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#31 LumenLazrin

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 11:30 AM

lets hope that isn't really the way it was meant to be played... doomed as a pc mmo then

View PostKingOfPepsi, on 28 August 2012 - 02:45 AM, said:

I go to my inventory every 20 seconds ...
exactly.

View PostStinkfinger75, on 28 August 2012 - 03:07 AM, said:

Targeting actually works really well.  GW2 is pretty smart about figuring out which target I'm trying to choose.

pretty smart doesn't cut it for good players. we need full control

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 11:30 AM

This is a really good guide. I was wondering how to map skills 6-0 to my controller.

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 11:32 AM

Question to OP:

Would this sort of controller set up solve inventory problems?

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It may also get rid of the naysayers. I applaud your innovation :)

#34 AiponGkooja

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 11:36 AM

Personally, I'm still trying to find a good gaming mouse that I like, but this looks really fun so I might give it a try! Thanks OP.


View PostIron Legionnaire, on 28 August 2012 - 04:32 AM, said:

I will probably never understand why anyone in their right mind would prefer a controller over a keyboard + mouse... as someone continually aggravated at console shooters and other console games that would be vastly improved with keyboard + mouse...

You realize that's only due to the superiority of a mouse for aiming and character rotation speed, right?  Everything else about a controller is better ergonomically and reaction-speed-wise.  Well, aside from the limited number of buttons, but that's not really a problem for GW2.

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#35 Verveinh

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 11:37 AM

*Play Guild Wars 2 as it's meant to be played, with a controller.*


The teacher said it, so dear pupils please OBEY lol

Who are you dude ?

Why didnt you call your topic : I prefer to use a controller, what about you?

TYVM we dont need teachers like you : WE ARE FREE ok?

#36 Fleshgrinder

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 12:23 PM

I prefer not to handicap my turning speed and I like to avoid the paralyzing handcramps that result from the use of something built for children's hands.

I also prefer having access to my 50+ keybinds.

And I don't like my movement being so sluggish, like it is with an analogue stick.

I prefer precision in my mobility.

Edited by Fleshgrinder, 28 August 2012 - 12:24 PM.


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Posted 28 August 2012 - 12:29 PM

Why are people so anti controler? I have been playing PC and console games since the atari 2600 and commodore 64 and all you new generation console kids have your panties in a wad. I have a Logitech G510 keyboard and G600 mouse and would love a controller too. WHY? Because there are times I would love to sit back in my computer chair with my feet proped up on the desk and just kick back and still be able to play Guild Wars 2 with my controls at my fingetips.

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 12:36 PM

I can see the viability of this and there's no reason why some people shouldn't be able to play with a controller. It's not a big deal. I personally can't fathom being able to do it, but to each his own.

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 12:36 PM

View PostVorch, on 28 August 2012 - 11:32 AM, said:

Question to OP:

Would this sort of controller set up solve inventory problems?

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It may also get rid of the naysayers. I applaud your innovation :)

That is an excellent suggestion.  I'm not sure that the chat pad works on PC, but I am going to look into it.

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 12:41 PM

View PostLinfang, on 28 August 2012 - 12:29 PM, said:

Why are people so anti controler? I have been playing PC and console games since the atari 2600 and commodore 64 and all you new generation console kids have your panties in a wad. I have a Logitech G510 keyboard and G600 mouse and would love a controller too. WHY? Because there are times I would love to sit back in my computer chair with my feet proped up on the desk and just kick back and still be able to play Guild Wars 2 with my controls at my fingetips.

It's not so much that we're anti controller... let me give you an analogy.

The mouse and keyboard is the ferrari of game control. Preference aside, if you look into the statistics of button key response times, mouse range of movement etc, there's no argument that when speaking straight physics and stats, the KB/M combo is superior.

So I drive a ferrari.

Then some guy walks up, looks at my ferrari and goes "my VW bug is better."

He doesn't say "I like my VW bug better", he makes an absolute statement of fact, such as "play GW2 as it's MEANT to be played."

It doesn't bother me that HE likes his VW bug better, but if he's going to start acting like it IS superior, I'm going to show him the flaws in his reasoning.

Yes, some people PREFER a controller, but a KB/M is the PHYSICALLY superior controller.

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 01:19 PM

If the man want's to play with a controller, what's the big deal? Why do you care?

I'd never do it, because for me, the mouse is just a far superior type of peripheral for games than any type of controller (and I've tried using them in other games, even ones designed for one, like Skyrim), but if that's the way someone chooses to play, why would you hate on it? It's not like he's making you use one too.

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 01:24 PM

It does seem like a console game more than a pc game, it's one of the only flaws.

