[Vorsakan]

For anyone who hasn't heard yet:

Malchior Devenholm said:

Eric Flannum Q&A, August 22, 2010

Malchior's summary

Hall of Monuments-When you create your GW 2 account, you will link a GW 1 account to it. You will get an item to double-click to take you to your GW 2 HoM. You will get points for things you did in GW 1. With number of points, you unlock rewards in GW 2. A full HoM guide will be going up VERY SOON on the GW 2 website, with pictures and details of rewards. It does not take a full hall to receive rewards.

Super excited! :cool:

So in the days or weeks while we wait, I thought we could place our guesses on the points value of our precious trophies - purely for fun & bragging rights.

My guesses

Devotion

Starting with one of the simplest, I'm guessing a clean & simple:

*1 Point per common
*2 Points per uncommon
*3 Points per rare
*4 Points per unique

I definitely wouldn't predict acquisition method being a factor (e.g. competition prizes being worth extra), as extra rewards for the tiny minority who had wealth beyond imagining in GW1 seems kind of redundant.

I could see there being bonus point for completing birthday sets, but my instinct is there won't be; it'd really just be bonus points for specific uniques, since the rest of sets is easy to acquire by comparison.

I'll also go ahead and guess there'll be outcry over devotion having high point potential, and a flurry of miniature trading that week - public interest, power traders, people seeking last few points, people rage-selling. :D

Devotion

Hmm; armor remnants are unique rarity, but these trophies are just so easy to earn I cannot see points raining down like confetti...

(Changed my mind about keeping it simple - too much time to think!)

*1 Point: MOX, animal companion.
*2 Points: Nightfall hero, black moa, black widow.
*3 Points: Eye of the North hero, phoenix.

MOX & animal companion less because they really are effortless.
EotN heroes more because some of them are missable if you don't read outside the game, plus the armor upgrades are harder to earn than the lower NF ones (even though they are easy to buy now).
Phoenix more because - unlike the other pets of distinction - it has to be levelled before it can be recorded in the HoM.

Resilience

I'm inclined to believe more points per trophy for this one, even though there are a lot of armor sets in total - the requirements are so much greater than previous 2 monuments.

*3 Points: any set I don't single out...
*4 Points: factional armor (Kurzick, Luxon, Vanguard, norn, asura, silver eagle), Vabbian.
*5 Points: obsidian.

Got to believe obsidian armor will be in it's own points tier, while the factionals are the sets that take more than wealth to obtain (Vabbian I put at 4 points just because it takes a lot of said wealth).

Valor

Short & sweet:

*3 Points per destroyer weapon.
*4 Points per tormented weapon.

I don't think the relative costliness of armbraces should push the points value of tormented weapons any higher, given that there are 11 of them after all.

Honor

Hmm; this is going to be the messiest, surely?
In Anet's shoes, I'd be tempted to dodge the challenge by treating all the trophies exactly the same...
At a push, I'd set the average at 3 points and deduct 1 for the easiest few (e.g. Eternal Hero, Sorrow's Furnace), add 1 for the epic (e.g. Legendary Vanquisher, Master of the North) and add 2 for the craziest (e.g. Treasure Hunter, Legendary Defender of Ascalon).

Edited by Vorsakan, 22 August 2010 - 05:38 PM.

[raminus]

Oh My God, I didn't know anything about this! Thank you so very much for making me a happy bunny!!! :D

Vorsakan said:

For anyone who hasn't heard yet:
I could see there being bonus point for completing birthday sets, but my instinct is there won't be; it'd really just be bonus points for specific uniques, since the rest of sets is easy to acquire by comparison.

I'll also go ahead and guess there'll be outcry over devotion having high point potential, and a flurry of miniature trading that week - public interest, power traders, people seeking last few points, people rage-selling. :D

And I hope they give extensive rewards for completed birthday ranges. I have birthdays 1, 2 and 3 completed, with a total of around 60 minis in there :) They better have made going for minis instead of titles worth it!

[kupp]

I'm speculating their definition of "very soon". Two weeks, tops! :devil:

[Cornelius]

This news pleases me :D
I had hoped we'd get specific rewards for specific items too. After all the effort we put in for silly little things like black moa chicks^^.
Either way, i hope i have enough points for some kick-ass weapons.

[ilr]

...just converting farmable items into points looks abuseable. Reading that statement, it looks more like you only get points for the items on display and title ranks meaning there's a hard limit to how many 1 account can get.

