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#181 Volkon

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 08:41 PM

On my guardian, I have the Balthazar glove skin. I like it, got it at level 2 and have been t-stoning it on up to level 52 so far. I've had no issues whatsoever. Sometimes I only move the skin onto the higher stat gloves, sometimes I move the skin and the rune as well. Depends what I want. They're working flawlessly, I've received plenty from assorted means (chests for sure, got some from daily rewards and completions as well). It's a smooth, elegant system that works really well.

#182 Pariah

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 02:25 AM

View PostVolkon, on 14 November 2012 - 08:41 PM, said:

On my guardian, I have the Balthazar glove skin. I like it, got it at level 2 and have been t-stoning it on up to level 52 so far. I've had no issues whatsoever. Sometimes I only move the skin onto the higher stat gloves, sometimes I move the skin and the rune as well. Depends what I want. They're working flawlessly, I've received plenty from assorted means (chests for sure, got some from daily rewards and completions as well). It's a smooth, elegant system that works really well.
If you mean the Hall of Monuments skin, I hope you realize you can keep getting the skin from the NPC in the HoM all over again instead of having to use stones for keeping the skin :/

#183 Resolve

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 02:31 AM

I thought the system was fine. If the colour of the name of the item is an issue for you then good luck with the rest of the game lol.

#184 Gli

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 02:34 AM

Transmutation stones turned out to be mostly useless for me, apart from using them to occasionally transfer a rune or sigil when upgrading armor on characters not yet at level 80. There's hardly any equipment in this game that appeals to me at all. I've only used fine stones a few times to put simple, common skins over ghastly exotics that I couldn't bear to look at.

Edited by Gli, 15 November 2012 - 02:35 AM.


#185 Valkaire

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 04:13 AM

I like the transmutation stone system. It's worked perfectly fine for me through about 300 levels on all chars. My only beef with it is that when I transmute the stats up on a piece of cultural armor, it seems like it stops counting as being cultural armor for the achievement.

#186 Lucas Ashrock

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 04:21 AM

View PostGrandmaFunk, on 10 September 2012 - 04:54 PM, said:

I find the transmutation system is quite simple to understand and does exactly what I want and expect.

I don't really get what OP means by "losing the color"?

also, this might be cause by a simple confusion, the stones aren't just to apply a skin to an object but to combine the caracteristics of two objects.
Oh, guess you never ask to someone wearing a legendary why he kept that crappy stats he doesn't need. He will answer ya "Will not be purple anymore, amen, i go around with crappy stats but doing my show, reading some gz and wow " (For 1 minute, if even someone of the group care of it)

What would be cool is a preview window, yes. Nothing so important to even be developed but ye.
Ye, we all hate the mess of colors. Try using an exotic with green weapon skin, quite fun :)

Edited by Lucas Ashrock, 15 November 2012 - 04:23 AM.


#187 Soki

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 04:29 AM

View PostCursor, on 10 September 2012 - 04:53 PM, said:

So...you're asking for the transmogrificastion system from WoW?  But like, with stones instead of a vendor?
Yes.
Use Stones to extract the look of a piece of gear; and you can mask that over any item's look as much as you want - without destroying the item.

#188 Illein

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 09:47 AM

View PostSoki, on 15 November 2012 - 04:29 AM, said:

Yes.
Use Stones to extract the look of a piece of gear; and you can mask that over any item's look as much as you want - without destroying the item.

Now, that'd be my happy-place ;)

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 10:09 AM

View PostDrunkenMadKing, on 10 September 2012 - 04:56 PM, said:

My primary and highest complaint on Transmutation stones are this:

The skin easily reverts back to the old skin.  I have had several things that would keep the skin I wanted anything for 1-5 days only to have it revert back to the hated skin.  It still says transmuted.  So now I am out the skin and the stone....

I had a whisper rifle skin that I liked by buying it off the Trade post.  Now I can't find any of those skins and my rifle has reverted back to the hated blunderbuss skin.

I hate that skin but the gun had better stats.  Now I can't trust transmutation stones since not just 1 time by now 3 times the skin reverts back.   That is bull.  Lose money, stone, and skin with the system.

I have put in tickets on this but have heard nothing back nor do I expect I will.
I don't know for sure, but a while ago the devs announced that they repaired a bug that allowed orders items to be sold and worn by non-order players, so they fix it, I think is your case too, check the older posts.

