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#1 danagar

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 03:08 AM

Took data from: http://www.gw2guilds.org

Guild Wars 2 Server population estimates and alliance size estimates. Much of the data for some guilds was taken from their respective websites because they chose to not release their real roster size on the website above. Take these numbers with a grain of salt.

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This was done 8/20/2012, and it will not be updated again (it took a long time!).

#2 IsoTRF

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 03:15 AM

That really is pretty awesome (I mean I get around by good data anyway which makes me slightly biased). Obviously those numbers still form a tiny subset of people taking part in headstart let alone release so we can't rely on them too much, still that's a chunk of effort you've put in there and its much appreciated danagar.

Now if only for the sake of decent competitive WvWvW and minimal queue times we can at least semi organise amongst ourselves this might work out nicely yet....

#3 AcidsEcho

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 03:20 AM

Darkhaven is near the bottom? Thats a server I thought was pretty consistently full and popular, but not a very nice place to be. Surprised its numbers are reported so low.

#4 dawnq

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 03:24 AM

nice to see the numbers

#5 Archduke

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 03:24 AM

Still debating between Isle of Janthir and Sorrow's Furnace. Sorrows Furnace may be pushing it as far as population, I like the high populated servers, but not at all packed servers. I hate empty servers and I'm unsure if Isle of Janthir, although reasonable population may have a rather sad WvWvW team. I dunno. .____.

#6 Sebastian Star

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 03:32 AM

Here's another poll that got over 24k individual votes. It includes data on which in game activity each player considered "primary".
http://www.asuralabs.../serverPoll.php

btw, thx very much danagar :)

Edited by Sebastian Star, 21 August 2012 - 03:33 AM.


#7 Shayne Hawke

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 03:33 AM

Oh, Blackgate, how did you suddenly become so popular?

#8 FreeBooteR

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 03:34 AM

View PostAcidsEcho, on 21 August 2012 - 03:20 AM, said:

Darkhaven is near the bottom? Thats a server I thought was pretty consistently full and popular, but not a very nice place to be. Surprised its numbers are reported so low.

I'm not sure why there is a perception that Darkhaven was a nasty server. I played there on the last beta weekend, and a few stress tests and never ran into any real nasty people. I can't remember the name of the server i was on for BW2 but it was no worse than Darkhaven except that it seemed to be underpopulated.

Just because a tiny subset of a community that may have a bad rep joins a server, doesn't necessarilly mean the whole server deserves their reputation.

#9 Rukioish

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 03:34 AM

Will the other 71 Ferguson's Crossing members please join me in taking over the world? :D

#10 danagar

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 03:34 AM

As I sort of stated above, the numbers are based entirely off self reporting of the guilds to that website. So if guilds haven't found that website or didn't give an accurate estimate of their roster size for GW2 then there's no way to truly know the real numbers. That's the best estimate I can come up with in a few hours of looking at over 300 websites of guilds that didn't give an estimate of their size. Man, so many cookie cutter websites, I swear those enjin guys must be making a fortune.

#11 Jokerx7

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 03:37 AM

View PostAcidsEcho, on 21 August 2012 - 03:20 AM, said:

Darkhaven is near the bottom? Thats a server I thought was pretty consistently full and popular, but not a very nice place to be. Surprised its numbers are reported so low.
All the people from there with guilds decided to go to the other servers. xD Because of that.

Wasn't Anvil's Rock 4chan server? I think it was, so it won't be that empty.

And nice job. ^^

View Postdanagar, on 21 August 2012 - 03:34 AM, said:

I swear those enjin guys must be making a fortune.
Why every guild wants to have an enjin site? It's a crappy site. =/ And it's not free to begin with. (I think I'm missing something xD)

Edited by Jokerx7, 21 August 2012 - 03:42 AM.


#12 Blackwyze

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 03:39 AM

Very nice list! I would like to land in one of the medium population servers. I get antsy when too many folks are around.

View PostRukioish, on 21 August 2012 - 03:34 AM, said:

Will the other 71 Ferguson's Crossing members please join me in taking over the world? :D

Nice, I rolled FC in the last stress test.

#13 XcmGT

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 03:40 AM

Great Job on this!!  Although judging by your numbers I think that many guilds most exaggerate their numbers.  Because the top 4 servers were never at full across BWE3 and all of the stress tests while servers below them were full (Crystal Desert, Gates of Madness, Sorrow's Furnace, Sea of Sorrows, and Darkhaven)...

#14 Treble

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 03:44 AM

Ehmry Bay has one of the most guilds but has low pop, while Yak's Bend has a small number of guilds but is high pop? o.O

#15 ClimacticGaming

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 03:45 AM

Interesting. Jade Quarry continues to surprise me.

Gonna be insane competing there...but....my guild and I welcome the challenge.

#16 Shasow

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 03:51 AM

View PostTreble, on 21 August 2012 - 03:44 AM, said:

Ehmry Bay has one of the most guilds but has low pop, while Yak's Bend has a small number of guilds but is high pop? o.O
I believe the right side is for alliances. Ehmry Bay has a huge alliance from what it looks like.

