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[Kid]

Personally I do not have any problem with the armor set costing 100+ gold to purchase IF the stats remain highest ingame (being future proof somewhat) or at the very least equals with every other armor in game.

And for the record, every Fissure of Woe armor set has equal stats (same) compare to all the armor sets in the game (collectible or 15k ones). Any arguments regarding the skin would hold if the armor stats retain the similarity of what we have in Guild Wars, but it does not in Guild Wars 2.

As soon as ANET decide to put ascended armor set in game, all the money a person has to pay for the cultural set can be better spent on ascended ones, and these armor sets would become nothing but overpriced trash.

Edited by Kid, 03 December 2012 - 04:31 AM.

[RedStar]

Kid, on 03 December 2012 - 04:25 AM, said:

As soon as ANET decide to put ascended armor set in game, all the money a person has to pay for the cultural set can be better spent on ascended ones, and these armor sets would become nothing but overpriced trash.

Cultural armor is only at a rare level.

[Noob On Steroid]

Cultural armor has always been about the skin, since it was never at max tier. I don't mind it being expensive, it's a long term goal and there's nothing wrong with that.

[Robsy128]

Cultural armour is pretty much all about the skin. I bought two falcon items for my human ranger (female); the head and shoulderpad. I then used fine transmutation stones to change the look of my armour as the falcon armour was at level 55 (or more, but I know it had lower stats than my exotic gear).

[Kid]

RedStar, on 03 December 2012 - 08:26 AM, said:

Cultural armor is only at a rare level.

Did I state it was exotic or something? I am fully aware it is "rare". I was saying instead of buying cultural armor, a person can spend on something far better.

@Robsy128: Well, those two pieces are just 2 golds in total. Tell that to those who happen to like Tier 3 skin and want to transmute every piece of them.

[jinxPad]

I have been playing since headstart, like I'm sure a few of you guys have.  I have full Tier 3 human cultural (- head slot because I don't want em) on both my Ranger and my Mesmer.  

I agree that the price on the items are really high, but definitely not unreachable.  I decided not to go for a legendary because I didn't like either of the Bows, and I don't like the RNG factor of getting a precursor.  With that in mind, and the human cultural armours looking so fricking cool for female characters, I decided to work for these.  I've had my fair share of lucky drops along my adventures (dyes, exotics which sell for 2-4g etc) but I never really grinded out for hours on end at one spot or doing one series of events over and over.

I just played the game - did dungeons with my friends to get other gear, along with the decent amount of money you can make in there, crafted when I had mats and got lucky a few times (managed to get a dreamer precursor which sold for 180g - but by this time I already had kitted out my ranger in tier 3).  It gave me something to work towards, which was awesome, but I just took my time with it.

I find personally that a lot of people complain because they find the game too grindy at times, I can see where they are coming from, but it's also their choice to decide to devote all their time to doing something and doing it a particular way.  Over the course of playing I've found myself in a decent position to start going for a legendary (if I wanted to) so now that's a viable option to me maybe I will, but I'm just going to continue playing the game, and enjoying what it offers to me, and if I get the rest of the mats, great

Edited by jinxPad, 03 December 2012 - 10:55 AM.

[Robsy128]

Kid, on 03 December 2012 - 10:31 AM, said:

@Robsy128: Well, those two pieces are just 2 golds in total. Tell that to those who happen to like Tier 3 skin and want to transmute every piece of them.

I know

If people want tier 3, they have to work for them. Do you honestly expect Arenanet to give some of the best-looking armours away for minimal work? Please... it took people months to get Obsidian in the original Guild Wars. It took weeks for people to get full Vabbi or the really expensive armours.

[RedStar]

Kid, on 03 December 2012 - 10:31 AM, said:

Did I state it was exotic or something? I am fully aware it is "rare". I was saying instead of buying cultural armor, a person can spend on something far better.

By saying that when Ascended armor are in the game, T3 will become overpriced trash because of the stats, you seemed to say that as of right now T3 aren't overpriced trash which could be interpreted as T3 are currently on the same level as the best gear that can be obtained.

But since there was no misunderstanding, no need to continue to talk about this.

