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[blargian]

Netherscourge, on 27 August 2012 - 07:02 PM, said:

If he skipped all the "Hearts" he can't buy any of the vendor sets/items... he'd have to go back and unlock all those things.

Apparently, he leveled up doing nothing but Crafting.

(Not saying he would want all of them - just saying if he did he'd have to go back and get Karma)

if the game is like they say he doesnt need karma he can craft the end game gear

[IraeAdi]

well i know few people who did it with the method posted by me. i don't know if he used it but some did. and getting the high level mats is even hard with a guild. because of the respawn times and of course you need to pass the high level mobi. i play since the first minute and i got to lvl 56 till now (with sleep). so i couldn't get the high level materials for him even if i wanted to. so i don't think they could do it in 18 hours. with what? lvl 25 chars running into lvl 60-70 zones?

Edited by IraeAdi, 27 August 2012 - 07:57 PM.

[Vlak]

blargian, on 27 August 2012 - 07:53 PM, said:

if the game is like they say he doesnt need karma he can craft the end game gear

Yes there are several ways to obtain equally potent gear at level 80

[ClimacticGaming]

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I am only shocked that it took nearly 3 days.

Wtf are you talking about? It says 18 hours...and that was with the servers and stuff going down for several hours. He got it on Sunday...

READ!

[HeroYouFear]

Treya, on 27 August 2012 - 06:49 PM, said:

An interesting feat has been made by a player that goes by the name Surfeuze. Taking advantage of crafting XP, the guy was able to get to 80 in only the first 18 hours.

Naturally, this comes as a bit of a shock, considering the game hasn't even officially launched yet lol.

http://www.gamezone....nusual-leveling

I'm sorry, i am calling **** on this.

1st. No way in 18 hours he had time to play, gather resources and craft.
2nd. He couldn't have bought it from the trading outpost, because it only worked for 30min and noone has top mats anyways.

How can anyone even believe in this?

What he did was run to Gandorra Fiels and abuse the 2min boss spwan that gives 1000xp and 100 karma every 2 minutes.

There are tons of people in there getting 10 levels per playing session, some of them are already lvl 40/50+

Edited by HeroYouFear, 27 August 2012 - 08:57 PM.

[Leiloni]

It took him 32 hours, not 18. You can even see it in the screenshot in the chat log. The 18 hours thing is the hour of the day on Sunday that he officially hit 80 - 6pm.

Here's the post on his guild website that talks about it including screens:
http://www.warlegend...vizunah-square/

Edit: Also the above poster is correct from what I read elsewhere - lots of event farming with a guild group (which is an exploit they're supposedly fixing already) and crafting for the last few levels.

Edited by Leiloni, 27 August 2012 - 09:03 PM.

[Brine]

HeroYouFear, on 27 August 2012 - 08:56 PM, said:

I'm sorry, i am calling **** on this.

1st. No way in 18 hours he had time to play, gather resources and craft.
2nd. He couldn't have bought it from the trading outpost, because it only worked for 30min and noone has top mats anyways.

How can anyone even believe in this?

What he did was run to Gandorra Fiels and abuse the 2min boss spwan that gives 1000xp and 100 karma every 2 minutes.

There are tons of people in there getting 10 levels per playing session, some of them are already lvl 40/50+

well
his guildmates can feed him crafting mats.

[Metameta]

IraeAdi, on 27 August 2012 - 07:37 PM, said:

It was done by farming events with very low respawn time. you can just stand there and use a g15 makro for autoattacking. every 2-5 mins spawns a veteran which gives then 2k exp. 20-30 people just standing there and pressing g15 autoattack veteran down in 10 secs. you can go to sleep or whatever you want to and level till 80 in few hours.
there are a few spots for that. hope guru will do a news about that, because this is bullshit for anyone doing it the long and fair way.

If people are playing the game this way it just goes to show how you ruined the typical MMO-gamer mindset is these days.

It's not even about playing the game any more for enjoyment.

[PoisonedTea]

Treya, on 27 August 2012 - 07:30 PM, said:

Well with an entire guild at your disposal, do you really have to struggle to get those mats? How hard can it be to slip into the high level areas and sneak past high level mobs to get the good stuff.

I thought of this as well

But the fact that you can't farm it without better tools
That you need to be higher lvl to use.

So that not going to work.

[Zerphane]

Metameta, on 27 August 2012 - 09:21 PM, said:

If people are playing the game this way it just goes to show how you ruined the typical MMO-gamer mindset is these days.

It's not even about playing the game any more for enjoyment.

Very true, no one really cares your 80 have fun being alone and not being able to group and enjoy the game with others, but hey whatever floats your boat right?

