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#1 LemmingHerder

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 11:09 PM

I'm hoping that in a bit some people will get tired of waiting and others will lose their excitement at the newness of WvW which might allow people who want to play to get in easier. Do you think this will be the case?

#2 Cutwolf

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 11:52 PM

It will definitely be the case. The question is to what extent will it be the case.

Right now, queues are so far in the "holy crap this is taking a long time" extreme, that it'll take a huge drop off in population or interest (in either the game or WvW) to make it reasonable. The problem is that such a huge drop off in population and interest would be a bad thing for GW2 future. We want the player base to grow like WoW did for its prime, not shrink.

#3 Waage83

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 11:56 PM

Most likely it will get worse as more people level up and more people come in. IN the very long run they will go down somewhat.

#4 Psikerlord

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 11:58 PM

I dont get how this works or why we have to que, is it because he need a certain number of people before a wvw game can start? Does Anet need more servers?

#5 eviator

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 12:01 AM

Yes, I do. Even in the BWEs queue times toward the end went down. Folks will start to spread out their playing time, and then a lot of the bugs and annoyances of the game will just go away.

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 12:01 AM

View PostPsikerlord, on 26 August 2012 - 11:58 PM, said:

I dont get how this works or why we have to que, is it because he need a certain number of people before a wvw game can start? Does Anet need more servers?

There is a maximum amount of players who can participate on those maps.

#7 Psikerlord

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 12:05 AM

Would more servers help then? More parallel maps running at the same time?

#8 Cutwolf

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 12:10 AM

View Posteviator, on 27 August 2012 - 12:01 AM, said:

Yes, I do. Even in the BWEs queue times toward the end went down. Folks will start to spread out their playing time, and then a lot of the bugs and annoyances of the game will just go away.

There's no reason *not* to queue though. So even if people plan to PvE, it makes sense (given the wait time) to queue regardless...making the queues stay long.

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 06:29 AM

View PostPsikerlord, on 27 August 2012 - 12:05 AM, said:

Would more servers help then? More parallel maps running at the same time?

The only help would be servers with less population or a higher cap for WvW. So more servers would help if existing servers would be divided. That will not happen.

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 07:38 PM

I hope they either increase the numbers on each side. Or if not give us an accurate # of how many guys are on the field. The PvP Ques are gutting, nothing says "Hey your in a MODERN MMO NOW CHUMP" like a long que time.

#11 El_Polo_Loco

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 07:43 PM

There are servers out there with magical instant ques.  Players who followed onto a massive full server complaining about long ques when there are servers with no ques out there is kinda weird to me.

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 08:00 PM

Queues will go down for 4 reasons:

1.  This was headstart weekend.  A lot of players put in a lot of extra game time compared to normal.

2.  People are still leveling.  Some people wanted to grind out levels in WvW.  After they hit 80, they will spend less raw time in WvW.

3.  People will relax some time after retail as the novelty wears off.

4.  People will transfer off if they can't tolerate the queue times.

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 10:44 PM

Can't imagine it toning down, seeing as not everyone likes to roll an alt once they are max level. I'm thinking if anything, queues might get worse.

It's a shame to have to sit around for 2-4 hours waiting for a queue, getting it and having to leave. What I have noticed though, is a few naked people just sitting around in caves and such, not moving for a few run backs and forth that I did. Is a kick afk system in place?

#14 Leiloni

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 06:28 PM

View PostEl_Polo_Loco, on 28 August 2012 - 07:43 PM, said:

There are servers out there with magical instant ques.  Players who followed onto a massive full server complaining about long ques when there are servers with no ques out there is kinda weird to me.

People just want a healthy server with a lot of people to play with both for PvE stuff and for WvW. Same happens for any game. And some of the larger servers also tend to do better in WvW which a lot of people enjoy as well. Why should people have to choose between short queue's and fun gameplay?

Edited by Leiloni, 29 August 2012 - 06:29 PM.


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Posted 29 August 2012 - 06:33 PM

No, it's going to get worse and worse until you have to stay logged in 24/7 to have a slot.

Which is why I'm trying to stir people up to petition ANet to start brainstorming  for solutions now.
Either ramp up capacity (which I actually feel would not be a winning strategy) or add new battlegrounds to the map.  1-2 maps would thin out the servers a bit.  As more people take up the game, low population servers will become a non-issue and maybe even some guilds will migrate to those to have more  impact.

Remember, once you've killed Zhaitan with 1-3 characters, PvP and Wvw are all that are left.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 06:45 PM

View PostEasymodeX, on 28 August 2012 - 08:00 PM, said:

Queues will go down for 4 reasons:

2.  People are still leveling.  Some people wanted to grind out levels in WvW.  After they hit 80, they will spend less raw time in WvW.


Although I agree with your other statements, once people hit 80 they will ALL (well, mostly) be queuing for wvwvw.  It is the endgame as far as I am concerned, although you can play it from the beginning its going to be a large part of what you do at 80 since pve is no longer beneficial.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 06:59 PM

Yeah, I probably made too large an assumption that players who are heavy on WvW would be queuing for WvW right now, since WvW offers pretty solid XP.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 09:01 PM

View Postchuckles79, on 29 August 2012 - 06:33 PM, said:

No, it's going to get worse and worse until you have to stay logged in 24/7 to have a slot.