[moomooo1]

Comfortably decked out my thief in full t3 cultural and transmuted to Knight's gear which I crafted on my own(running SE and Arah wasn't appealing to me).

Really after the dungeon buff, the money seemed to come out of nowhere. I'd literally log on with friends just to help them level via dungeons, or help them do runs, picking up a couple of nice skins for some weapons. At the end of the night I'd look at myself having made 5-6 gold. This isn't selling any of my ectos(collecting those for my legendary).

It's definitely doable, and I would hate for them to change the prices. It's a prestigious armor look, and boy do most of them look good. If it didn't cost this much, I wouldn't feel nearly as special.

Not to mention, most t3 skins are desirable, so if they were cheaper, you can bet your buck every other average Joe out there would have it too.

What I *wouldn't* mind however, is introducing desirable skins through an achievement based way, that is, acquire sets of armor through skill, not time investment. But I can't really think of a viable way this could be implemented.

[Kaiarra]

geulsae, on 08 November 2012 - 06:39 PM, said:

I must say Sylvari cultural armors are the worst of them all. Difference between tiers is how the leaves are arranged.
Should've incorporated more elements related to plants, nature; bark, vines, water, earth(dirt,rocks), etc..

I wish our t3 light armor had looked like the twilight arbor set, especially as they dumped it on the mesmer character creation screen, so I had always expected it to be cultural since beta... might have bothered to farm the gold for it then.

It's such a shame we have so limited options for the sylvari type armors.

[Taruvoyant]

I don't believe any of the cultural armor is supposed to be viewed as an accomplishment.  They are just expensive skins.  If ANET wanted the cultural armor sets to be viewed as accomplishments, they would have better stats than just rare.  Personally, the only reason I want the medium human T3 is because it's the only armor that looks good on my ranger.  And even then, it's still not optimal (damn trench coats).  It's just an aesthetically pleasing skin that I will transmute into my exotic gear.

[Zhaitan]

The biggest challenge w/ GW2 is really that it has too many currencies and does not have an effective end-game gold sink. In GW, we had Lucky/Unlucky title track that took a lot of money out of the economy. The game by itself was not at all dependent on gold/plats (Please do not argue w/ me about sup absorption and sup vigor costs).

I still don't see the point of having 3 major currencies in this game - Dungeon Tokens, Karma and Gold. Effectively, the whole game can run off 1 currency, i.e., Karma. They could have easily taken Gold out of the equation and let the dungeon tokens be converted into Karma that could be used for buying w/e u like from a central vendor list. There is really absolutely no need to overcrowd already too crowded towns w/ multiple merchants and different kind of vendors.

Cultural set, that way, could have been something that could be accessed by characters who completed the personal storyline or made "significant" contribution in mantaining the world (ie, participating in  a lot of DE in all the zones instead of farming  SOD or Cursed Shore DEs like maniacs) or completed the Dungeon Master achievement so on and so forth.

But, for now, this is the gold sink for people who wanna sink money to look handsome or pretty.

[ShezuTsukai]

Cultural Armor is about to become more irrelevant for anything other than a skin. Once ascended armors are out rare will be a distant third place tier.

Which means you better have a supply of fine ts or be ready to spend in the gem store.

Both of those kind of bother me.

Why are dungeon armors better than cultural stat wise I don't know. But it kind of diminishes the nice skins knowing T3 cultural is third place gear.

[boxterduke]

T3 armor is just for looks. You are telling people that you have gold by getting the armor.
Also if you can afford T3 armor then for sure you are able to afford an exotic set to be transmuted into it and later on an ascended.

Once new expansions come out and anet adds more armor then the choices broaden even more.

[GnomGnomGnom]

Chances are you will have run CoF, AC, or some other explorable a bunch of times to make the 100g so you really should have an exotic armor set to transmute things onto. There is really no reason not to.

[Robsy128]

Yeah, that was a thing I was wondering about. With the addition of Ascended gear, will the current armours such as Tier 3 cultural change to ascended? Or will they just become a cosmetic skin you have the option to farm/grind for? A part of me likes the idea of just having it as cosmetic, but then again it's a bit of a kick in the face when you spend 100 gold on an amour and not have it be the best in the game. Does anyone else have any thoughts on this?

