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[Firstborn12]

personally, I dont care for them at all. are the reward for doing those Jump puzzle all that great? I may do them just to complete the Explorer title, but other than that I dont see thier worth, beside doing them out of boredom after reaching lvl 80. But thats just me.

[Airwolf]

Ish, on 13 August 2012 - 08:23 PM, said:

They lead to skill points? Well at least they have a purpose, other than simply jumping to get a map marker filled in.

Vista's, skill points, or Loot for the bigger puzzles. And then you have the jumping puzzles like in the metrica province, you can call that one a puzzle. I have fun doing them.

[Ish]

Own Age Myname, on 13 August 2012 - 08:25 PM, said:

For someone who expresses an "above average IQ", you should know the answer to this question.

Thanks for your input, but I did not say I had *above*.

[Espritdumort]

Some of the jumping puzzles/challenges do require a bit of figuring out, in fact, you may have to puzzle out where to go next.  

A lot of people enjoy them, think they are fun.  Some people don't.  Same as people who like sPvP or WvW or PvE and those who don't.

I think you have your answer, OP.  Yes, people find them fun.

[Isarien]

I've bonded with several people over jumping puzzles, most of whom I met during BWE2 in the Eternal Battlegrounds dungeon, but others as well scattered throughout the world.

For a game that emphasizes community building, I'd say they've certainly done something right with them.

[Iron Legionnaire]

The puzzles can require some thinking. Better than having nothing at all. I personally like them. A lot.

I don't think anyone is interested in your IQ measuring contest. For every mental task, there are always people who jump out talking about how they're easy. It's called self-aggrandizement. And those people are usually lying.

[StormDragonZ]

They're fun ONCE. Once you figure it out, that's pretty much it.

[Iron Legionnaire]

Ish, on 13 August 2012 - 08:27 PM, said:

Maybe i used a bad set of words, but I don't deserve to be burned for it, geez.

Bad set of words?

You implied that anyone who can possibly have some trouble with these puzzles has a below average IQ.

[Ish]

Espritdumort, on 13 August 2012 - 08:31 PM, said:

Some of the jumping puzzles/challenges do require a bit of figuring out, in fact, you may have to puzzle out where to go next.  

A lot of people enjoy them, think they are fun.  Some people don't.  Same as people who like sPvP or WvW or PvE and those who don't.

I think you have your answer, OP.  Yes, people find them fun.

Yes, I think so to. And thanks for not being an ass about it just because I suck at formulating myself lol.

Isarien, on 13 August 2012 - 08:32 PM, said:

I've bonded with several people over jumping puzzles, most of whom I met during BWE2 in the Eternal Battlegrounds dungeon, but others as well scattered throughout the world.

For a game that emphasizes community building, I'd say they've certainly done something right with them.

Spot on I think. I'll say this, I haven't done many, but those I have done have been pretty meh. But based on what people have been writing, I might end up enjoying some of them at least.

[Vorch]

You jump through perilous obstacles, hoping to find a princess, but alas, she is in another castle.

[Crystalis]

I will agree in many cases puzzle is the wrong word. Although just from the few we have seen there are mazes, riddles, and in some cases actual puzzles.

Another form of "puzzle" is figuring out how to get somewhere. How do you get past these traps safely? Where might a hidden passage be, or if there even is one? How do I activate this mechanic? Feed the drake some fire, a hint for those in the WvW Dark Room.

An example might be one in the first charr zone, named Loreclaw Expanse. While it is not terribly complex there are a few false paths, traps have to pay attention to learn the pattern/tells, and a false ending that requires you to read the journal on the ground to get a hint on how to reach the true end. Considering the level of this place, it is no surprise it is simple but so many have missed the true end.

Personally I love them, finding a hidden area full of challenges and cool sights (like the beautiful cave system in Lion's Arch). Some of my best BWE memories come from banding together with a few other people working together to find our way through.

Each BWE after the first I actually brought random people with me into them and they had a great time. Most recently the 2 Lion's Arch ones followed by showing him Loreclaw.

People actually seemed more social in these than doing DEs, communicating when found the way to continue or a solution to a certain mechanic.

They are basicly pure exploration, outside of GW2 they might fit into the Metroidvania genre. Or if they were instanced DDO had whole dungeons of that style, although less polished in some ways.

In fact one of the WvW ones is only known as the mini-dungeon for now, which is accurate for some of them which has a boss at the end.

I suppose it comes down to do what you enjoy, there is so much variety and most of it is not mandatory. The rewards from the chests are nothing very special, although the WvW one does give siege plans and some tokens.

I am an explorer at heart and the idea that anywhere I look a secret path might be hidden appeals to me; the reward is the doing, seeing, and overcoming of the challenge. The chest or achieve is secondary, just a way of tracking. I know for a fact many do not even have an achieve.

