't the nature of healing spring sort of forcing you to stay in it's vicinity (which seems to be rather small area) in order to get the benefits, which makes you almost immobile and easier for enemies to cast AoE effects (marks, traps, damage AoE etc)?

[velimirius]

Pretty much yeah.
We are kind of limited with it comes to condition removals, instead of simply healing skill which can heal and remove condition like other classes have, we got healing spring which removes per pulse making you stuck inside if you want to relief yourself from conditions while enemy can just throw aoes at you whole time.
so instead you can waste one utility slot for signet of renewal, or if u dont want to waste any utility slot then you must pick a bear.
Evasive purity is lame and waste.

so instead of playing any pet you want, picking any utility skill and trait you just have to waste something instead.

With those traits which remove conditions every x secondc ranger feels for like gambler, if you are lucky it will remove it just on time, if you are not then too bad...

[Sycthrex]

Anelyn, on 15 August 2012 - 06:43 AM, said:

I was just about to mention this in my Longbow thread, but noticed it here so will bump this one.

Isn't the nature of healing spring sort of forcing you to stay in it's vicinity (which seems to be rather small area) in order to get the benefits, which makes you almost immobile and easier for enemies to cast AoE effects (marks, traps, damage AoE etc)?

We can still kite and then dodge back into the circle for the pulse to remove the condition

Edited by Sycthrex, 15 August 2012 - 12:37 PM.

[Jin]

velimirius, on 15 August 2012 - 12:29 PM, said:

so instead of playing any pet you want, picking any utility skill and trait you just have to waste something instead.

This is same across all professions.  If you want condi removal, you make that choice.

[Anelyn]

Sycthrex, on 15 August 2012 - 12:37 PM, said:

We can still kite and then dodge back into the circle for the pulse to remove the condition

Yeah, but if there is an GtAoE on location would you roll back in it? Because you practically would trade a condition removal (last one applied if am not mistaken) vs on purpose applying / renewing other conditions (most gtaoe abilities have 2 conditions, like bleed and cripple, chill and blind or w/e effects they have hehe!).

Up to my knowledge, such things like marks, traps, etc, apply their effects (renew / increase duration / strength) far often than the removal of condition ones (correct me on this one if am wrong, thanks!).

[Sycthrex]

Anelyn, on 15 August 2012 - 04:23 PM, said:

Yeah, but if there is an GtAoE on location would you roll back in it? Because you practically would trade a condition removal (last one applied if am not mistaken) vs on purpose applying / renewing other conditions (most gtaoe abilities have 2 conditions, like bleed and cripple, chill and blind or w/e effects they have hehe!).

Up to my knowledge, such things like marks, traps, etc, apply their effects (renew / increase duration / strength) far often than the removal of condition ones (correct me on this one if am wrong, thanks!).

Well we wouldn't roll back on to it then would we lol

[UnknownPleasures]

Strydder, on 15 August 2012 - 06:31 AM, said:

There is a certain god(Dwayna i think?) you can choose blessed by if you play a human and you get a utility skill that instantly removes 3 conditions from you on a 45s recharge. It is quite affective i must say

When the skill says "removes 3 conditions" does that mean that if I have 1 cripple, 1 poison, and 5 stacks of bleeding that I will lose all of those or will I only lose the cripple, poison, and be left with 4 stacks of bleeding?

[Anelyn]

Precisely! So it doesn't look that good anymore! /sobs

Why can't the healing thingie be an effect created on ranger, and you get swiftness and stability and just run around to allies removing boons and healing them while stopping for occasional stomps etc

[Sarision]

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When the skill says "removes 3 conditions" does that mean that if I have 1 cripple, 1 poison, and 5 stacks of bleeding that I will lose all of those or will I only lose the cripple, poison, and be left with 4 stacks of bleeding?

If I recall, when one condition is removed, the entire stack goes as well.

So in your case, everything is removed.

Edited by Sarision, 15 August 2012 - 05:41 PM.

[Anelyn]

All you need is a good aim and a strong grip on yer bow matey. Trust your arrows to the wind, and nature will help ya! All those necro liches and dirty engineers will kiss the ground before any harm is done! None shall enter our sacred forests!

[Tracker_X]

Anelyn, on 15 August 2012 - 05:46 PM, said:

All you need is a good aim and a strong grip on yer bow matey. Trust your arrows to the wind, and nature will help ya! All those necro liches and dirty engineers will kiss the ground before any harm is done! None shall enter our sacred forests!

I didn't know pirates lived in sacred forests!  =P

But yeah, any smart team/player in pvp will pop an AoE on your healing spring rendering it worthless after that.

[Seth7733]

Marth Reynolds, on 13 August 2012 - 12:22 PM, said:

Healing Spring. as well like seth mentioned. (in bwe2  it removed 1 condition on cast, and more if you stay in it.  not sure if it was changed lately though)


some more options would be nice, but we're not that bad off.

Yeah, we have plenty of options and can remove them from teammates as well.

Edited by Seth7733, 15 August 2012 - 11:42 PM.

[Sarision]

What are some tips for fighting against condition builds? Carrying condition removers is a sound strategy, but once removed conditions can be restacked quickly. Some weapons, like our shortbow, automatically stack conditions on auto-attack.

[Tracker_X]

Sarision, on 16 August 2012 - 12:23 AM, said:

What are some tips for fighting against condition builds? Carrying condition removers is a sound strategy, but once removed conditions can be restacked quickly. Some weapons, like our shortbow, automatically stack conditions on auto-attack.

My thoughts on this:
Running a high regen build will help offset, but poison kind of kills that with it's healing debuff.  

You can use a brown bear's F2 cleanse before applying your heals if you're poisoned and don't have the trait for removing poison on dodge.

If you're in a team for tournament pvp - think about assigning buddy groups and get paired with someone who has group removals.  If you're set as the roamer and will often be 1v1, try a high power/ mid crit build to win the dps race

It would be nice if our traited dodge roll would remove more than blind and poison , but if you're going to be the roamer, it might be worth getting as you might face a lot of rogues as roamers in 1v1's.

Other than that, if you've got decent crit, there's a Sigil with 60% chance on crit to remove a condition (might be nerfed with 2sec cd)