[ShezuTsukai]

I think Anet underestimated what the players would do. They anticipated Rares being the standard max armor and exotics being the unusual overachievers armor. And that's why ascended has been released and costs 250 ectos. (I kow they plan to lower the cost eventually.)

Now as to cultural being a skin then why isn't it a skin like HoM and TP armors?
I think this can all be attributed to Anet underestimation. I hope they adjust to compensate.

Make the cultural exotic or better yet ascended to warrant the price or make them just skins and cut the price in half.

Either way please make them relevant.

[GnomGnomGnom]

ShezuTsukai, on 03 December 2012 - 09:08 PM, said:

I think Anet underestimated what the players would do. They anticipated Rares being the standard max armor and exotics being the unusual overachievers armor. And that's why ascended has been released and costs 250 ectos. (I kow they plan to lower the cost eventually.)

Now as to cultural being a skin then why isn't it a skin like HoM and TP armors?
I think this can all be attributed to Anet underestimation. I hope they adjust to compensate.

Make the cultural exotic or better yet ascended to warrant the price or make them just skins and cut the price in half.

Either way please make them relevant.

What difference is there from HoM or TP armors compared to cultural armors? you can just transmute both onto something albeit the latter needs a stone. I don't get what you are trying to say.

[Flaming_Foxx]

GnomGnomGnom, on 03 December 2012 - 09:21 PM, said:

What difference is there from HoM or TP armors compared to cultural armors? you can just transmute both onto something albeit the latter needs a stone. I don't get what you are trying to say.

HoM = Hall of Monuments (just in case you were thinking Heart of the Mists).
HoM armours are purely skins, they cannot be equipped on their own and MUST be transmuted onto another item. If they were to make Cultural amour the same as HoM armour then it would also be purely a skin, they could lower the price because the amour wouldn't have any stats on it's own.

[GnomGnomGnom]

Flaming_Foxx, on 03 December 2012 - 09:28 PM, said:

HoM = Hall of Monuments (just in case you were thinking Heart of the Mists).
HoM armours are purely skins, they cannot be equipped on their own and MUST be transmuted onto another item. If they were to make Cultural amour the same as HoM armour then it would also be purely a skin, they could lower the price because the amour wouldn't have any stats on it's own.

I do understand what HoM is. Your statement takes into the assumption that ANet would lower the price of the armor if it was just a skin, as opposed to an actual piece of armor. I personally think that the T3 cultural armor is there solely for the appearance. The price would still be the same if it was just a skin like HoM because it is the look, and not the stats, that is important. There is no difference between a HoM skin or a white T3 cultural armor because they want you to stick it onto something else.

Edited by GnomGnomGnom, 03 December 2012 - 10:28 PM.

[Nox_Aeterna]

Well T3 racial is like said by many , a simple skin.

Personally i wonder why people make such fuss over this. I understand that it might be the coolest armor for some people and stuff like that.

But if that is the case , then grind till you get it.

Honestly , im perfectly fine in my full HotW set atm , yeah t3 norn heavy is cool and i might would have used it if the cost was smaller, But hey , we can still get other cool armors.

It is not like FotM and stats heh.

[AKGeo]

jdavet90, on 07 September 2012 - 05:53 AM, said:

5 plat = 5k
500 plat = 500k

And

5plat = 1g
500 plat = 100g
5000 plat = 1000g

Using his equation, of course. And I have to agree with it, if not make it even steeper, like 10 plat = 1g. And that's just farming the money. That doesn't take into account the lack of a gold sink in GW1, compared to the numerous gold sinks in GW2.

Edited by AKGeo, 04 December 2012 - 12:10 AM.

[Hybarf Tics]

I have one thing to say to Anet even if there is an armor there I like, it's highway robery you're not getting my gold.

[MeltyLotus]

My only problem is the cultural armor is the only stuff that fits Charr and Asura. So if I want armor that doesn't have my toes and everything poking out a I have drop 100g plus who knows how much for stones to get good stats on them. I wouldn't mind it if they were exotic.

