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Has anyone crunched the numbers on illusion making speed yet?

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#1 OldCrow

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 05:44 AM

Let's say over a two minute period, whats the fastest we can create illusions, phantasms, and clones?

#2 Carighan

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 08:01 AM

Everything except Scepter #1 is pretty easy to compute (how do I get the Scepter attack speed?).
The unit of this will be C/s, Clones per second.


Non-weapon abilities
Decoy (40s CD) - 0,025 C/s
Mirror Images (45s CD) - 0,044 C/s
Phantasmal Disenchanter (20s CD) - 0,05 C/s
Phantasmal Defender (30s CD) - 0,03... C/s

Maximum: ~0,12 C/s, or 7,2 Clones per minute.

Downed
Deception (15s CD) - 0,06... C/s
Phantasmal Rogue (20s CD) - 0,05 C/s

Total: ~0,12 C/s, or 7 Clones per minute.

Greatsword
Mirror Blade (8s CD) - 0,125 C/s
Phantasmal Berserker (20s CD) - 0,05 C/s

Total: 0,175 C/s or 10,5 Clones per minute.

Staff
Phase Retreat (10s CD) - 0,1 C/s
Phantasmal Warlock (18s CD) - 0,05... C/s

Total: 0,15 C/s or ~9 Clones per minute.

Scepter
Ether Clone (roughly 3,6s per clone) - 0,27... C/s
Illusionary Counter (12s CD) - assuming 500ms until block happens, 0,08 C/s

Total: ~0,35 C/s, or 21 Clones per minute.

Sword
Illusionary Leap (12s CD) - 0,083... C/s
Illusionary Riposte (15s CD) - again assuming 500ms, 0,065 C/S
Phantasmal Swordsman (15s CD) - 0,06... C/s

Total: Assuming you block a whole lot, 0,21 C/s or 13 Clones per minute.

Focus
Phantasmal Warden (25s CD) - 0,04 C/s

Total: 2,4 Clones per minute.

Pistol
Phantasmal Duelist (15s CD) - 0,06... C/s

Total: 4 Clones per minute.

Torch
Phantasmal Mage (30s CD) 0,03... C/s

Total: 2 Clones per minute.

Spear
Feigned Surge (8s CD) - 0,125 C/s
Illusionary Mariner (why the hell is this not called Phantasmal... ?! - 20s CD) - 0,05 C/s

Total: 0,175 C/s or 10,5 Clones per minute. Due to the way surge works, usually much less than this, however.

Trident
Spinning Revenge (15s CD) - 0,06... C/s
Illusionary Whaler (*breaks something* - 20s CD) - 0,05 C/s

Total: 7 Clones per minute.


Traits
I won't calculate the dodge one, that's not really a stable number.
We can get -20% Illusion CD from 5-Illusions, this results in +25% C/s.
We can get another -20% CD on Phantasms only, again granting those another +25% C/s.


Potential maximum would then be Scepter + OH Sword, resulting in 35,88 Clones per minute baseline.
This is increased by 25% total once (= 44,85) and once again by 25% just for the Phantasms (= 47,1).
So, 47,1 Clones per minute or ~0,785 C/s.
This is without Dodging or triggering Clones on 25% HP.

Interesting problem here is that we can only drain 12 + 6 + 4 + 3 = 25 Clones per minute with Shatters. If you use the Signet of Illusions on CD that'd go up to ~41,6 Clones per minute used, so you can nearly match it. But it'd still take the trait to reset your shatter skills on HP-loss to really keep up with the speed, as the above number was without any trait-generated clones.

Edited by Carighan, 05 September 2012 - 08:12 AM.


#3 frzn

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 08:03 AM

The scepter 1 attack cycle is ~3.60 seconds.

#4 murasamune

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 08:08 AM

jesus christ i wish i could math

#5 Carighan

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 08:12 AM

Awesome, updated. Scepter wins out by a pretty big margin. ;)

#6 Rhynocerous

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 08:17 AM

View PostCarighan, on 05 September 2012 - 08:01 AM, said:

We can get -20% Illusion CD from 5-Illusions, this results in +25% C/s.
We can get another -20% CD on Phantasms only, again granting those another +25% C/s.

Confused about this part. Did you mean to say -20% Illusion CD, and -20% CD on weapon specific skills? What gives you -20% CD on generating phantoms?

#7 Carighan

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 09:44 AM

Argh, made a stupid mistake in figuring in our passives. The numbers per weapon are spot-on, the maximum at the end isn't. I'll get that fixed later and make a spreadsheet from it, busy right now. :)





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