#17 Maconi

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 03:55 AM

Why is the Titan Alliance bolded in the image?

#18 danagar

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 04:00 AM

View PostMaconi, on 21 August 2012 - 03:55 AM, said:

Why is the Titan Alliance bolded in the image?

I assume them to be much larger than represented in the number above. All the guilds of that alliance did not list their roster sizes on the gw2guilds website. That number is my estimate based on browsing their websites. It is thus subject to a lot of error. Good question.

#19 Sheky31

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 05:35 AM

Anyone knows what the max server cap is?  Max cap for WvW?

#20 Irish Cowboy

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 05:42 AM

View Postdanagar, on 21 August 2012 - 03:08 AM, said:

Took data from: http://www.gw2guilds.org

Guild Wars 2 Server population estimates and alliance size estimates. Much of the data for some guilds was taken from their respective websites because they chose to not release their real roster size on the website above. Take these numbers with a grain of salt.

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This was done 8/20/2012, and it will not be updated again (it took a long time!).

You're numbers are drastically wrong on Sanctum of Rall. Gaiscioch alone has 3400 members. Sanctum of Rall is a lot more full then the numbers in the chart above. The Tuatha, Gaiscioch's alliance is listed as 185 members. You must not know about that guild.

Edited by Irish Cowboy, 21 August 2012 - 05:45 AM.


#21 Bodyshot Hero

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 05:59 AM

how do you find the "declared population" of a server on gw2guilds.org? i've looked around the site but nowhere do i see an overall population count.

#22 danagar

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 06:37 PM

View PostIrish Cowboy, on 21 August 2012 - 05:42 AM, said:

You're numbers are drastically wrong on Sanctum of Rall. Gaiscioch alone has 3400 members. Sanctum of Rall is a lot more full then the numbers in the chart above. The Tuatha, Gaiscioch's alliance is listed as 185 members. You must not know about that guild.

I knew that 3400 number was a load of bull.

Checkout http://www.gaiscioch...family_tree/gw/ then look at their own numbers for GW2. It's over 400 yes, but a good bit shy of 3400.

I spent a lot of time browsing a lot of guild websites for these estimates. Can I be wrong, absolutely! This particular one though, I spent some time digging to get a better number than 3400. Their forum for gw2 is also not very active. I was also looking at posts in their forum for various gw2 topics, such as what class and/or race people wanted to play. For 443 members listed for GW2 I'd expect a lot more forum activity. A lot of posts had only like 50 replies and a lot were by the same people. I don't remember why I didn't used the 400+ number though, probably a mistake on my part. I definitely took some % of the 400+ and just used that as an estimate.

The "declared population" was just something I made up. Probably should have worded that better as just "estimated size." I was trying to say what was reported to the website and also estimated by my research. I've said multiple times there was a lot of error and gross guesstimation on my part for these numbers. I actually had to take all the data off gw2guilds and sum it up along with my own estimates for guilds with no size listed to get the totals. That's why you cant find those numbers anywhere. It's a shame the gw2guilds.org just didn't have a simple sum by server and alliance summary somewhere. He has the data in his SQL tables, and would just need to add a few extra queries I imagine.

It might seem trivial to click on a guild's website link and dig around for an estimate, and it really is, but it takes time. Here's some math to  ponder: 2-3 minutes * 350+ guilds with no size estimate of their own = 12-18+ hours of time. I used to be in graduate school for engineering and had to grade folks' homework and tests and did similar math. Those tests were all hand written problems worked out over multiple pages. They more time I spent, the better quality of grade the student would get, but my own time investment to give that quality grade also went up significantly when theres 100+ students in a class. Also the total time to grade the tests means the students have to wait longer to get their tests back and see how they did. I had other things I wanted to do with my time, like my own class work, research, and of course playing whatever MMO was out at the time ;D (I believe it was DAoC, Albion; Morgan le Fay).

#23 John F Kennedy

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 06:40 PM

Wow, I'm pretty sure your numbers are off by... a margin of a few thousand.

#24 Akadios

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 03:00 PM

gw2guilds is a crap site with no oversight
The max guild size in GW2 is 500,  Source:  http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Guild

I sent them a message with a list of guilds that are lying about there numbers and a direct link to the memberlist on those guilds websites and they did nothing.  At this point honestly anyone claiming more than 200 is probably lying and 99% people claiming more than 300 are lying and ANYONE claiming over the cap of 500 IS lying.  It is that simple and there is no reason for them to allow sizes larger than you can even make in game(500).

NOTE:  They are also a little bias because just to see I upped Defiance to 1500 members (far shy of the lies told by others) it was enough to bump Darkhaven to the top of the list that day.  Within 10 minutes it was reverted, however other guilds claim 3400.

Edited by Akadios, 26 August 2012 - 03:03 PM.





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