[shanaeri rynale]

My Guess...
Each full tapestry=1 point
Plus 1 point for each KoBD level.

[Righteous]

Vorsakan said:

My guesses

Devotion

Starting with on of the simplest, I'm guessing a clean & simple:

*1 Point per common
*2 Points per uncommon
*3 Points per rare
*4 Points per unique

I am guessing rather MORE "clean and simple" than that:
*1 Point per common
*1 Point per uncommon
*1 Point per rare
*1 Point per unique

And a maximum of 20 points, since that's how many it takes to fill the monument.

I think people expecting extra points for rare mini's, more than 20 etc is wishful thinking on their part... they may have spent a lot of time and effort to collect them and therefore feel "entitled" to something extra for that.

It would be in my favour if it DOES turn out like the OP's suggestion, but for me it would come as a pleasant surprise... it's not something I am expecting.

This seems plausible to me too:

shanaeri rynale said:

My Guess...
Each full tapestry=1 point
Plus 1 point for each KoBD level.

Edited by Righteous, 22 August 2010 - 04:12 PM.

[Naconix]

I did year 1-4 complete collection, so hopefully it'll be worth it. IDK exactly how I feel about points atm.

[Chalky]

Title changed to encourage all HoM speculation to congregate in this thread.

[The Yog]

Wow this is totally unexpected for me. I was kinda expecting it to work the other way around- do stuff in guild wars 2 to unlock your gw1 achievements and items. Kinda dissapointed actually, but oh well, maybe I will bother doing some of those tedious titles if it means some half decent free stuff in GW2.

Still hope to god I can redeem my Vabbian armor.

[Lyssa]

Vorsakan said:

I definitely wouldn't predict acquisition method being a factor (e.g. competition prizes being worth extra), as extra rewards for the tiny minority who had wealth beyond imagining in GW1 seems kind of redundant.

I know i'm only saying this because I actually have one of these minis, but I really disagree with this.
The shire amount of time and effort it took me and others to get just one of these items has got to be worth something.
It would really really suck big time if I found that after so many hours working away to get something unique I couldnt take it with me into Gw2 where it would be appreciated.

If you do the math, there are about 3,913 dedicated people out there who have these items - and I doubt a single one would be happy to see their minipet devalued to a normal one.

My proposal for this would be a simple one. Anyone with a miscellaneous pet from this page would simply get that mini-pet back in Gw2. That would be more than enough to satisfy me!

Just my two cents.

Edited by Lyssa, 22 August 2010 - 04:18 PM.

[aspi]

raminus said:

Oh My God, I didn't know anything about this! Thank you so very much for making me a happy bunny!!! :D




And I hope they give extensive rewards for completed birthday ranges. I have birthdays 1, 2 and 3 completed, with a total of around 60 minis in there :) They better have made going for minis instead of titles worth it!

If they want people to get into gw1 for their HOM they wont do this. It is also completly unfair to people who are just beginners.

[demonic87]

Makes it all the more sad that I cant get my guild wars account because NCsoft support is the worst support iv ever had to deal with.

[ilr]

Oh sure, it should be worth something... but not on a 1:1 scale for the effort that went into it. Anet just doesn't believe in multiple times more work for results on a Diminishing return scale. It's a stated design philosophy of theirs -- it doesn't stop them from giving hardcores some little Aesthetic dragon to chase after all the reasonable goals have been met. But at the same time it can't be something so awesome that it appeals to normal people otherwise the grind-bitching swings into full force

[Woutman]

Why are people so upset about their pets possibly not being worth anything in GW2? No one ever promised you anything for them, so you're entitled to nothing.

[Own Age Myname]

Brilliant! Didn't know about this. I never thought of giving items "points" and then buy item with those points :). I just hope you can "sell" back your item for a full refund.

Edited by Own Age Myname, 22 August 2010 - 04:23 PM.

[Malchior Devenholm]

aspi said:

If they want people to get into gw1 for their HOM they wont do this. It is also completly unfair to people who are just beginners.

Awe come on...they could have awesome title awards, but a special award to 5-6 year players :)

[WinterSnowblind]

aspi said:

If they want people to get into gw1 for their HOM they wont do this. It is also completly unfair to people who are just beginners.

I don't see how it's any more unfair than having rewards for fully completing the HoM, etc. Personally, I think all the rewards should be kept to a minimum.. I'd be happy with a funny hat and a unique title.