Part of the problem is most of the armor is just made for humans. They didn't design armor for the Charr or Asura. All they got is the 3 cult sets and the one dungeon set for Charr. Don't know about Asura dungeon armor yet. This is why people complain.

Also as a causal player I could go farm in GW1 for the few hours I got. You can't do that in GW2. You got to keep moving around, hoping there's a DE and hoping there is other people around to help you complete it.

You can't expect people to farm in this game. It fights against you and taxes you non stop. It's no problem for the players with nothing to do but game all day. But when you can only play for a hour or two a day it is a insane grind. Almost as bad as Legendary, expect those might be wroth it.

Edited by MeltyLotus, 04 December 2012 - 01:07 AM.

[farkov47]

Life is all about choice, MMO shouldn't be any different.
If it's too hard - don't do it. If it's too expensive - don't buy it.
Reducing the costs now would be a little unfair to those who actually played a lot just to wear it.

But yes, to call it anything than a simple gold sink (prestige, exclusivity blah blah) is irrelevant.

[Trei]

Kid, on 03 December 2012 - 10:31 AM, said:

Did I state it was exotic or something? I am fully aware it is "rare". I was saying instead of buying cultural armor, a person can spend on something far better.

It all depends if you really like the looks of the cultural sets that much.

An average player that's not into min-maxing every little thing would probably not find ascended gear all that attractive stats-wise if he is more into appearances and looking cool, unless he happens to prefer the looks of any new ascended gear over his previous favorite.

Edited by Trei, 04 December 2012 - 02:10 AM.

[Bloggi]

The appearance of some of the cultural armor is absolutely fab, IMHO. That is what will keep some folk working for it. I think it is pitiful to have rare stats on something that expensive, but as mentioned above, those who have the gold to afford armor like that generally would be doing dungeon runs. Their dungeon tokens would then also buy exotic gear and they can transmute the dungeon armor and cultural armor to get the look and stat combination they want. Problem then is the need for fine transmutation stones...that's more money to Anet.

The other thing that is 'expensive' for the stats is actually Order armor and weapons, but again the appearance of some of them is amazing. For me personally, appearance means a lot...more than stats, but everybody's opinion is going to differ on this. But part of the fun in this game has to do with designing your toon as you see fit. It's not for the sake of boasting, but for self-satisfaction. For a large proportion of the time, your own toon's butt features prominently in the camera's view. Might as well make it look good.

[Cobalt60]

Knuckledust13, on 12 November 2012 - 02:35 AM, said:

Im so tired of reading this. You never played GW1, don't talk like if you knew it. On GW1 Obsidian was a prestige armor because you had to grind and work for it, not just pay gold to a NPC and collect it.

Tier 3 cultural armor IS NOTHING like Obisidian from GW1. There it was an achievement, in GW2 it is a matter of seconds: just type your credit card in the gem exchange and buy it.

*ing clueless people.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL NOOB

I got my obsidian armour after going into FoW ONCE.

It was not an achievement.

I bought all the materials with gold. I got all my gold selling The Deathbringer when Nightfall first released. I farmed for 1 day and had over 1000k gold.

I had to do a couple of quests.

OH LOOK OBSIDIAN ARMOUR!!!!!!!

*ing clueless people.

Edited by Cobalt60, 04 December 2012 - 02:59 AM.

[Dasryn]

well considering that there are people posting pears and copper mining picks for 600g, im sure tier 3 cultural is not that hard to get.

im a level 48 right now and im sitting on 2g 12s and some change.  i plan on just leveling, then completing each zone and buying my grandmaster book.

when i hit 80, and i have all the zones completed and my grandmaster book purchased, i'll see how much money i have at that point.  i will then find a way to farm for cash, and honestly. . . i'll probably gem up the rest of what i need.  i can be content with the cultural armor.  

i want to get hardcore and go for that ascended gear, but honestly, my priorities have changed over the years and being the best doesnt really matter as much as just having fun anymore.

[Razuuli]

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100g for the total armor divided by 2g per 10 bucks....means i would have to buy 10 bucks worth 50 times....

aka 500 bucks for Tier 3 cultural armor

i don't know about you, but I think that is way too expensive

It costs 0$ if you take the time and earn the gold ingame. It's also totally optional.