Just yesterday learned of a 3rd hidden one in Lion's Arch that lead to a chest that during the stress test had wondered how you got to since could not find a way.

If I remember right the origin of them was partly an accident with the reaction of "That is cool", and just that players will do so anyway, and it grew from there. Many players will do this climbing and exploring even if they did not build these in. Sadly alot of games make it a bannable offence, WoW for example.

Ok sorry will stop there. rambling yet again lol.

TL:DR
Puzzle is not always right word. Some are simple, some complex. Some are small dungeons complete with a boss. The reward is the doing and seeing. It is optional, but many people would do it even if it was agianst rules.

Edited by Crystalis, 13 August 2012 - 08:40 PM.

[Jokerx7]

StormDragonZ, on 13 August 2012 - 08:34 PM, said:

They're fun ONCE. Once you figure it out, that's pretty much it.

That's not true, I did the sylvari jump puzzle like... 20 times? lol

Ish, on 13 August 2012 - 08:23 PM, said:

They lead to skill points? Well at least they have a purpose, other than simply jumping to get a map marker filled in.

Some do, most don't. Only a very few does. Like the one at the south of... Diessa Plateu it was? But most of them just give you an achievement and some chests with random loot. Or you get to special places, or secret zones, that are awesome if you are an explorer.

[VagabondLife]

Ish, on 13 August 2012 - 08:35 PM, said:

Yes, I think so to. And thanks for not being an ass about it just because I suck at formulating myself lol.

Spot on I think. I'll say this, I haven't done many, but those I have done have been pretty meh. But based on what people have been writing, I might end up enjoying some of them at least.

Go to WvW and do the dungeon....if that isn't a puzzle to get everywhere and figure it all out, then nothing will be. Oh....and do it without the other servers killing you as well.

[Draahl]

Ish, on 13 August 2012 - 07:49 PM, said:

Does anyone sincerely think they add anything fun at all to the game? I don't know if they get harder as you progress through the zones, but calling them puzzles is an insult to anyone with an average IQ..

With that kind of attitude i would seriously doubt you would play ANY computer game what so ever, so please quit now so we dont have to put up with your whiny attitude any longer

[Jexx]

Ish, on 13 August 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:

I thought I was pretty clear in that I'm not bashing the puzzles. Simply asking if anyone found them fun at all.

Even the most hated thing is liked by someone.

[Digital Danger]

I think it's cool that the developers acknowledge climbing on things as an adventure in an MMO. It's a primal mini-game,  a pastime since the dawn of man.

[Lethality]

Digital Danger, on 13 August 2012 - 08:41 PM, said:

I think it's cool that the developers acknowledge climbing on things as an adventure in an MMO. It's a primal mini-game,  a pastime since the dawn of man.

They were better before the idea of vistas, with floating coins.. er... maps in the world.

The jumping puzzles that get you access to certain areas were cool, because they were also sparse and not marked on the map. Now, it's just overdone and dangled with a reward... not exploration at all.

[Iron Legionnaire]

Draahl, on 13 August 2012 - 08:39 PM, said:

With that kind of attitude i would seriously doubt you would play ANY computer game what so ever, so please quit now so we dont have to put up with your whiny attitude any longer

Maybe he'll enjoy Riven.

[dregoloth]

The platforming is fun to a lot of people. Instead of making threads like this, people should start asking themselves why not put the feature into the game. And not use language that alienates the majority of players who enjoy them (for example, don't call the feature -even its name- an insult to anybody).

Though I would prefer them be called platforming segments.

Lethality, on 13 August 2012 - 08:14 PM, said:

In my opinion, they don't add the kind of depth of content that I expect out of an MMORPG.

Also, it's a platformer mechanic that doesn't do well due to the nature of MMO engine optimization.

Used sparingly, it would have been cool. But as an extensive form of content? Eek.

The quality of the platforming has no bearing on the capabilities of the GW2 engine.
The reason the platforming doesn't feel perfect is because player movement speed, jump capabilities, etc... haven't been tuned to make a great platformer. They've been tuned to make a good Guild Wars 2.

[Ish]

Jokerx7, on 13 August 2012 - 08:39 PM, said:

That's not true, I did the sylvari jump puzzle like... 20 times? lol


Some do, most don't. Only a very few does. Like the one at the south of... Diessa Plateu it was? But most of them just give you an achievement and some chests with random loot. Or you get to special places, or secret zones, that are awesome if you are an explorer.

I know you may not believe me for some of the stuff I wrote (lol), but I actually had a Grand master cartographer in GW1

VagabondLife, on 13 August 2012 - 08:39 PM, said:

Go to WvW and do the dungeon....if that isn't a puzzle to get everywhere and figure it all out, then nothing will be. Oh....and do it without the other servers killing you as well.