#43 Butr0sButr0s

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 01:31 PM

Sounds good to me.  There are times I like to relax, put a game on my hdtv, sit on the couch, and plug in the controller.  I wouldn't do so for intense pvp but if I was just exploring or doing some dynamic events it would be a nice change to recline with the gamepad.

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 03:22 PM

Some people can't deal with a different perpective.  Why can't any of you appreciate what this person was trying to do, help others who share his playstyle.  Its sad the hostility you all showed him and the shame you all brought yourself for acting better than him over your hardware setup in an online video game. Just because you enjoy your keyboard and mouse and have your "50+ Keybinds" (Thats just sad man, for real, think about it, its sad), doesn't mean someone who would rather use a controller is wrong or plays worse than you.  First this is an MMO, I don't care about your sPVP or W v W "skill" (What a joke), the game doesn't take that much skill or reaction speed so chill out and stop lying to yourself.  Your not playing CoD or CS:S, its GW2.  Also, don't ever compare using a kb/m over a controller to driving a Ferrari.  Your not driving a Ferrari, your clicking and pressing 14-15 buttons on a keyboard, never all at the same time.  Your not driving a highly advanced sports car at 130+ mph.  You take yourself way too seriously, and you would never speak to someone face to face like that, I can just tell by the way you interact with someone who was honestly trying to help people with button mapping a controller.  A controller that uses two analog sticks and at least 12-14 buttons, more than enough for a game if this speed and complexity.  Anybody who sits around and plays PvP "competitively" in an online RPG needs to re-evaluate their life.  Oh and try to react to someone like that in real life, none of you will, because you thrive in the annominimity of the internet.  Sad people you all are for treating someone like that, and trying to make yourselves feel better in the process.

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 03:24 PM

View PostStinkfinger75, on 28 August 2012 - 02:43 AM, said:

Yes, with a controller.

Stay with me here.

I have been perfecting my profile since beta weekend 2 and am excited to say that it works flawlessly.  You can now play Guild Wars 2 as a third person action game, and honestly, it feels like it was designed to be played this way.

Yes, you can easily cast ground targeted spells.  Yes, all of the controls fit on the controller.  Yes, the ease of movement, casting, and attacking trumps anything you can do with a keyboard and mouse.  Yes, it feels a bit like cheating.

As a note, this profile was created to replace the keyboard and mouse for combat only.  Let's not be naive, the keyboard and mouse is still the way to go for menu navigation, inventory, etc, but for minute to minute gameplay you will never need to touch the keyboard and mouse.

See all my notes and grab my profile right here:
http://pinnaclegamep...66670#post66670

And grab a 30 day trial of Pinnacle right here:
http://pinnaclegamep...gp-30-day-trial

Enjoy! :lol:

Good stuff. This may be just the hook I need to seal the deal with some console buddies I'm trying to get into this game. Accessibility and options for preferential controls is never a bad thing.

#46 Netherscourge

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 03:27 PM

Skyrim PC runs perfectly on a Xbox 360 controller.

I might try it for this game too - since it's so movement-based.

Honestly, I find this game uncomfortable to play with a keyboard at the moment.

It's very hard to move around and use skills at the same time with a KB+M setup.

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 03:30 PM

View PostXuphor, on 28 August 2012 - 02:55 AM, said:


Get a Razer Naga instead. It's a 17 programmable button mouse (essentially has a 12 key numpad built in on it's side, but you can set the keys for whatever button you want) that only takes maybe 3 days to get use to. It also has a programmable Macro system.

The Naga's alright but don't expect much more than 12 months usage out of them... They tend to develop a double-clicking bug after repeated use. They're useful if you've got cash to burn but I can't really reccomend 'em after my experiences.

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 03:32 PM

View PostStinkfinger75, on 28 August 2012 - 12:36 PM, said:

That is an excellent suggestion.  I'm not sure that the chat pad works on PC, but I am going to look into it.

Any update on the chatpad's functionality? I'm going to look into running with a controller for doing solo-PvE things. I work as a fulltime 50hrs/week graphic designer and my hands get far too much keyboard/mouse time from that. Even with proper ergonomic seating and frequent breaks/hand stretches - my hands can sometimes still ache after a difficult/frustrating day. Sometimes when I get home I want to kick my feet on my desk and plop back with a controller.

edit: I actually own a Naga Epic and love it. I wouldn't use a controller for PvP. I'd use it for doing Heart Quests, exploration/map completion, etc.

Edited by Krecion, 28 August 2012 - 03:34 PM.