[Amlin]

Pretty cool way to level actually, could be useful for my alts when I ever decide to make them.

[Nox_Aeterna]

Zerphane, on 27 August 2012 - 10:31 PM, said:

Very true, no one really cares your 80 have fun being alone and not being able to group and enjoy the game with others, but hey whatever floats your boat right?

Actually that guy got it pretty neat since this is GW2.

He now can go to the low lvl areas and play anyway , with bonus that he is now getting the skill points he will need for the legendary weapon

[Nukk]

I'm not congratulating anyone on doing something that WE ALL knew was possible (craft to level).

GW2 is like sex, coming first is not always a good thing.

[Finder]

Well I hope if he used some sort of exploit I hope Anet doesn't screwup the game trying to combat exploiters, botters and macroers.

Blizzard did that with Diablo 3, their attempts to stop bots and exploiters did a lot more to hurt the game for me than the botters and exploiters did.

[Vlak]

Finder, on 27 August 2012 - 10:51 PM, said:

Well I hope if he used some sort of exploit I hope Anet doesn't screwup the game trying to combat exploiters, botters and macroers.

Blizzard did that with Diablo 3, their attempts to stop bots and exploiters did a lot more to hurt the game for me than the botters and exploiters did.

The exploiters/botters would eventually ruin the game. It's a fact. The market would crash, the rarest items would be like a penny. This would ruin the player experience immensely and further cripple the diablo 3 playerbase.

[Red_Falcon]

The 80s did it through exploiting craft and DEs so there is no "achievement" here.
I actually hope they get punished for causing downtimes to everyone due to their exploits.

[Vlak]

Red_Falcon, on 28 August 2012 - 02:48 PM, said:

The 80s did it through exploiting craft and DEs so there is no "achievement" here.
I actually hope they get punished for causing downtimes to everyone due to their exploits.

What's to punish? It was XP given within the limits of the game. XP was intended for both of these scenarios. It's ANet's fault for overlooking potential weak spots in the leveling experience.

[Gen1tor]

Anet has stated that we ought to gain 10 lvls per each discipline maximized so I guess this guy didn't exploit anything. Sure he was fast because guild fed him with mats etc but it's just a record. I bet he has already rolled a second char and started playing as everyone else.

Even i got 5 lvls only by crafting jewels with mats I gathered myself and barely touching 130 jewelcraft!

[Vlak]

Gen1tor, on 28 August 2012 - 02:58 PM, said:

Anet has stated that we ought to gain 10 lvls per each discipline maximized so I guess this guy didn't exploit anything. Sure he was fast because guild fed him with mats etc but it's just a record. I bet he has already rolled a second char and started playing as everyone else.

Even i got 5 lvls only by crafting jewels with mats I gathered myself and barely touching 130 jewelcraft!

That's pretty awesome. I took a different approach. Instead I went to explore other starter zones. You wouldn't think there would be very big XP potential, but you're also maxxed in all of the DEs and eHeart completions; so as you can imagine, your XP climbs fairly quickly.

I'm sure there are faster ways of leveling but I'm not an altoholic. I enjoy one main and I am a completionist.

[BlueTooth]

Congrats for him not using any exploits or bugs to get to lvl 80.

Edited by BlueTooth, 29 August 2012 - 04:41 PM.

[Vahkris]

Update on this from Mike O'Brien himself on Reddit: http://www.reddit.co...rfeuze_and_war/

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As you may have read, Surfeuze was the first character to reach level 80, racing there in only 32 hours during the headstart period.
I'd like to apologize for writing an earlier comment that cast doubt on his accomplishment. At the same time Surfeuze was racing to level 80, we were tracking and talking with other players who were racing toward 80 as well, using a technique that really shouldn't be that lucrative and that we're making changes to fix. We believed one of those players would be first to 80, and when Surfeuze posted of his accomplishment, I mistakenly thought he was a player who had used that technique.

In fact he wasn't. Surfeuze played normal PvE content to level 60, although obviously racing past everything he could, and then leveled from 60 to 80 through crafting. His secret weapon was his strong team supplying him with crafting materials. That allowed him to jump ahead of everyone else in those last 20 levels.

So congratulations to Surfeuze, legitimately the first player to reach level 80.
~ MO

Apparently crafting was only the final 20 levels.  Perhaps OP can be updated? (it was legitimate and actually took 32 hours)

Edited by Vahkris, 28 August 2012 - 03:14 PM.

[Tamas]

Well good for him. Everyone should play the way they like. He is 80? Good for him.