Which is why I'm trying to stir people up to petition ANet to start brainstorming  for solutions now.
Either ramp up capacity (which I actually feel would not be a winning strategy).

This.

Its not WvWvW if the world cannot participate, its just a larger version of structured PvP with broken queues.  DAOC had full WvWvW no queues

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 09:16 PM

I actually think that the most populated serves like NS, GOM, etc will see a decrease in que times as people transfer.  Some guilds will realize piling a bunch of people into one server to dominate eliminates the fun because you have to sit in a que forever.  For me being on a winning server doesn't mean anything if I never get to participate.  I anticipate some guilds will find new homes and that will free up more spots for others.

On less populated servers with no ques or short ones they may see que times increase as those players join those servers.  IMO there will be a lot of movement in the next month or two and then we will see servers stabilize.

However I am hopeful that Anet relaxes the ques for larger battles.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 10:55 PM

View Postchuckles79, on 29 August 2012 - 06:33 PM, said:

No, it's going to get worse and worse until you have to stay logged in 24/7 to have a slot.

Which is why I'm trying to stir people up to petition ANet to start brainstorming  for solutions now.
Either ramp up capacity (which I actually feel would not be a winning strategy) or add new battlegrounds to the map.  1-2 maps would thin out the servers a bit.  As more people take up the game, low population servers will become a non-issue and maybe even some guilds will migrate to those to have more  impact.

Remember, once you've killed Zhaitan with 1-3 characters, PvP and Wvw are all that are left.

I kinda feel the same way.. what people don't realize is a TON of people aren't even going into wv3 right now preferring to level up and gear their toons up and get skillpoints/etc..

wv3 is a *HUGE* part of the "End Game" of GW2

anyone who thinks queues will lessen are in for a surprise..

if anything, the more people level up, the more they'll bravely venture into wv3 whereas they haven't before feeling their characters too weak

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 01:30 AM

Today I had no queue on GoM getting into two different borderlands. Didn't try the others. Of course, we were getting slaughtered by Jade Quarry, unable to get out of spawn, so that might have had something to do with it.

Edited by eviator, 30 August 2012 - 01:31 AM.


#22 Kaylos21

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 01:57 AM

Unless this game flops, I wouldn't expect the queues to get better any time soon.

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 02:19 AM

View PostKaylos21, on 30 August 2012 - 01:57 AM, said:

Unless this game flops, I wouldn't expect the queues to get better any time soon.

But if the queues stay bad, the game will be a WvWvW flop

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 05:03 AM

View Postscyatic, on 30 August 2012 - 02:19 AM, said:



But if the queues stay bad, the game will be a WvWvW flop

"nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded" #Yogi

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 07:12 AM

God I hope so 2 hour quene for Borderlands tonight, got in 20 minutes before servers went down. :(

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 11:30 AM

View PostKaylos21, on 30 August 2012 - 01:57 AM, said:

Unless this game flops, I wouldn't expect the queues to get better any time soon.

ANet needs to do SOMETHING to remedy the issue, though I understand if they want to wait a couple of weeks to see if it fixes itself naturally. Some of us play specifically for the W3 and waiting 1-2 hours to get in is just messed up. I'm not outright complaining though as much as simply stating a fact: if ANet leaves the queue issue unresolved and it remains as long as it has been, some will leave. Int he short term this won't affect the company but in the long term it can

#27 Leiloni

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 05:33 PM

Just found this on Twitter. If they don't do something about WvW queues this is going to be a huge problem for the game with a lot of rightfully unhappy players unable to access game content. I do not want to leave my guild and transfer to a crappy low pop server simply so I can do WvW.

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Oh it's a popular part of the game?! No shit Sherlock! I queue for WvW every single night and have not gotten in for days.

Edited by Leiloni, 30 August 2012 - 05:34 PM.


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Posted 30 August 2012 - 05:43 PM

Over 1.5 +  hours for a queue was very frustrating.  I say that time because that's how long I have been queued before I gave up.

What I think they need to do besides increasing the player cap:

Allow to queue for all 4 WvW at the same time.   So you can at least get to the meat of the game you want to play.

Also when your wanting to queue for a single WvW show in the tool tip what one you are queued for... yes after 30 min I may of forgotten which one I was set to.

Lastly, a queue time.  At least show me how long I have been queued.  On top of that maybe an estimated average for how long till I will be in.

Edited by Lewzephyr, 30 August 2012 - 05:44 PM.


#29 El_Polo_Loco

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 05:49 PM

I'm not even apologizing anymore, there are servers with no que times.  If you are a good player and your guild is considered good then move to a low pop server and fight the good fight.  This thread to me reads like "Well I don't want to leave because I don't want to lose."  It's similiar to stacking in a fps because you're on a losing team. Want to play wv3 play on a team that needs help.  Fight the machine!

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 06:08 PM

View PostEl_Polo_Loco, on 30 August 2012 - 05:49 PM, said:

I'm not even apologizing anymore, there are servers with no que times.  If you are a good player and your guild is considered good then move to a low pop server and fight the good fight.  This thread to me reads like "Well I don't want to leave because I don't want to lose."  It's similiar to stacking in a fps because you're on a losing team. Want to play wv3 play on a team that needs help.  Fight the machine!

I don't want to leave, because I like playing PvE with the guild I am in as well.  And they are on the server I am on.
If guesting was in game and working, then I would have 0 issue with moving to a lesser played server.
I am ok with being an underdog...




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