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Posted 28 August 2012 - 03:35 PM

There really is no argument as to whether a keyboard and mouse is better than a controller or not. I'm not trying to sound elitist, but it really is pretty much based in fact. The mouse grants any player a much greater sensitivity than any controller can, and while somebody skilled with a controller could beat someone not so skilled at a keyboard, any fight at the relatively same skill level comes out with the pc gamer winning. I remember a while back people actually tried to play xbox 360 players against pc gamers and got smashed. It wasn't because the pc gamers were better, their controls were simply better. the keyboard allows for a far greater degree of customization than a controller, although I will say that some movement may be better with a controller. Overall, aiming, customization, and accessibility would go to a keyboard and mouse.

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 03:37 PM

The Keyboard + Mouse Setup is really only needed for games that require pinpoint AIMING and Micromanagement- like FPS shooters and RTS games.

And the only MMO's that need it are the ones that require more than 10 Action Bar Buttons to be instantly accessible at the same time.

You can easily swap through skills on a Controller and assign your most used ones to specific buttons.

The Right stick moves you. The Left stick can move the camera. The D-pad can ground targeted skills. The Shutter button can be held down to let you cycle skills.

It's not as bad as some PC elitists make it out to be.

And as it was said above - you can use a Controller + Keyboard + Mouse all at the same time for whatever you need to (Chatting, Menus, etc...)

It's actually narrow-minded to just limit yourself intentionally because you have fear of Console-Stigma. It's laughable actually.

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 03:44 PM

View PostStinkfinger75, on 28 August 2012 - 12:36 PM, said:

That is an excellent suggestion.  I'm not sure that the chat pad works on PC, but I am going to look into it.

Google can direct you to an unofficial driver available for the 360 chatpad (or click here), but it appears to only work on wired controllers. The problem with that peripheral is it's more expensive, has lower build quality, and less versatility than a full size wireless USB keyboard. It does put all the letters within reach of your controller for some limited poke typing ability.

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 03:50 PM

View PostNetherscourge, on 28 August 2012 - 03:37 PM, said:

The Keyboard + Mouse Setup is really only needed for games that require pinpoint AIMING and Micromanagement- like FPS shooters and RTS games.

And the only MMO's that need it are the ones that require more than 10 Action Bar Buttons to be instantly accessible at the same time.

You can easily swap through skills on a Controller and assign your most used ones to specific buttons.

The Right stick moves you. The Left stick can move the camera. The D-pad can ground targeted skills. The Shutter button can be held down to let you cycle skills.

It's not as bad as some PC elitists make it out to be.

And as it was said above - you can use a Controller + Keyboard + Mouse all at the same time for whatever you need to (Chatting, Menus, etc...)

It's actually narrow-minded to just limit yourself intentionally because you have fear of Console-Stigma. It's laughable actually.

But that's not why I am using a KB/M.

I choose the KB/M over controller because

a ) a mouse has more range of movement and faster movement than an analogue stick
b ) my keybinding set up gives me 50+ keybinds, more than is possible on a controller.
c ) I find controllers uncomfortable to use, they are built for people with small hands. The 360 controller is better than most for this, but the PS3 controller is unusable by someone with hands my size.

So I'm not using a KB/M because I fear a stigma, I'm using it because it's physically superior in every way.

When you're a life-long PC gamer, a mouse and keyboard ceases being less comfortable than a controller.

For me, gaming on a couch is uncomfortable as it makes me try to adjust my natural hunch and clawed hands into an unnatural shape.

I'm 30, this "PC gamer hunch" is a permanent curve in my spine at this point, I find sitting in computer chairs to be the most comfortable method of sitting.

Edited by Fleshgrinder, 28 August 2012 - 03:51 PM.


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Posted 28 August 2012 - 03:56 PM

Nothing can beat Keyboard and mouse for MMO's. Plus the comfort argument is a load of rubbish, fingers cramping up can become an issue for some when using a controller.

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 03:56 PM

View PostFleshgrinder, on 28 August 2012 - 03:50 PM, said:

But that's not why I am using a KB/M.

I choose the KB/M over controller because

a ) a mouse has more range of movement and faster movement than an analogue stick
b ) my keybinding set up gives me 50+ keybinds, more than is possible on a controller.
c ) I find controllers uncomfortable to use, they are built for people with small hands. The 360 controller is better than most for this, but the PS3 controller is unusable by someone with hands my size.

So I'm not using a KB/M because I fear a stigma, I'm using it because it's physically superior in every way.

When you're a life-long PC gamer, a mouse and keyboard ceases being less comfortable than a controller.

For me, gaming on a couch is uncomfortable as it makes me try to adjust my natural hunch and clawed hands into an unnatural shape.

I'm 30, this "PC gamer hunch" is a permanent curve in my spine at this point, I find sitting in computer chairs to be the most comfortable method of sitting.

You can sit at your PC desk in your PC chair and hold the controller, you know!