The stones are good, the system will be great if the upgrade/rune is taken out of the ecuation and let combine only the stats/skin (2 items 2 things to transmute not 3)

- I mean  way to get out the rune w/o loosing the skin/stats
- OR when you break an item with Lions salvage kit to gain the Skin as an upgrade/separate item

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 10:15 AM

The system is comparatively better than in most MMOs so I don't mind personally. If they did revamp the system, however, I'd settle for nothing less than DC Universe's style system.

As for the stones themselves, they can be useful for transferring runes from one piece of gear to another. If you for instance want a full set of lyssa runes you can either pay 7.5 gold for them on the TP or you can buy 6 pieces of exotic armor from the Temple of Verdance for 250k karma and use 6 fine transmutation stones to transfer the runes from them onto your main set.

#191 SevereEpicz

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 10:24 AM

Its not even that bad, who cares if its not orange anymore? its not like anyones gonna notice since its now soulbound (pretty sure), the UI isnt confusing like some people say it is. Its like complaining that you dont like a pencil because the eraser on the end is red, not white... it still rubs stuff out even though its red

i'm a bit late on this argument.

Edited by SevereEpicz, 15 November 2012 - 10:26 AM.


#192 DoctorDyna

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 10:33 AM

Chop it up however you want, but as much distaste as I have for wow lately, their transmutation and void storage system is far superior. The idea of consuming the item on transmute is completely contrary to any type of collectability.

I liked being able to collect "looks" and apply them whenever I wanted for a reasonable amount of coin.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 10:52 AM

View PostDoctorDyna, on 15 November 2012 - 10:33 AM, said:

Chop it up however you want, but as much distaste as I have for wow lately, their transmutation and void storage system is far superior. The idea of consuming the item on transmute is completely contrary to any type of collectability.

I liked being able to collect "looks" and apply them whenever I wanted for a reasonable amount of coin.

No idea how WoW transmute goes, but LOTRO cosmetics are super awesome. Any armor you like can be applied to you regardless of armor type or class. Your gear could be a rainbow colored patchwork of crap and you can still display that awesome Gray Company armor everywhere. Try you can't do the same for weapons, but it could be done the same way.

Best part is, that cosmetic look doesn't destroy the original item, but creates a cosmetic double of itself on you which you can share across all characters.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 11:19 AM

i just wish some "in game" way to get fine transmutation stones... i have only 5, need way more! :(

PS: 1-79 are useless

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 11:36 AM

View PostFenice_86, on 15 November 2012 - 11:19 AM, said:

PS: 1-79 are useless

You mean the lower level stones are useless?  I beg to differ there.  I only have 1 level 80 character and she's in noble armor crafted by her.  I have 4 under level 80 and they are all in transmuted armor. We are an RP guild and we are all having the same armor and armor colors, so everyone who is involved in the RP is in transmuted armor.  ANet is making their money off me but I believe in supporting them since I only have to support them when I want and not every month.

Edited by sevalaricgirl, 15 November 2012 - 03:11 PM.


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Posted 15 November 2012 - 12:02 PM

i agree with the above poster that said the item that is being used for the skin should not be destroyed.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 12:58 PM

View PostPariah, on 15 November 2012 - 02:25 AM, said:

If you mean the Hall of Monuments skin, I hope you realize you can keep getting the skin from the NPC in the HoM all over again instead of having to use stones for keeping the skin :/

True, but I have plenty of stones and that's only one example of when I use them. Besides, they carry the runes over as well. When you're in WvW it's not always feasible to pop to the HoM anyhow when queues are up.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 01:37 PM

View PostFenice_86, on 15 November 2012 - 11:19 AM, said:

i just wish some "in game" way to get fine transmutation stones... i have only 5, need way more! :(
Grind either gold for gems for transmutation stones (200 gems for 5, that's ~ 2 gold) or make alts to redo the lvl10 storyline that gives a BL key; the chests have a small chance of droppping them (I got 3 stacks of 5 thus far).

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 01:43 PM

I have 68 stones from daily achievements

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 01:44 PM

View Postfr0st2k, on 10 September 2012 - 05:00 PM, said:

I disagree...the only thing the stone does is add the model of one item to the stats of another.  AKA: It changes the model.

By change color, i mean, it changes the rarity color of the sword.

For example. I used a stone with my pirate greatsword and my current weapon.  The pirate greatsword was a gold/yellow rarity, but when I used the stone, it reset to a normal blue (the color of the sword with the stats I wanted).

Suddenly, my neat pirate greatsword was reduced to a crappy blue, which can easily be sold.  And then i'd be down 10k karma.

How ANYONE sane could say this is a good system is beyond me.