No matter what, I think a lot of these rewards are going to turn off a lot of new GW2 players, especially if there are armour and weapons they cannot get.

[Lyssa]

Woutman said:

Why are people so upset about their pets possibly not being worth anything in GW2? No one ever promised you anything for them, so you're entitled to nothing.

So because people are shaken by the prospect that they wont get some kind of reward means that we think we're entitled to a reward?

..
..
Sure.

WinterSnowblind said:

I don't see how it's any more unfair than having rewards for fully completing the HoM, etc. Personally, I think all the rewards should be kept to a minimum.. I'd be happy with a funny hat and a unique title.

No matter what, I think a lot of these rewards are going to turn off a lot of new GW2 players, especially if there are armour and weapons they cannot get.

It'd only ever be skins and ''gimmicks.'' I dont think anyone is expecting more than that.

[The Narrator]

demonic87 said:

Makes it all the more sad that I cant get my guild wars account because NCsoft support is the worst support iv ever had to deal with.

I agree.
Worse then Mythic.

[Antiant]

aspi said:

If they want people to get into gw1 for their HOM they wont do this. It is also completly unfair to people who are just beginners.

beginners as in gw1 or gw2? because its totally fair from my point of view

[aspi]

Malchior Devenholm said:

Awe come on...they could have awesome title awards, but a special award to 5-6 year players :)

Nah, I do agree that some should get a special title. Lets say the first 100 to get the GWAMM title, back when it meant something. The first 100 to have done UW stuff like that. But I wont award them for just buying the game 5 years ago. (i'm a bit biased because I only started one year ago :P )

@ Antiant, people who are just beginning in GW1.

[Wothan]

The HoM reward probably wont give an big edge to the players.
Yes It will reward the loyalty of the prior player to their first game, a way to say "Thank you for spending so much time in GW1, now welcome to the real deal".

[Lyssa]

Lyssa said:

My proposal for this would be a simple one. Anyone with a miscellaneous pet from this page would simply get that mini-pet back in Gw2. That would be more than enough to satisfy me!

Just my two cents.

I'd just like to expand on this proposal a little bit.

I can understand why some people might not want there to be big flashy rewards for insanely difficult things like these minipets. It promotes a negative atmosphere when casual players see awesome stuff they couldnt possibly have.

However, these particular items are more status symbols. Does a mini yeti really look that awesome? Is it really worth 1000e+ to a casual player who doesnt know how rare it is?

Yeah... uhh just wanted to throw that out there.

[Car]

shanaeri rynale said:

My Guess...
Each full tapestry=1 point
Plus 1 point for each KoBD level.

That seems the most probable to me and is indeed what I'm going for.

I don't know how I feel about the mini collection because honestly, I just used the extra minis (after filling up the tapestry) on my other characters for their HoM.

Despite having a full HoM, I would be extremely upset if the reward/item that we receive in GW2 is anything BUT cosmetic in nature, such as additional armor or weapon skins.

[aspi]

Lyssa said:

I'd just like to expand on this proposal a little bit.

I can understand why some people might not want there to be big flashy rewards for insanely difficult things like these minipets. It promotes a negative atmosphere when casual players see awesome stuff they couldnt possibly have.

However, these particular items are more status symbols. Does a mini yeti really look that awesome? Is it really worth 1000e+ to a casual player who doesnt know how rare it is?

Yeah... uhh just wanted to throw that out there.

Most rare mini's are in the hands of powertraders or shadowform farmers. I don't think we should reward that to be honest.

[Own Age Myname]

Lyssa said:

I'd just like to expand on this proposal a little bit.

I can understand why some people might not want there to be big flashy rewards for insanely difficult things like these minipets. It promotes a negative atmosphere when casual players see awesome stuff they couldnt possibly have.

However, these particular items are more status symbols. Does a mini yeti really look that awesome? Is it really worth 1000e+ to a casual player who doesnt know how rare it is?

Yeah... uhh just wanted to throw that out there.

I really have no problem with it. But really, it's up to Anet. It's either they give points for each individual item, or they give points for each full monument.

[Kurpitsa]

Can't wait to hear how it goes.

[Fat Kids Lag IRL]

I hope we get a good amount of points for PvP titles!

[Vostroyan]

As i remember some where on an interviw don't remember with one where arena net stated that once this is reviled any new people that come in wont win thouths special rewords from gw1. Only people that have played for a long time will earn this things and can still contine to earn more thing if they feal like geting to keep compleating there HoM.