When I play Skyrim, I have my controller right in front of my keyboard. So I can put it down and use the Keyboard/Mouse the few times I need to.

Heck, on the other side, some PC gamers use wireless keyboards/mouse on lapdesks while sitting on their couch and use those big 1080p HDTV's as their monitors.

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 04:01 PM

View PostNetherscourge, on 28 August 2012 - 03:56 PM, said:


You can sit at your PC desk in your PC chair and hold the controller, you know!

When I play Skyrim, I have my controller right in front of my keyboard. So I can put it down and use the Keyboard/Mouse the few times I need to.

Heck, on the other side, some PC gamers use wireless keyboards/mouse on lapdesks while sitting on their couch and use those big 1080p HDTV's as their monitors.

But why would I use the controller?

It does nothing better than my KB/M.

It's less precise, has less range of movement, and less buttons to bind.

It's like having a drill and screw driver. Sure, I CAN use the screwdriver... but I own a drill with a screw-driver bit.

I guess I could use the controller as a novelty or something.

I just don't see why I am downgrading.

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 04:03 PM

View PostFleshgrinder, on 28 August 2012 - 03:50 PM, said:

But that's not why I am using a KB/M.

I choose the KB/M over controller because

a ) a mouse has more range of movement and faster movement than an analogue stick
b ) my keybinding set up gives me 50+ keybinds, more than is possible on a controller.
c ) I find controllers uncomfortable to use, they are built for people with small hands. The 360 controller is better than most for this, but the PS3 controller is unusable by someone with hands my size.


a ) This is true. Mouse is faster and more precise than an analog stick can ever be.
b ) Shift state toggles solves this. It's easy to bind 50+ or even 70+ keys on a controller. I think I have ~40-50 now, but I can add more. Simultaneous inputs is a limitation to this solution.
c ) That's subjective preference. It is therefore true for you, but not for everyone.

I find keyboards uncomfortable to use for gaming, including and especially for wasd movement, jumping, skill activation, and dodging. Fortunately, neither a mouse nor a keyboard is in fact required to play GW2 despite the fact that they are listed in the official system requirements. I do have a wireless KB/M as well, for typing and/or menus.

Edited by MisterB, 28 August 2012 - 04:10 PM.


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Posted 28 August 2012 - 04:04 PM

View PostAdam2190, on 28 August 2012 - 03:56 PM, said:

Nothing can beat Keyboard and mouse for MMO's. Plus the comfort argument is a load of rubbish, fingers cramping up can become an issue for some when using a controller.

It's not rubbish. Plenty of days when I've come home from a full day on the computer (I'm a graphic designer) and my hands have slightly cramped. Cramped even with proper seating ergonomics and frequent breaks/hand stretches every five to ten minutes. Although, despite the cramping, a controller suits my hand pleasantly and I experience no pain or discomfort.

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 04:06 PM

View PostMisterB, on 28 August 2012 - 04:03 PM, said:

a ) This is true. Mouse is faster and more precise than an analog stick can ever be.
b ) Shift state toggles solves this. It's easy to bind 50+ or even 70+ keys on a controller. I think I have ~40-50 now, but I can add more. Simultaneous inputs is a limitation to this solution.
c ) That's subjective preference. It is therefore true for you, but not for everyone.

But with b, now I'm going out of my way to create a complex set of buttons using shift states to emulate what my keyboard already does without modification.

And with C, yes, that was kind of my point.

A controller is not objectively "more comfortable", it is simply more comfortable for some.

Some of us find literally no benefit to using a controller. It offers me nothing.

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 04:10 PM

View PostXuphor, on 28 August 2012 - 02:55 AM, said:

No..... this is a terrible idea. You can't check inventory stats, you can't use the trading post, you can't text chat without a keyboard anyway, Ground casting would NOT be that easy, just no.....

Get a Razer Naga instead. It's a 17 programmable button mouse (essentially has a 12 key numpad built in on it's side, but you can set the keys for whatever button you want) that only takes maybe 3 days to get use to. It also has a programmable Macro system.

Everything would be viable except for the ground target abilities. It's just not responsive enough on a controller to stay competitive with other players.

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 04:15 PM

View PostKrecion, on 28 August 2012 - 04:04 PM, said:

It's not rubbish. Plenty of days when I've come home from a full day on the computer (I'm a graphic designer) and my hands have slightly cramped. Cramped even with proper seating ergonomics and frequent breaks/hand stretches every five to ten minutes. Although, despite the cramping, a controller suits my hand pleasantly and I experience no pain or discomfort.
That's why I said some people, my thumbs occasionally cramp up when using a controller. Yet I have no issues at all with a keyboard and mouse. My point is just because something is good for him it doesn't mean it is for everyone else.





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