The whole point of the system geared mainly for endgame... you're the genius who chose to put an exotic skin on a blue... what? you think just cuz you skin it, your blue is going to jump 3 rarity levels and become exotic?  No... The Trans system is for people to find their favorite in game armor set STAT WISE and then skin it with their favorite Armor model.  It's cosmetic, it's not supposed to increase your items economic viability.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 02:05 PM

View PostArquenya, on 15 November 2012 - 01:37 PM, said:

Grind either gold for gems for transmutation stones (200 gems for 5, that's ~ 2 gold) or make alts to redo the lvl10 storyline that gives a BL key; the chests have a small chance of droppping them (I got 3 stacks of 5 thus far).
uhuh lvl 10 for a BL key, did not even remember about that quest! Thx for the hint :)

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 02:12 PM

I would love to see the transmutation system change. The armor skin that I use on my 80 can only be received from the personal story and I can't put the look I want on more than one set of gear at a time. I would really enjoy being able to use it multiple times as a stored look.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 02:15 PM

The stones exist in the form that they do purely to get people to buy them from the cash shop. That's it.

There will never be a fully featured cosmetic system that lets you just swap things on the fly (Age of Conan was really good at this) because F2P/B2P games have to make you pay for features/convenience. Just the way it is.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 02:20 PM

OP you sound like such a big BABY! OMG, I'm not an advocate of such things generally, but really, your parents should have spanked you at least a couple of times to knock that horrible temper tantrum entitlement whine thing you've got going on right out of you.

I like the transmutation stones, they work exactly within my expectations. I get plenty of them for playing the game as it is intended to be played, I get to interchange the look, stats or runes of two items completely to my satisfaction, and since nobody can inspect me, the change in rarity of the item is a complete non-event.

Your suggestions would be fine if this was even remotely an issue for 99.9% of the people who play the game, but I suspect most give a toss just about as much as I do.

Now go up to your room and don't come down again until you can be a good little girl.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 02:29 PM

The item name will only change colors if you pick the stats of the lesser item

View PostBovinityCow, on 15 November 2012 - 02:15 PM, said:

The stones exist in the form that they do purely to get people to buy them from the cash shop. That's it.

There will never be a fully featured cosmetic system that lets you just swap things on the fly (Age of Conan was really good at this) because F2P/B2P games have to make you pay for features/convenience. Just the way it is.
you dont even need to by the fine ones from the gem store

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 02:44 PM

The transmutation stones are one of the best features of GW2, without it I would not play it. Used the minor and 80 stones a lot, especially because I hate late game fancy-spiky-biggy armor and weapons skins. Never had problems so far. I don't get the color problem, why should an item remain "green" or "blue" if you choose to take the look of it and the stats of an orange one? Which I did a lot. Lots of my armor is Lvl 20-30 blue and green skins merged with exotic armor for the stats. It's now all orange and it should be, I don't want to sell or destroy it by chance.

There could be a better system of course with more possibilities, but I don't need one.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 02:59 PM

I guess so.

This thread sounds like a lot of people that're happy to ride around on a tricycle only because they've never seen an actual adult bicycle before. If you've played another game with a real cosmetic/vanity system, you'd probably be a lot more disappointed with this one.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 03:18 PM

View PostBovinityCow, on 15 November 2012 - 02:59 PM, said:

I guess so.

This thread sounds like a lot of people that're happy to ride around on a tricycle only because they've never seen an actual adult bicycle before. If you've played another game with a real cosmetic/vanity system, you'd probably be a lot more disappointed with this one.

Are you paying 15.00 a month for the game?  No, then be happy with what they give you.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 03:50 PM

The OP made a mistake in their very first post by mentioning the item rarity/label color not working the way he thought, and making it sound like he doesn't understand how transmutation stones work.

He really should have said he wants a collection type system for skins, a lot like how there is a section in our bank for mini-pets, and left it at that.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 04:14 PM

View PostBovinityCow, on 15 November 2012 - 02:59 PM, said:

I guess so.

This thread sounds like a lot of people that're happy to ride around on a tricycle only because they've never seen an actual adult bicycle before. If you've played another game with a real cosmetic/vanity system, you'd probably be a lot more disappointed with this one.

I've played WoW and experienced the transmog system there. Thing is, I was paying 15bucks a month for WoW, as well as dishing out ~200bucks for all the expansions pre-panda. GW2 does not make me pay 15bucks a month on top of the $60-150, it's also not in it's 8th year of release so I don't and never expected transmutation to work like transmogrification.

Think of this. WoW only introduced transmogrification this past year. GW2 had it from the start.

Edited by Valkaire, 15 November 2012 - 04:15 PM.





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