[Hopix]

Sebastianos, on 27 August 2012 - 07:28 PM, said:

I thought Anet set up crafting XP like that intentionally.

Same, I remember them saying you could get to level 80 through doing purely non-combat, something like that. They've also been constantly promoting the idea of playing/leveling how you want, it's a key aspect of the gameplay.

There's no problem here at all really. I hope they don't severely nerf crafting XP or whatever because of this.

[HappyDragon]

According to a Reddit post by Mike O'Brien, he did it in 32 hours, and he didn't exploit anything. Crafting is supposed to give XP. The XP given is the normal amount set by Anet. There's no bug that gives high amounts of crafting XP, thus, crafting to 80 isn't cheating. Here's the Reddit thread, by the way.

[Red_Falcon]

Vlak, on 28 August 2012 - 02:54 PM, said:

What's to punish? It was XP given within the limits of the game. XP was intended for both of these scenarios. It's ANet's fault for overlooking potential weak spots in the leveling experience.

All games have exploitable mechanics, but purposely exploiting them for own gain is player's fault.

It's like saying that people who transfer marijuana from nation to nation are just "moving plants around, it's world's fault if the plant is worth a ton". Come on.

[Vlak]

Red_Falcon, on 28 August 2012 - 03:33 PM, said:

All games have exploitable mechanics, but purposely exploiting them for own gain is player's fault.

It's like saying that people who transfer marijuana from nation to nation are just "moving plants around, it's world's fault if the plant is worth a ton". Come on.

Yea except the analogy is flawed, Marijuana is illegal in many countries. It doesn't violate EULA to level to 80 using crafting methods.

[Red_Falcon]

Vlak, on 28 August 2012 - 03:57 PM, said:

Yea except the analogy is flawed, Marijuana is illegal in many countries. It doesn't violate EULA to level to 80 using crafting methods.

Exploiting is illegal in the game too.
Exploting means getting a serious advantage out of a mechanic that isn't supposed to be used in such a way.

But hey! If you believe you're right then go ahead and exploit, get banned and learn the lesson.

[Vlak]

Red_Falcon, on 28 August 2012 - 05:35 PM, said:

Exploiting is illegal in the game too.
Exploting means getting a serious advantage out of a mechanic that isn't supposed to be used in such a way.

But hey! If you believe you're right then go ahead and exploit, get banned and learn the lesson.

You aren't supposed to get XP from crafting? I'm not sure I understand where you're going with this.

I've got news for you, it's not an advantage if everyone can do it.

Edited by Vlak, 28 August 2012 - 05:45 PM.

[Red Sonya]

Netherscourge, on 27 August 2012 - 06:53 PM, said:

How is this cause for concern?

He'll be downleveled to whatever everyone is - in PvP or PvE - until everyone else is level 80 too.

AND he can't buy anything without Karma Points.

But he can CRAFT things an make a buttload of money before the rest of us get to 80 the correct way and normal way. These are the kind of players who get to SET the rules of the economy first and of course they are  ALWAYS bloated with high prices and until more players can get to 80 and max levels in crafting there's nothing that can be done about it. So THIS is the reason this kind of playing and leveling is bad for the game. The HIGH prices of things to come until a large bulk of players reach 80 and max out in crafting and can start undercutting this persons prices. Also the ability to aquire large amounts of GEMS because he can set the prices will net him a lot of stuff he wouldn't have otherwise been able to aquire had he played normally.

This is what becomes "unfair" to the rest of the community or at least those who intend to BUY their gear and craft. They are put at a major disadvantage for perhaps months and of course will cost them profits in the long run if they are crafters. They will pay out the nose because they want to have the best just like anyone else. Of course there will be those that don't care, but, there's always those that do care and that makes a problem that needs to be solved.

I've always said they need to scale down experienc gain as you play constantly and it should be ACCOUNT wide so they can't jump from character to character to try to level up several at a time. If they would scale experience it would certain slow down these 27/7 players advancement and still be fair to those that can only play 2-4 hours a day. Plus Crafting should give minimal experience like 1-10pts at the very most.

But, this is Guild Wars and if anyone remembers Guild Wars 1 you remember the goal was that everyone could get to max level and max gear within a very short amout of time and then PVP was the only thing left and that's what GW2 is looking like now also. There's a story of course and lots of content but the end result is still the same.

[caveslug]

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ArenaNet's Mike O'Brien wrote, "Level 80 is always something to celebrate, but be aware that this was not through normal leveling. A few users have made us aware of unusual ways to level very fast. We're fixing these issues as I type."

This should be the real discussion why and what are they "fixing"
FFS the guy had a guild feeding him mats, its not huge surprise he hit 80 so fast.