Sounds like a challenge. Challenge accepted!

dregoloth, on 13 August 2012 - 08:44 PM, said:

The platforming is fun to a lot of people. Instead of making threads like this, people should start asking themselves why not put the feature into the game. And not use language that alienates the majority of players who enjoy them (for example, don't call the feature -even its name- an insult to anybody).

Though I would prefer them be called platforming segments.



The quality of the platforming has no bearing on the capabilities of the GW2 engine.
The reason the platforming doesn't feel perfect is because player movement speed, jump capabilities, etc... haven't been tuned to make a great platformer. They've been tuned to make a good Guild Wars 2.

I can only say this so many times, It was a mistake.

Edited by Ish, 13 August 2012 - 08:47 PM.

[Jexx]

Lethality, on 13 August 2012 - 08:16 PM, said:

That's due to not really being an engine built for this kind of precise, responsive control.

But, my hunch is they'll figure out some sort of buff for the cash shop that will make them more palatable.

It's all about the cash shop with you...

[Korra]

I find them something that breaks the rutine, therefore i like them.

[Crystalis]

There is one other potential reward aside from chests and skillpoints. Some of them have crafting materials that are otherwise rare or in less quantities. A charr garden full of strawberries, a bed of potatoes, a rich vein of ore (didn't even know they existed til found one) to name a few of the things might find. Again not mandatory but potentially profitable and a nice bonus.

There is also the case of special vendors, one of the Lion's Arch ones has a vendor at the end who sells gear with unique (as far as we know) pirate models. Would not be surprised if they had those sorts of vendors at the end of, or even down side paths, of other ones that we just have not seen yet.

About the WvW mini dungeon if you feel like it try to find the hidden invisibility well, it gives you 5 minutes of being invisible. Which is very useful in a place where all the traps are player controled, difference between a log in your face or a minotaur released into the room. Cannot trap what they cannot see. I think there are two or three of them around the place, one is pretty close to the start but down a different path.

Edited by Crystalis, 13 August 2012 - 08:51 PM.

[Ish]

Crystalis, on 13 August 2012 - 08:38 PM, said:

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Huge post, so I'll cut it back, but I whole heartily agree.

[Tenicord]

Ish, on 13 August 2012 - 08:23 PM, said:

They lead to skill points? Well at least they have a purpose, other than simply jumping to get a map marker filled in.

The more challenging jumping puzzle lead to either a skill point or (from what i heard) a giant chest. There are also challenging jumping puzzles that lead to some sort of secret, such as activating a hidden boss or nod farm... If you're talking about vistas, I don't really consider them jumping puzzles even though some do require some jumping.

Edited by Tenicord, 13 August 2012 - 08:50 PM.

[Treble]

I'd honestly do a jumping puzzle for no other reason than to have the most amazing view in the entire game. I don't need any tangible rewards.

[Ish]

Tenicord, on 13 August 2012 - 08:49 PM, said:

The more challenging jumping puzzle lead to either a skill point or (from what i heard) a giant chest. There are also challenging jumping puzzles that lead to some sort of secret, such as activating a hidden boss or nod farm... If you're talking about vistas, I don't really consider them jumping puzzles even though some do require some jumping.

The red map markers are the ones I'm thinking of..  I thought those were the "puzzles".
I've been avoiding playing beyond level 10 because I don't want to burn myself out.

Edited by Ish, 13 August 2012 - 08:53 PM.

[Izardoz]

there is a difference between jumping puzzles and vistas...a vista may or may not incorporate the jumping mechanic (a jumping puzzle)
some vistas merely require you to walk to them

on the other hand, jumping puzzles do indeed require jumping, and as far as I have seen, usually some puzzle aspects, such as figuring out which path to follow or how to get to that next area

if you have found 'jumping puzzles' all too easy to even be referred to as puzzles, perhaps you have only experienced vistas, which are...admittedly...usually not that difficult compared to the jumping puzzles

either that, or you studied the youtube videos first, which would probably alleviate much of the difficulty of said jumping puzzle

I hope you find the rest of the game fun, though  

[Ish]

Izardoz, on 13 August 2012 - 08:55 PM, said:

there is a difference between jumping puzzles and vistas...a vista may or may not incorporate the jumping mechanic (a jumping puzzle)
some vistas merely require you to walk to them

on the other hand, jumping puzzles do indeed require jumping, and as far as I have seen, usually some puzzle aspects, such as figuring out which path to follow or how to get to that next area

if you have found 'jumping puzzles' all too easy to even be referred to as puzzles, perhaps you have only experienced vistas, which are...admittedly...usually not that difficult compared to the jumping puzzles

either that, or you studied the youtube videos first, which would probably alleviate much of the difficulty of said jumping puzzle

I hope you find the rest of the game fun, though  

That would explain a lot! I guess people have been offended for all the wrong reason. And here I though people were finding vistas difficult. Man do I feel like a douche/retard now..

[Darkobra]

I made an Asura called Mario and had ten times more fun with the jump puzzles.